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Poll: Voters Viewing Occupy Wall St. Unfavorably

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AdamT said:
Well, I never said that anyone had "too much", but if you took 100% of the assets of the wealthy it would obviously take care of the deficit immediately. If you take just the top 400 Americans you would net $1.4 trillion.
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Whatcha going to do next year, genius?
 
American said:
Whatcha going to do next year, genius?
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Well, each year we could bankrupt just enough citizens to cover the 3.5 trillion in spending ... we'd make it like 10 years, easy.
 
Keridan said:
Well, each year we could bankrupt just enough citizens to cover the 3.5 trillion in spending ... we'd make it like 10 years, easy.
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Well let's get on with it, and take the Chinese with us.
 
American said:
Whatcha going to do next year, genius?
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Never said we SHOULD take the wealth -- just correcting a mistatement ... genius.

What we should do, obviously, is roll back the Bush Tax cuts, which, all by itself, will exceed the deficit cutting goals proposed in Washtington. See, it is a revenue problem -- not a spending problem.
 
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AdamT said:
Well, I never said that anyone had "too much", but if you took 100% of the assets of the wealthy it would obviously take care of the deficit immediately. If you take just the top 400 Americans you would net $1.4 trillion.
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You didn't really think that out, did you?
 
Josie said:
You didn't really think that out, did you?
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It's not really open to argument. It's a fact.

Of course I don't think we should do that. How many times do I have to type that before you guys get a clue?
 
AdamT said:
Never said we SHOULD take the wealth -- just correcting a mistatement ... genius.

What we should do, obviously, is roll back the Bush Tax cuts, which, all by itself, will exceed the deficit cutting goals proposed in Washtington. See, it is a revenue problem -- not a spending problem.
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It is only a revenue problem for people who believe we need a 3.7 trillion dollar Federal Govt. Those would be the nanny state supporters and the radical left
 
Conservative said:
Makes you wonder why that would be? My bet is that the "rest of the story" isn't being covered by the media, this side of the story.

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The implication being that only you and your fellow true believers know the real information. I guess the rest of need to watch more FOX?
 
Conservative said:
It is only a revenue problem for people who believe we need a 3.7 trillion dollar Federal Govt. Those would be the nanny state supporters and the radical left
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Actually it would be the vast majority of Americans from both parties, who consistently say that they do not want to cut any of the major government programs.
 
haymarket said:
The implication being that only you and your fellow true believers know the real information. I guess the rest of need to watch more FOX?
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Don't recall that video being on Fox but do recall it being reported sparingly. I have been waiting for the real information from you for months now but all I get is the same tired old liberal rhetoric. When are you going to actually address the problems we face instead of fueling those problems? Some people simply cannot compete in the private sector thus get public sector jobs. Keeping them thus becomes the challenge and the more votes ou can buy the better the chances of keeping that job.
 
AdamT said:
Actually it would be the vast majority of Americans from both parties, who consistently say that they do not want to cut any of the major government programs.
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It doesn't appear to me that you know what makes up the U.S. Budget no matter how many times I post it. People have contributed their own money as have employers to Medicare and SS yet politicians have spent that money on programs other than Medicare and SS. Liberals like you then spin the results the way you want believing that people don't want to cut Govt. programs. The programs they don't want to cut are those that they contributed to. why then did you support Obamacare that cut 500 billion from Medicare? Why do you buy the liberal rhetoric without getting the facts?
 
Conservative said:
It doesn't appear to me that you know what makes up the U.S. Budget no matter how many times I post it. People have contributed their own money as have employers to Medicare and SS yet politicians have spent that money on programs other than Medicare and SS. Liberals like you then spin the results the way you want believing that people don't want to cut Govt. programs. The programs they don't want to cut are those that they contributed to. why then did you support Obamacare that cut 500 billion from Medicare? Why do you buy the liberal rhetoric without getting the facts?
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SS, Medicare, and military spending make up most of federal spending, and most Americans do not want significant spending cuts in any of those areas. Doesn't matter how you try to spin it. Those are the basic facts.
 
AdamT said:
Actually it would be the vast majority of Americans from both parties, who consistently say that they do not want to cut any of the major government programs.
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if the "vast majority of Americans from both parties" want continued government programs which they cannot afford pr pay for, and neither can their descendants by the way, then their fate is sealed. All the evidence is out there that these programs must fail, and it's in the process now, but if the majority of people don't realize that then their ignorance will be America's downfall.

I have confidence that despite the leftist goofiness we see on here, with the OWS, and in much of the media, the majority of the American people will try seriously to turn things around after the next election. That election, and it cannot be overstated, will determine whether America eventually succeeds or fails.
 
Grant said:
if the "vast majority of Americans from both parties" want continued government programs which they cannot afford pr pay for, and neither can their descendants by the way, then their fate is sealed. All the evidence is out there that these programs must fail, and it's in the process now, but if the majority of people don't realize that then their ignorance will be America's downfall.

I have confidence that despite the leftist goofiness we see on here, with the OWS, and in much of the media, the majority of the American people will try seriously to turn things around after the next election. That election, and it cannot be overstated, will determine whether America eventually succeeds or fails.
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Of course we can afford to pay for the the programs we want. It's just a matter of waking up and realizing that there's no free lunch.
 
AdamT said:
SS, Medicare, and military spending make up most of federal spending, and most Americans do not want significant spending cuts in any of those areas. Doesn't matter how you try to spin it. Those are the basic facts.
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The point seems to be something you don't understand, SS and Medicare have no business on the budget but they are. Do you have a problem contributing to SS and Medicare only to have that money spent on items other than SS amd Medicare? That is what happens when you put SS and Medicare on budget. I don't expect an honest answer from you on that question.
 
AdamT said:
Of course we can afford to pay for the the programs we want. It's just a matter of waking up and realizing that there's no free lunch.
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Of course you can?

Then why is the United States trillions of dollars in debt and counting?

If you can pay for these things why don't you?

The government can't even present a budget much less balance one.

I have no idea where you get your optimism but it certainly isn't based on any kind of reality.
 
Conservative said:
Don't recall that video being on Fox but do recall it being reported sparingly. I have been waiting for the real information from you for months now but all I get is the same tired old liberal rhetoric. When are you going to actually address the problems we face instead of fueling those problems? Some people simply cannot compete in the private sector thus get public sector jobs. Keeping them thus becomes the challenge and the more votes ou can buy the better the chances of keeping that job.
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How do your same old tired personal attacks on me give you any credibility on issues?
 
haymarket said:
How do your same old tired personal attacks on me give you any credibility on issues?
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Those so called personal attacks are rooted in reality. You live in that liberal dream world that doesn't recognize what that ideology is doing to personal responsibility as well as personal incentive. Liberal politicians keep their job by promising the world and delivering dependence. Your state is a disaster thanks to liberalism yet you fail to recognize that. Results speak for themselves. Name for me successful liberal results in Michigan?
 
haymarket said:
How do your same old tired personal attacks on me give you any credibility on issues?
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It didn't seem personal, Haymarket. He was just speaking the obvious.

The fact is that Liberalism has failed wherever it has taken hold and there is no denying that fact. Michigan is one example, certainly, but there are many others.

Thomas Sowell summed it all up very nicely.

"The world of reality has its problems, so it is understandable that some people want to escape to a different world, where you can talk lofty talk and forget about ugly realities like costs and repercussions. The world of reality is not nearly as lovely as the world of Liberal Land. No wonder so many people want to go there".

Unfortunately we are all ultimately stuck in Realityland and the sooner we all acknowledge that, if we are intellectually capable, the better.
 
Grant said:
Of course you can?

Then why is the United States trillions of dollars in debt and counting?

If you can pay for these things why don't you?

The government can't even present a budget much less balance one.

I have no idea where you get your optimism but it certainly isn't based on any kind of reality.
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Again, we simply have to wake up to reality. Reality is that we took a very bad turn when we elected George W. Bush and allowed him to slash tax rates. Reality is that we would actually be in decent shape even now if the Bush tax cuts had never been put in place. Reality is that we can still be in decent shape by doing nothing but rescinding the Bush tax cuts, which would reduce the deficit by over $5 trillion in the next 10 years. Of course we should also reduce spending.

The cause of our problem is so obvious it beggars the imagination that you can't see it. Take away the Republican tax cuts and the Republican war in Iraq and the world is much happier looking place.
 
AdamT said:
Again, we simply have to wake up to reality. Reality is that we took a very bad turn when we elected George W. Bush and allowed him to slash tax rates. Reality is that we would actually be in decent shape even now if the Bush tax cuts had never been put in place. Reality is that we can still be in decent shape by doing nothing but rescinding the Bush tax cuts, which would reduce the deficit by over $5 trillion in the next 10 years. Of course we should also reduce spending.

The cause of our problem is so obvious it beggars the imagination that you can't see it. Take away the Republican tax cuts and the Republican war in Iraq and the world is much happier looking place.
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At some point, people have to go back to work. You're not going to accomplish anything by just raising taxes, except insure that someone's ass gets voted out next year.
 
Grant said:
It didn't seem personal, Haymarket. He was just speaking the obvious.

The fact is that Liberalism has failed wherever it has taken hold and there is no denying that fact. Michigan is one example, certainly, but there are many others.

Thomas Sowell summed it all up very nicely.

"The world of reality has its problems, so it is understandable that some people want to escape to a different world, where you can talk lofty talk and forget about ugly realities like costs and repercussions. The world of reality is not nearly as lovely as the world of Liberal Land. No wonder so many people want to go there".

Unfortunately we are all ultimately stuck in Realityland and the sooner we all acknowledge that, if we are intellectually capable, the better.
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it is personal with him(conservative) grant...you consider it 'speaking the obvious' because you agree with his world view...who gets the final say as to what 'reality' is? you? conservative? thomas sowell? are you the only ones capable of determing reality? is it 'reality' because you agree with it?
 
AdamT said:
Actually it would be the vast majority of Americans from both parties, who consistently say that they do not want to cut any of the major government programs.
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I suppose that is where leadership comes in, doesn't it?

We and the former Soviet Union have the same problem...a largely ignored Constitution.
 
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