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Actually, class warfare is a common way for budding socialist regimes to rise to power. And the liberal left has been beating that drum for a long time....got your Che t-shirt on?


j-mac
No massively unequal power/wealth distrubtions have paved the way for socialists regimes.
 
It is irrelevant what he might come out and say if he lived in your world. The fact is that you claimed one thing about the reality of class warfare and a very wealthy rich American billionaire stands up and tells you that you do not know what you are talking about since he sees it and his side is waging it successfully against the working people.

That is the point.

I do not care what you care or do not care about. I do not care if you feel a need to call your ideological enemies silly names.

This is debate. It is enough for me that you were proven wrong.

If you expressing your innermost feelings and expressing them with name calling makes you feel better and heals your wounds from getting beat so badly on the actual issues being debated, that is your right.


Nice try. you proved nothing. Good God. if that is all one needs to prove something, or someone wrong is some shill that they agree with, then I would say you haven't won a debate yet.

j-mac
 
Ok, so what you are saying is in the method to track median incomes, and disparities.
I am not sure what your sentence means. I apologize for that. But, as such, I can't say one way or the other if that's what I am saying. I suspect it's not though.
I am pointing out that the phrase "income distribution" doesn't have to mean that income is centrally distributed any more than "age distribution" has to mean that age is centrally distributed or than "precipitation distribution" means all rain comes from the same cloud.
As such, there actually is such a thing as a distribution of income even though it was not distributed by a single entity.

So then tell me how would you plan to distribute income more fairly, taking for the moment that it doesn't involve any central planning?
I have no such plan. Not really interested in making one either.
 
Is Obama Marxist? Or is he a Nazi?
You're getting your stuff all mixed up.
You are so limited. I will try to keep your limitations in mind for future posts.

Obama is Marxist. His Brown Shirts (clear reference to Hitler's thugs) are the Occupy Wall Street crowd.

As organized labor gets more involved we will see greater levels of thuggery.

If you have difficulty in the future please bring it to my attention. I will gladly help you out now that I see your limitation.
 
Is there a difference other than degree of totalitarianism?


j-mac
Simon is asking a reasonable question given his clear inability to follow the relationship between one political leader's thugs (Hitler's) and the one term Marxist's (Obama's).

I think the simple move from one kind of politician to another confuses him. I plan to help hem when and where I can.
 
Of course you do. This sort of opinion is an excellent example of the attitude being pushed by the authoritatians of the libertarian right who beat their chests loudly and scream such cliche platitudes as LIBERTY and FREEDOM as their badge of honor. Sadly, they only believe in such words when they apply to themselves and only themselves. For their ideological enemies, they do a bad imitation of the Queen in Wonderland and repeat over and over and over again "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS".

The really nice thing about this OWS episode is that it completely and utterly exposed the man behind the right wing libertarian curtain as an old humbug. Long after it ends, we will still have the satisfaction of all of you exposing your true feelings on the FREEDOM issue. And that is very satisfying.

So let's see. I said "Personally I think a large number of arrests and prison time are appropriate." And you clearly disagree. I believe that people who are vandals, people who are arsonists, people who trespass on private property should pay the price. And you disagree. Noted.
 
Now thats sweet of you to say. Except he is the American capitalist personified and admits that his class has been waging war against the rest of us for a long time and they are winning. So you can call him any name in the book and invent some of your own - but, in the end, a billionaire admits to class warfare from the top down and that utterly obliterates your denial of the same concept.
He lies. You buy it. Got it.
 
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But we have already established that 2/3 of Americans agree with me on issues of concern about income distribution and the things that you claim do not exist or are not a problem.


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So try again when the facts are on your side. ;)
Class warfare works. It begins with income taxes, the progressive income taxes, the demonizing the successful, the claiming the top 1% don't pay their fair share...then Obama's Brown Shirts take to the street. And viola, if good people do nothing freedom is gone.
 
I'm sure all they want is that opportunity.

Really? You are sure they ALL want it? Remember when this started out and a reporter asked if an executive came out there right at that moment and offered them a job if they would take it, and they said NO!.....But you are sure right?



but you are sure....


j-mac
 
Class warfare works. It begins with income taxes, the progressive income taxes, the demonizing the successful, the claiming the top 1% don't pay their fair share...then Obama's Brown Shirts take to the street. And viola, if good people do nothing freedom is gone.

this post is so full of talking points it's going to get its own fox tv show.
 
Come on J-mac....it's pretty obvious to anybody that those guys are doing some form of counter protests to the occupy crowd which is why the lady comes up and points out that you can't feed a family on the majority of those adds.

The fact is, beyond partisan stunts like this (I can show you plenty of people going around making Tea Partiers look like idiots and racists) there are many more unemployed people than jobs in this country. Maybe if we had low unemployment rates you could make the argument that people just don't want to work. The fact is most people are stuck with part time jobs so the number of unemployed and underemployed is huge in this country.

You worked at a job and moved up the ranks. Cases like yours is what made this country great. The fact the new generation isn't experiencing that is a shame and you'd think you support them getting their opportunity.
 
this post is so full of talking points it's going to get its own fox tv show.
Cool. Whose talking points do you think they belong to?

And do you disagree with any of them. Or are you just typing...?
 
Things are markedly different than when I was younger. Mostly because we're in the midst a of a global economic crisis. Not joking.

When I was a younger man, the ratio of job seekers to jobs available remained pretty close to 1:1 and most people found a new job in less than 5 weeks. That's just not the case now. Last I looked, which wasn't that recently, the ratio is closer to 5:1 and it takes about 13 weeks for more than half of the seekers to have found a job. That's just one example of many.
Things aren't like they were when I was in my 20s and early 30s.

But, that why it's a crisis.
 
Cool. Whose talking points do you think they belong to?

And do you disagree with any of them. Or are you just typing...?

why, the republicans, of course. obama brown shirts? demonizing the successful? dems don't demonize the successful. we don't demonize the rich. just as tea partiers want tax reform, so do dems. i want the upper classes to pay a bit more, including cap gains at an earned income level, so we don't have to raise taxes on those who can least afford it. i want the ss limit on contributions raised.

none of that is demonizing anyone. there WILL be class warfare if the richest among us continue to treat their fellow citizens as chattel. when the middle class goes away, there will be hell to pay. at that point the great experiment that is our country will have failed.
 
Nice try. you proved nothing. Good God. if that is all one needs to prove something, or someone wrong is some shill that they agree with, then I would say you haven't won a debate yet.

j-mac

Actually its over and the lights were turned out but you were the only one left in the gym.

Again: you in post #31

Actually, class warfare is a common way for budding socialist regimes to rise to power. And the liberal left has been beating that drum for a long time....got your Che t-shirt on?

So your position is that class warfare is a common tactic of the left.

Warren Buffett, a rich billionaire capitalist loudly proclaims that the class warfare going on in America is waged by his class on the working class.

Sorry but that loud buzzer going BBBBBZZZZZTTTTT has two messages for you:
1) you failed to substantiate your personal opinion and I gave you evidence you were clearly wrong by a full 180 degrees in the opposite direction
2) its time to leave the gym so the janitor crew can clean up.
 
I stated this about class warfare in America


Now thats sweet of you to say. Except he is the American capitalist personified and admits that his class has been waging war against the rest of us for a long time and they are winning. So you can call him any name in the book and invent some of your own - but, in the end, a billionaire admits to class warfare from the top down and that utterly obliterates your denial of the same concept.

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He lies. You buy it. Got it.

So we here should take the word of.... you... over the word of an elite upper class billionaire who actually has benefitted personally and knows the insides and outs of this sytem far better than any common person ever would?

Sorry. Not gonna happen.

When it comes to knowing how to game the system through class warfare against the working man, the elite rich know it better than anybody and they have banks of evidence to prove it.

What do you have to support the opposite claim besides your own belief system?
 
Things are markedly different than when I was younger. Mostly because we're in the midst a of a global economic crisis. Not joking.

When I was a younger man, the ratio of job seekers to jobs available remained pretty close to 1:1 and most people found a new job in less than 5 weeks. That's just not the case now. Last I looked, which wasn't that recently, the ratio is closer to 5:1 and it takes about 13 weeks for more than half of the seekers to have found a job. That's just one example of many.
Things aren't like they were when I was in my 20s and early 30s.

But, that why it's a crisis.
Eliminate all government departments and agencies that are extra-constitutional. Eliminate nearly all of the 80,000 regulations that all businesses are burdened with. Cut the corporate tax rate to guarantee it is the lowest in the first world. Tar and feather the bureaucrats and run them out of polite society and there will be plenty of jobs. As we get closer to Europen-style Socialism (a very bad thing) we are getting the same results they get.
 
why, the republicans, of course. obama brown shirts? demonizing the successful? dems don't demonize the successful. we don't demonize the rich.
When you say "we" whom do you speak for? Democrats are all about punishing success and demonizing the rich. Of course the OWS crowds are the one term Marxist president Obama's Brown Shirts. When big labor and Big Education get involved one moves from Hitler's Brown Shirts to am more Communist oriented agitation and propaganda model.

just as tea partiers want tax reform, so do dems.
You really don't see the difference between a call for a return to constitutionally limited government and socialism? The TEA Party activists called for fiscally responsible government. Obama's Brown Shirts just have their hand out to government. And you cannot see the difference?

i want the upper classes to pay a bit more,
Why? Why not have the 47% who pay nothing pay their fair share? I get very angry over the greedy and cowardly 47% who ask the government to steal more of my money in their name. I know many who are the 47%. They made poor life choices. They partied instead of studied. They made bad health choices. They are fat. They are slovenly. And now they want me to work for them. It is disgusting.

including cap gains at an earned income level, so we don't have to raise taxes on those who can least afford it. i want the ss limit on contributions raised.
none of that is demonizing anyone. there WILL be class warfare if the richest among us continue to treat their fellow citizens as chattel. when the middle class goes away, there will be hell to pay. at that point the great experiment that is our country will have failed.
The people who can least afford it are the people who already pay most of the taxes. Get off your fat ass and start making better decisions.

But if you want a revolution just keep it up. You assuredly shall get one.
 
When you say "we" whom do you speak for? Democrats are all about punishing success and demonizing the rich. Of course the OWS crowds are the one term Marxist president Obama's Brown Shirts. When big labor and Big Education get involved one moves from Hitler's Brown Shirts to am more Communist oriented agitation and propaganda model.


You really don't see the difference between a call for a return to constitutionally limited government and socialism? The TEA Party activists called for fiscally responsible government. Obama's Brown Shirts just have their hand out to government. And you cannot see the difference?


Why? Why not have the 47% who pay nothing pay their fair share? I get very angry over the greedy and cowardly 47% who ask the government to steal more of my money in their name. I know many who are the 47%. They made poor life choices. They partied instead of studied. They made bad health choices. They are fat. They are slovenly. And now they want me to work for them. It is disgusting.


The people who can least afford it are the people who already pay most of the taxes. Get off your fat ass and start making better decisions.

But if you want a revolution just keep it up. You assuredly shall get one.
ACtually those 47% you talk about do pay taxes. They have to pay fica as well as state and local taxes. They also make under 20,000 so taxing them more would be inherently evil. I think that the rich, excuse my language, "job creators" have been getting a free ride for too long. Time to pay up.
 
Ah, the last sign that OWS is on the ropes, and about to devolve. The WWJD argument.


j-mac
Actually thats one of the most comical sure signs that a died in the wool liberal has nothing...THEN they suddenly find Jesus. Not unlike the "hey...we support our troops too" argument.

Now if only that moronic segment of the '99%' (less than 30, and really...we know who they are. We know who they will vote for. We know who they have ALWAYS voted for regardless of the fact that they have been getting done dirty by that big banker money, union money, etc-0but hey...the core of this IS a protest against influence peddling with politicians, RIGHT?) that are out there preaching against the 1% were, as the very clever cartoon implied, actually creating jobs and wealth...now THEN we would be on to something, wouldnt we? Nah...why **** up a perfectly good mindless protest with 'thought'.
 
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