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ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents...

pbrauer said:
Sorry, but the government is not on Wall Street.
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Oh yes it is. Government pensions are heavily invested in mutual funds and stocks, when the market takes a hit so does a pension plan. There are plenty of financial regulatory agents in that area all day. And what do you think the stimulus was? That's right, some of that money did in fact get put into those Wall St. companies.
 
apdst said:
I don't! :lamo

The lamesstream media is going to ignore this story for as long as they can. CNN and PMSNBC are supporteres of the occupiers and foaming at the mouth, waiting for a KIA, so they can blow things up.
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Actually, if you wanna see some stuff that the lamstream media is actually ignoring, look up the ethnic cleansing of black Africans that is occurring at the hands of the Libyan rebels. Look at the effects of the Libyan "intervention" and how it coincides with US/Western interests.

The media as a whole has demonized the OWS movement as it threatens the status quo.
 
apdst said:
ACORN is a non-profit. Non-profits are prohibited from participating in partisan political activity. Their tax exemption isn't protected by the 1st Amendment
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Schedule C, page 2 of the Form 990 says otherwise. Please refrain from discussing topics you do not understand.
 
apdst said:
Not according to the OWS'ers. And, they're not just protesting Wall Street, either.
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Well, they're not in Washington, are they? Of course they're protesting Wall Street. That's why it's called "Occupy Wall Street".

They aren't supporting or opposing a political candidate or party. It isn't a political rally.
 
LaMidRighter said:
So is MSNBC, so is CNN, NBC got pinged hard by viewers over the last couple of years for exposed biases, CBS and Rathergate, ABC is full of partisan libs. So if you don't trust FOX I guess you can't trust any of them because they do a mirror version of the exact same thing.
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MSNBC is the liberal equivalent of Fox and I agree that it's not a neutral source. I don't think any liberal would claim otherwise -- including the hosts on MSNBC. That's the distinction. Liberals know the difference between partisan commentary and actual news. Conservatives seem to think that anything that isn't wildly slanted to the right is illegitimate.
 
AdamT said:
MSNBC is the liberal equivalent of Fox and I agree that it's not a neutral source. I don't think any liberal would claim otherwise -- including the hosts on MSNBC. That's the distinction. Liberals know the difference between partisan commentary and actual news. Conservatives seem to think that anything that isn't wildly slanted to the right is illegitimate.
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The truth is never left nor right, it is just the truth.

Was the Fox report true or wasn't it? That's all we need to know.
 
AdamT said:
Well, they're not in Washington, are they? Of course they're protesting Wall Street. That's why it's called "Occupy Wall Street".

They aren't supporting or opposing a political candidate or party. It isn't a political rally.
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So, now a political rally can oly be a political rally, if it's in D.C.?
 
obvious Child said:
Schedule C, page 2 of the Form 990 says otherwise. Please refrain from discussing topics you do not understand.
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Post it for us and explain how it works. Thanks in advance.
 
apdst said:
So, now a political rally can oly be a political rally, if it's in D.C.?
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Well, that would be one indication. But of course the main criterion is that it has to support a candidate or party -- which of course OWS does not.
 
apdst said:
Post it for us and explain how it works. Thanks in advance.
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www.irs.gov/pub/irs-dft/f990sc--dft.pdf



Non-profits are allowed to engage in some politically lobbying dependent upon their total expenditures. Essentially, the bigger the organization's exempted program expenditures, the more they can spend on lobbying. Your view that they cannot at all is flat up wrong. There are certain political lobbying acts that they are barred from, but they are not barred from all political lobbying.

Please stop discussing topics you do not understand.
 
Grant said:
The truth is never left nor right, it is just the truth.

Was the Fox report true or wasn't it? That's all we need to know.
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Of course the report is false on its face, as there is no longer an organization called ACORN. From the headline down, the story is a lie -- like so much of Fox's "news". Fox relied on an unnamed source and the story has been denied by NYCC. That's all there is to it.

It's no secret that Fox has had a hard on for ACORN for years, and it's no secret why -- ACORN was very good at registering low income voters, and low income voters tend to vote for Democrats. Recall, Fox is an arm of the Republican Party.
 
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AdamT said:
MSNBC is the liberal equivalent of Fox and I agree that it's not a neutral source. I don't think any liberal would claim otherwise -- including the hosts on MSNBC. That's the distinction. Liberals know the difference between partisan commentary and actual news. Conservatives seem to think that anything that isn't wildly slanted to the right is illegitimate.
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Sorry Adam, there is no way in hell MSNBC is the liberal equivalent of Fox. Sure MSNBC leans left, but Fox News is the extension of the Republican party; for starters Fox is run by Roger Ailes who was Republican operative during the Nixon Bush 41 years and was involved with Lee Atwater creating the racist Willie Horton ad in the 1988 presidential election. Fox previews all the Republican candidates they like; you'll never see that on MSNBC.

Fox News = Republican Party
 
AdamT said:
Of course the report is false on its face, as there is no longer an organization called ACORN. From the headline down, the story is a lie -- like so much of Fox's "news". Fox relied on an unnamed source and the story has been denied by NYCC. That's all there is to it.

It's no secret that Fox has had a hard on for ACORN for years, and it's no secret why -- ACORN was very good at registering low income voters, and low income voters tend to vote for Democrats. Recall, Fox is an arm of the Republican Party.
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You have evidence that the story is a lie. Yes?
 
pbrauer said:
Sorry Adam, there is no way in hell MSNBC is the liberal equivalent of Fox. Sure MSNBC leans left, but Fox News is the extension of the Republican party; for starters Fox is run by Roger Ailes who was Republican operative during the Nixon Bush 41 years and was involved with Lee Atwater creating the racist Willie Horton ad in the 1988 presidential election. Fox previews all the Republican candidates they like; you'll never see that on MSNBC.

Fox News = Republican Party
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How was the Willie Horton ad racist?
 
apdst said:
You have evidence that the story is a lie. Yes?
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It is a fact that ACORN does not exist, thus the story is a lie. It is also a fact that the only support for the claims in the story come from an unnamed source, and it is a fact that the claims have been categorically denied.
 
AdamT said:
It is a fact that ACORN does not exist, thus the story is a lie. It is also a fact that the only support for the claims in the story come from an unnamed source, and it is a fact that the claims have been categorically denied.
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Ok, now, any news report that uses an un-named source is a lie? :lamo

And, since when has ACORN been dissolved?
 
pbrauer said:
Sorry Adam, there is no way in hell MSNBC is the liberal equivalent of Fox. Sure MSNBC leans left, but Fox News is the extension of the Republican party; for starters Fox is run by Roger Ailes who was Republican operative during the Nixon Bush 41 years and was involved with Lee Atwater creating the racist Willie Horton ad in the 1988 presidential election. Fox previews all the Republican candidates they like; you'll never see that on MSNBC.

Fox News = Republican Party
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Well, it's hard to say with precision which is more biased, but it's clear that they both are. Neither can be considered a neutral source.

And of course there's nothing wrong that! As long as one recognizes that it's advocacy and not news. That's where conservatives run off the tracks. They actually seem to believe that grossly slanted right wing rhetoric is the baseline, and anything that isn't slanted to the far right is biased. It's bizarre and dangerous.
 
apdst said:
Ok, now, any news report that uses an un-named source is a lie? :lamo

And, since when has ACORN been dissolved?
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You're defending the story and you didn't even know that ACORN filed Chapter 7 almost a year ago to the day? :2rofll:

Thus the story is a lie.

The fact that the story relies entirely on an unnamed source simply means that it is dubious at best.
 
AdamT said:
You're defending the story and you didn't even know that ACORN filed Chapter 7 almost a year ago to the day? :2rofll:

Thus the story is a lie.

The fact that the story relies entirely on an unnamed source simply means that it is dubious at best.
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Perhaps you should actually read the article, first.

From the first parapgraph:

Officials with the revamped ACORN office in New York -- operating as New York Communities for Change -- have fired staff, shredded reams of

Read more: ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers And Shredding Documents, After Exposed As Players Behind Occupy Wall Street Protests | Fox News
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» BREAKING: ‘New’ ACORN Groups Join SEIU

Based on that, saying ACORN is behind this is like saying that Arthur Anderson is still around merely because it associated affiliates are still alive. It's not entirely honest to say that ACORN isn't entirely behind this as elements that once composed it are indeed behind, but at the same time it's not entirely honest to say that ACORN is behind this merely because associated affiliates are.
 
LaMidRighter said:
So has Dan Rather at CBS, CNN has presented some obvious bull****, Jambalaya is right, they all do it. The Fox news hatred is the stupidest thing I've ever seen, they are a center right version of the news practice, the other organizations do the exact same thing.
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CBS fired Rather. FOX News, on the other hand, rewards it's liars.
 
obvious Child said:
» BREAKING: ‘New’ ACORN Groups Join SEIU

Based on that, saying ACORN is behind this is like saying that Arthur Anderson is still around merely because it associated affiliates are still alive. It's not entirely honest to say that ACORN isn't entirely behind this as elements that once composed it are indeed behind, but at the same time it's not entirely honest to say that ACORN is behind this merely because associated affiliates are.
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Maybe from a more 'Liberal news source' it will be more 'acceptable':

Calls to Acorn’s New York City offices, for example, are now met with a recording that says: “Acorn is not providing services in New York. If you’re interested in hearing from local organizations with similar purposes, please press zero.”

The New York chapter has been replaced by a new group, called New York Communities for Change, whose Web site promotes many of Acorn’s goals and many of whose staff and community members are the same.

Acorn on Brink of Bankruptcy, Officials Say - NYTimes.com
 
AdamT said:
You're defending the story and you didn't even know that ACORN filed Chapter 7 almost a year ago to the day? :2rofll:

Thus the story is a lie.

The fact that the story relies entirely on an unnamed source simply means that it is dubious at best.
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I didn't know Chapter 7 filing requires the liquidation of people. Are you saying all of the clowns that used to work for ACORN are dead? Could it be all of those clowns have simply moved to another bogus not-for-profit and are back doing the exact same thing they did at ACORN? Call it whatever name you want, its the same thugs that used to be at ACORN.
 
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