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Former Marine's injury spurs vets to join Occupy movement

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Theres a bond between combat veterans that cannot be broken...

My heart is torn in two directions...as a cop and as a veteran...I have remained silent because I just dont know all the facts...but If I knew them..I would certainly take the side of who I thought was right....I just dont know at this point.

Former Marine's injury spurs vets to join Occupy movement

One last thought to USATODAY...there is no such thing as a "FORMER" marine.
 
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I have tremendous respect for US Marines, believe me I do.

But this is a dumb reason to join a particular movement. You join OWS perhaps because you agree with the message or sympathize with their cause, not because your friend/fellow Marine got hurt and you're mad at the cops who may or may not have overreacted.
 
The OWS marches are...by their nature...volatile situations. They are mob actions. I'm surprised any Vet would be stupid enough to become part of the mob...given their experience with order and control in chaotic situations. But, hey...Vets can be stupid just like any other people, I guess.

As a Vet, I certainly won't place myself in a stupid, dangerous situation just because some other idiot Vet did the same. Perhaps those "Veterans of the 99%" would be better served marching to the hospital and telling Olsen what a dumbass he is.
 
Mycroft said:
The OWS marches are...by their nature...volatile situations. They are mob actions. I'm surprised any Vet would be stupid enough to become part of the mob...given their experience with order and control in chaotic situations. But, hey...Vets can be stupid just like any other people, I guess.

As a Vet, I certainly won't place myself in a stupid, dangerous situation just because some other idiot Vet did the same. Perhaps those "Veterans of the 99%" would be better served marching to the hospital and telling Olsen what a dumbass he is.
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I think you're generalizing based on the events that have garnered media coverage. Certainly many of them are, but I wouldn't conclude that it is characteristic of the movement as a whole.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I think you're generalizing based on the events that have garnered media coverage. Certainly many of them are, but I wouldn't conclude that it is characteristic of the movement as a whole.
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Nope...not generalizing.

If I were inclined to be a part of a protest, as soon as the idiots around me started acting foolish, I'd get myself out of there. There's no reason to be a part of a conflict with the police when they have the guns and gas.

Now, I have nothing against "Veterans of the 99%" marching if they believe whatever they are marching for...but marching for a dumbass Vet is a dumbass idea.
 
lpast said:
Theres a bond between combat veterans that cannot be broken...

My heart is torn in two directions...as a cop and as a veteran...I have remained silent because I just dont know all the facts...but If I knew them..I would certainly take the side of who I thought was right....I just dont know at this point.

Former Marine's injury spurs vets to join Occupy movement

One last thought to USATODAY...there is no such thing as a "FORMER" marine.
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not even one that was administratively discharged other than honorably for Cocaine use, who held the Marines in high contempt up until his injury? Really?



furthermore IVAW is no news story, it's sort of misleading, the title, and the article here. not to say Veterans are not involved, But I don't see the VFW or the Legion lending thier support. I think the article is not fully honest.

Wow IVAW and a couple vietnam vets joined #ows..... This is not news and nothing like the thread title is implying. It's a propaganda piece.
 
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There are no former Marines.
 
lpast said:
Theres a bond between combat veterans that cannot be broken...

My heart is torn in two directions...as a cop and as a veteran...I have remained silent because I just dont know all the facts...but If I knew them..I would certainly take the side of who I thought was right....I just dont know at this point.

Former Marine's injury spurs vets to join Occupy movement

One last thought to USATODAY...there is no such thing as a "FORMER" marine.
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Take the side of the peaceful protesters. That's the side to take. Protesting is all we've got left. Though they're a rag-tag bunch with many different agendas...even though some small groups of them choose to break the law...even though they're a pain in the neck to the city of NY and the other cities that have have joined them...it's a sacred right. They are to be applauded for what they're doing. They're freezing their butts off, they've given up creature comforts -- to make a statement. And however misguided some of us believe they are, they're practicing democracy at its finest. For the most part, we should be proud of them.
 
MaggieD said:
Take the side of the peaceful protesters. That's the side to take. Protesting is all we've got left. Though they're a rag-tag bunch with many different agendas...even though some small groups of them choose to break the law...even though they're a pain in the neck to the city of NY and the other cities that have have joined them...it's a sacred right. They are to be applauded for what they're doing. They're freezing their butts off, they've given up creature comforts -- to make a statement. And however misguided some of us believe they are, they're practicing democracy at its finest. For the most part, we should be proud of them.
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Sorry, dude...but I'm not proud of useful idiots.
 
MaggieD said:
Take the side of the peaceful protesters. That's the side to take. Protesting is all we've got left. Though they're a rag-tag bunch with many different agendas...even though some small groups of them choose to break the law...even though they're a pain in the neck to the city of NY and the other cities that have have joined them...it's a sacred right. They are to be applauded for what they're doing. They're freezing their butts off, they've given up creature comforts -- to make a statement. And however misguided some of us believe they are, they're practicing democracy at its finest. For the most part, we should be proud of them.
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Well said Maggie. Glad to see you on the right side on this.

You will not see me camping out in protest although I agree with much of their concerns. My idea of roughing it is having to stay in a hotel that does not come with a room with a two person jacuzzi.
 
lpast said:
Theres a bond between combat veterans that cannot be broken...

My heart is torn in two directions...as a cop and as a veteran...I have remained silent because I just dont know all the facts...but If I knew them..I would certainly take the side of who I thought was right....I just dont know at this point.

Former Marine's injury spurs vets to join Occupy movement

One last thought to USATODAY...there is no such thing as a "FORMER" marine.
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This has to be the stupidest line of thought I have ever seen. Oh...hey...sure the guy was a douchebag...but he was a former marine...I must join their cause. Morons. Being a vet doesnt entitle anyone to special status. Get pulled over by the cops...hey...free pass...sorry dood...didnt know you were a vet. DUI? Hey...no problem...drive safe there chief...sorry...if i'd known you were a vet would have never pulled you over. Whooops...my bad.

News flash. Police officers are employed by the citizens and DEployed by the city officials to maintain law and order. In Oakland, police officers were sent by the Oakland mayor to keep protesters out of a park. Instead of peacefully respecting the police officers, there to do their job, some ****heads in the protest movement started throwing rocks and bottles at the cops. Instead of backing away as directed, douchebag in question advanced on the police lines and was caught in the dome. Did he git hit because he was a vet/ No. Did he get hit because the cops hate the military? No. He got hit because he was a douchebag, advanced on a police line, and got caught in the crossfire when his fellow douchebags started pelting cops with rocks and bottles.

Thats one hell of a reason to join a cause. Morons.
 
Mycroft said:
The OWS marches are...by their nature...volatile situations. They are mob actions. I'm surprised any Vet would be stupid enough to become part of the mob...given their experience with order and control in chaotic situations. But, hey...Vets can be stupid just like any other people, I guess.

As a Vet, I certainly won't place myself in a stupid, dangerous situation just because some other idiot Vet did the same. Perhaps those "Veterans of the 99%" would be better served marching to the hospital and telling Olsen what a dumbass he is.
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I see, and the Tea Party protests of the past were not mob actions, right?
 
MaggieD said:
Take the side of the peaceful protesters. That's the side to take. Protesting is all we've got left. Though they're a rag-tag bunch with many different agendas...even though some small groups of them choose to break the law...even though they're a pain in the neck to the city of NY and the other cities that have have joined them...it's a sacred right. They are to be applauded for what they're doing. They're freezing their butts off, they've given up creature comforts -- to make a statement. And however misguided some of us believe they are, they're practicing democracy at its finest. For the most part, we should be proud of them.
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Well said, and the same goes for the Tea Party protesters too. I might disagree with the Tea Party, but I support their right to protest, just as I now support OWS. The right to protest is one of the reasons that America is the greatest nation in the world.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Being a former marine does not absolve you from following a lawful order.
The city said clear the tents and no overnight camping, not no protesting.
They didn't comply.
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I disagree. If those laws were passed in order to discourage protest, then it is the duty of Americans to disobey that law, just as they disobeyed "whites only laws" in the 1960's.
 
danarhea said:
I disagree. If those laws were passed in order to discourage protest, then it is the duty of Americans to disobey that law, just as they disobeyed "whites only laws" in the 1960's.
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That wasn't the issue.

1st, they were occupying a public park, which prevents other members of the public from using it.
OWS people are not more entitled to a public park, than anyone else.

2, there were reports of crime, that were insulated from the police.
Allowing crimes to occur without intervention from the police, is a danger to the public.

3, the sanitary conditions of the park were in question.

4, they were not being barred from protesting.
They were barred from protesting after the park closed and when they had permanent encampments.

Not even remotely comparable to the white only laws protests.
It's really insulting to compare these 2 distinctly different events in history.
 
danarhea said:
I see, and the Tea Party protests of the past were not mob actions, right?
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You got any videos of the Tea Party clashing with the police? Any rubber bullets? Flash bangs?
 
StillBallin75 said:
I have tremendous respect for US Marines, believe me I do.

But this is a dumb reason to join a particular movement. You join OWS perhaps because you agree with the message or sympathize with their cause, not because your friend/fellow Marine got hurt and you're mad at the cops who may or may not have overreacted.
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These guys probably served in Company Q.
 
danarhea said:
I see, and the Tea Party protests of the past were not mob actions, right?
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I haven't heard of any Tea Party groups attacking police with rocks and bottles.

Source?
 
VanceMack said:
This has to be the stupidest line of thought I have ever seen. Oh...hey...sure the guy was a douchebag...but he was a former marine...I must join their cause. Morons. Being a vet doesnt entitle anyone to special status. Get pulled over by the cops...hey...free pass...sorry dood...didnt know you were a vet. DUI? Hey...no problem...drive safe there chief...sorry...if i'd known you were a vet would have never pulled you over. Whooops...my bad.

News flash. Police officers are employed by the citizens and DEployed by the city officials to maintain law and order. In Oakland, police officers were sent by the Oakland mayor to keep protesters out of a park. Instead of peacefully respecting the police officers, there to do their job, some ****heads in the protest movement started throwing rocks and bottles at the cops. Instead of backing away as directed, douchebag in question advanced on the police lines and was caught in the dome. Did he git hit because he was a vet/ No. Did he get hit because the cops hate the military? No. He got hit because he was a douchebag, advanced on a police line, and got caught in the crossfire when his fellow douchebags started pelting cops with rocks and bottles.

Thats one hell of a reason to join a cause. Morons.
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You cant read can you vance...go read my post again..
 
lpast said:
You cant read can you vance...go read my post again..
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I can read. And did. The article. You know...the one YOU cited. The one with a bunch of morons thinking they should join OWS because of the douchebag cocaine addict that was in the marines for awhile. Did YOU read the article?
 
If this is the sole reason spurring vets to run to this "movement," I sure hope they do some background research on this kid. Clearly not an upstanding service member and held disdain for the Corps. From the Marines I know, honoring the Corps, even after you no longer wear the uniform is still pretty damned important.
 
Fishstyx said:
If this is the sole reason spurring vets to run to this "movement," I sure hope they do some background research on this kid. Clearly not an upstanding service member and held disdain for the Corps. From the Marines I know, honoring the Corps, even after you no longer wear the uniform is still pretty damned important.
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Other than honorable discharge for cocaine use.

Disdain for the corps

"ihatethemarines" blogger


and the left wants to shove him down our throat as one of us? i don't think so.
 
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