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Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

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OscarB63 said:
then he is guilty of creating a hostile work environment....NOT sexual harassment. sexual harassment is a very specific charge. I don't see why this is so hard to understand. I think you are under the misimpression that I am excusing such behavior. I am not, it just isn't harassment
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Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination that violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature constitutes sexual harassment when submission to or rejection of this conduct explicitly or implicitly affects an individual's employment, unreasonably interferes with an individual's work performance or creates an intimidating, hostile or offensive work environment.
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You give that impression Oscar, especially in the face of multiple explanations of what constitutes sexual harassment, which makes me wonder why is it so hard for you to understand. Why do you think it is a defensible position to say, he only did it once. If you think she has to wait for him to do it again, you are suggesting she has to tolerate it until then, or forever if he doesn't. You have set that threshold.
 
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OscarB63 said:
then he is guilty of creating a hostile work environment....NOT sexual harassment. sexual harassment is a very specific charge. I don't see why this is so hard to understand. I think you are under the misimpression that I am excusing such behavior. I am not, it just isn't harassment
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Hostile work environment IS an element of sexual harassment. The legal definition: “unwelcome verbal, visual, or physical conduct of a sexual nature that is severe or pervasive and affects working conditions or creates a hostile work environment.”
 
Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

OscarB63 said:
then he is guilty of creating a hostile work environment....NOT sexual harassment. sexual harassment is a very specific charge. I don't see why this is so hard to understand. I think you are under the misimpression that I am excusing such behavior. I am not, it just isn't harassment

AdamT said:
Hostile work environment IS an element of sexual harassment. The legal definition: “unwelcome verbal, visual, or physical conduct of a sexual nature that is severe or pervasive and affects working conditions or creates a hostile work environment.”
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Ouch! That one's gonna leave a bruise. :lol:
 
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whysoserious said:
Conservatives' are doing a lot of 'smelling' right now. You do not have to smell anything: Cain is innocent until proven guilty of any new charges, however, any previous suits that he settled in are admissions of guilt.
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no
not unless the settlement agreement stipulated to his guilt. usually, the settlement agreement will assert that there was no finding of wrongdoing. that's what the defending party is buying with its money ... that and an expectation of confidentiality
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Are you lost? This thread, "Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story," is about one of the accusers who filed a complaint against Cain and said she wanted to go public with her story.
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perhaps, for once, you are correct. I thought we were just talking about the most recent incident to come to light. not the previous cases where they settled. my apologies
 
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AdamT said:
Hostile work environment IS an element of sexual harassment. The legal definition: “unwelcome verbal, visual, or physical conduct of a sexual nature that is severe or pervasive and affects working conditions or creates a hostile work environment.”
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so you cannot create a hostile work environment without being guilty of sexual harassment???? whoda thunk it
 
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OscarB63 said:
perhaps, for once, you are correct. I thought we were just talking about the most recent incident to come to light. not the previous cases where they settled. my apologies
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No worries, politics is like war but without the casualties.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Ouch! That one's gonna leave a bruise. :lol:
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really? you have yet to show any evidence whatsoever that any of these definitions apply to Cain's actions :lamo
 
Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

OscarB63 said:
so you cannot create a hostile work environment without being guilty of sexual harassment???? whoda thunk it
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Lay off the strawmen, they're high in calories.
 
Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

OscarB63 said:
so you cannot create a hostile work environment without being guilty of sexual harassment???? whoda thunk it
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Not when the work environment is hostile because of sexual advances, nicknames, et al. It's not that difficult of a ****ing concept to grasp, so I know you get it. Quit dancing around it. It's not that big of a deal.
 
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what's funny is that libbies are trying nearly as hard to prove Cain is guilty of SH as they did to try to prove Clinton was not.

how is what Cain allegedly did any worse than what Clinton did?
 
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whysoserious said:
Not when the work environment is hostile because of sexual advances, nicknames, et al. It's not that difficult of a ****ing concept to grasp, so I know you get it. Quit dancing around it. It's not that big of a deal.
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note your use of plurals :lamo
 
Re: Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

OscarB63 said:
really? you have yet to show any evidence whatsoever that any of these definitions apply to Cain's actions :lamo
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Umm, you posted the charges of sexual harassment against Cain may be from creating a "hostile work environment" and not sexual harassment when Adam was gracious enough to inform you that a "hostile work environment" can be an element of sexual harassment.

Is it possible you don't even realize you're being bitch-slapped?
 
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OscarB63 said:
what's funny is that libbies are trying nearly as hard to prove Cain is guilty of SH as they did to try to prove Clinton was not.

how is what Cain allegedly did any worse than what Clinton did?
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I'm not trying to prove he's guilty of sexual harassment. I've even said the first 3 charges don't count until we learn the details and the 4th one was a "disgusting" political hit against Cain. The 5th one is worse than the 4th one.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
The 5th one is worse than the 4th one.
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and how is it any worse that what Clinton did?

Cain put his hand under a lady's skirt
Clinton pulled out his willy and waved it in a lady's face
 
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whysoserious said:
Conservatives' are doing a lot of 'smelling' right now. You do not have to smell anything: Cain is innocent until proven guilty of any new charges, however, any previous suits that he settled in are admissions of guilt.
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You can't even get the facts straight, he never settled anything.
 
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OscarB63 said:
and how is it any worse that what Clinton did?

Cain put his hand under a lady's skirt
Clinton pulled out his willy and waved it in a lady's face
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Can you please stop with the strawmen??

I never said what Cain has done was worse. First of all, no one knows what Cain did. The first three aren't saying and the most recent two (so far, there will be more) are merely casting baseless accusations. Secondly, we don't know Clinton exposed himself. That too was a baseless claim which fell unproven when Paula Jones' case was dismissed due to lack of merit.

Overall, I think Clinton was far sleazier than Cain based on what I know so far. At least so far, I have no evidence that Cain cheated on his wife. I can't say the same for Clinton.
 
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conservativeguy said:
You can't even get the facts straight, he never settled anything.
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Did he not settle two cases out of court? I haven't been following all this that closely, since I do not give a ****, but I believe that is a fact.
 
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OscarB63 said:
please look up the definition of "harassment". his alleged actions might be considered "assault" but it is NOT harassment. harassment requires a pattern of behavior, not a one time event.
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I think you are correct about that. I withdraw my use of the term harassment. But what he did connecting his ability to feel under her skirt and trying to overcome her objection with a line about her need for employment was simply wrong.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Can you please stop with the strawmen??

I never said what Cain has done was worse. First of all, no one knows what Cain did. The first three aren't saying and the most recent two (so far, there will be more) are merely casting baseless accusations.
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then why the hell do you keep arguing about it?


Secondly, we don't know Clinton exposed himself. That too was a baseless claim which fell unproven when Paula Jones' case was dismissed due to lack of merit.
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please don't lie. Clinton paid her $850K to drop it
 
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whysoserious said:
Did he not settle two cases out of court? I haven't been following all this that closely, since I do not give a ****, but I believe that is a fact.
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No, he never settled anything. The NRA settled with the women AFTER Cain left the organization and Cain never signed anything. Everything was done out of court since there was never a case to begin with.
 
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whysoserious said:
Did he not settle two cases out of court? I haven't been following all this that closely, since I do not give a ****, but I believe that is a fact.
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technicality: "he" did not settle, the employer did :shrug:
 
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haymarket said:
I think you are correct about that. I withdraw my use of the term harassment. But what he did connecting his ability to feel under her skirt and trying to overcome her objection with a line about her need for employment was simply wrong.
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oh most definitely sleazy skeezy behavior. I just object to the overuse of the term harassment. just like charges of racism: if you call everything racism/harassment it cheapens the use of the terms against actual cases
 
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OscarB63 said:
then why the hell do you keep arguing about it?
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I don't even know what you think I'm arguing about. I think you're just invoking knee-jerk responses. I've never said Herman Cain sexually harassed anyone. My only beef with him so far on this matter is the inept manner in how he's handling it. I think the way he's managing this situation, and not the accusations, is going to finish him off.

OscarB63 said:
please don't lie. the case was not dismissed. Clinton paid her $850K to drop it
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It's been a while so perhaps you forgot ...

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In dismissing the civil lawsuit Federal Judge Susan Weber Wright said Paula Jones hadn't met the legal standard for proving sexual harassment, nor the other charges she'd alleged. In a 39-page ruling the judge said, "Although the governor's alleged conduct is true, it may certainly be characterized as boorish and offensive, even a most charitable reading of the record in this case fails to reveal a basis for a claim of criminal sexual assault, as there is no alleged conduct that could be characterized as forcible compulsion." White House Spokesman Mike McCurry, traveling with the president in Senegal was asked how the president received the news.
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After Jones' case was dismissed, Jones filed an appeal at which point Clinton paid her off to go away. But Jones' accusations were found to be "meritless" on the evidence.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
After Jones' case was dismissed, Jones filed an appeal at which point Clinton paid her off to go away. But Jones' accusations were found to be "meritless" on the evidence.
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he paid her to go away because the lawyers were afraid she would win her appeal and the lawsuit would be reinstated. such fears would be unjustified if her accusations were meritless

The settlement foreclosed the possibility that Clinton's personal life would be reopened for public inspection at a sensational trial had the lawsuit dismissed in April been reinstated, as many lawyers involved believed it would be.
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$850K is an awful lot of money to pay to make a meritless case that had already been dismissed go away
 
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