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Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

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OscarB63 said:
maybe the civies do it differently. but I can tell you from years of experience doing investigations for the military, that in order to qualify as harassment the behavior has to continue after the "harasser" has been told to stop and the "victim" has to tell the "harasser" that the behavior is unwanted.

cases of "severe" (as sheik likes to bleat) one time actions such as assault and rape are not treated as harassment but are treated as assault and rape.


sexual assault =/= rape =/= harassment
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Maybe we do it differently in the private sector because if you walk up to any subordinate or even your peer and expect to get away with telling her she has nice tits, you are sadly mistaken. I addressed sexual harassment as part of an HR staff back in the early 90's, after the Clarence Thomas hearings. It was communicated to all employees, there was zero tolerance. There was no first time "free pass".

While suggesting a woman has nice tits is on the more benign side, should she have to tolerate the suggestion of an actual act because you only made it once?
 
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AdamT said:
What about the other four women? Were they neighbors of Plouffe? :lol:
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I wouldn't know since they don't have the guts to come forward.
 
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Conservatives' are doing a lot of 'smelling' right now. You do not have to smell anything: Cain is innocent until proven guilty of any new charges, however, any previous suits that he settled in are admissions of guilt.
 
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Gina said:
Maybe we do it differently in the private sector because if you walk up to any subordinate or even your peer and expect to get away with telling her she has nice tits, you are sadly mistaken. I addressed sexual harassment as part of an HR staff back in the early 90's, after the Clarence Thomas hearings. It was communicated to all employees, there was zero tolerance. There was no first time "free pass".

While suggesting a woman has nice tits is on the more benign side, should she have to tolerate the suggestion of an actual act because you only made it once?
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company policy is not law :shrug: and if she complains she is not tolerating the action. if she allows me to make a comment and doesn't complain, she is tolerating it
 
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conservativeguy said:
I wouldn't know since they don't have the guts to come forward.
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They don't have the legal right to come forward as they were required to sign confidentiality agreements. Nor do they appear interested in becoming celebrities.
 
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OscarB63 said:
company policy is not law :shrug: and if she complains she is not tolerating the action. if she allows me to make a comment and doesn't complain, she is tolerating it
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Are you under the impression that there are no laws against sexual harrassment in the workplace? The EEOC would disagree with you.
 
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OscarB63 said:
you are the one spinning. trying to compare what Cain did to rape
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I never did. You did.

I was the one who posted that rape can constitute as a "one-time" case of sexual harassment. I never applied that to Cain or any of the women claiming Cain sexually harassed them. In response to you posting how sexual harassment must be pervasive, I posted that cases of rape prove you wrong. I said nothing about Cain or his bevy of women.

You did...

In response to me showing you that rape qualifies as a "severe" case of sexual harassment, you suggested, "since she didn't call the cops...she must not have thought it was all that severe"

You keep spinning like that and you're gonna fall down. :lamo
 
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whysoserious said:
Conservatives' are doing a lot of 'smelling' right now. You do not have to smell anything: Cain is innocent until proven guilty of any new charges, however, any previous suits that he settled in are admissions of guilt.
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wrong bucko, settlement is admission of nothing. at least that's what you guys told us when Clinton paid his settlement to Paula Jones. :lamo
 
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OscarB63 said:
wrong bucko, settlement is admission of nothing. at least that's what you guys told us when Clinton paid his settlement to Paula Jones. :lamo
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It depends on the wording of the settlement, but usually there is no admission of guilt.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
I never did. You did.

I was the one who posted that rape can constitute as a "one-time" case of sexual harassment. I never applied that to Cain or any of the women claiming Cain sexually harassed them. In response to you posting how sexual harassment must be pervasive, I posted that cases of rape prove you wrong. I said nothing about Cain or his bevy of women.

You did...


In response to me showing you that rape qualifies as a "severe" case of sexual harassment, you suggested, "since she didn't call the cops...she must not have thought it was all that severe"

You keep spinning like that and you're gonna fall down. :lamo
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so you admit that since Cain did not rape her and his actions were not pervasive...he did not harass her. nice to clear that up
 
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OscarB63 said:
they didn't pluralize the verbs for the sake of grammar. saying "you have nice tits" to someone ONE time is not harassment


I have said it was a pattern of inappropriate behavior. sorry but I don't make the rules. he could have made that comment to 1000 separate women and it would not have been harassment.
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Fine, play verbal games, the fact is it is not spelled out a person has to wait for a second incident.

Sorry, but that is exactly a pattern of behavior. If it happened where I worked and more than one woman came forward with a one time incident, that is exactly how it would have been dealt with. He cannot fall back on, I only did it once because he didn't. He did it 1000 times.
 
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AdamT said:
Are you under the impression that there are no laws against sexual harrassment in the workplace? The EEOC would disagree with you.
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have you actually read any of my posts?
 
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conservativeguy said:
I loved the Ken Starr report that detailed BJ Clenis flogging his log in the bathroom sink in a White House office. Of course we also have the jizz stained dress, the Jennifer Flowers tapes, the human humidor Lewinsky, etc., etc. Yeah dude, that man was clearly had his urges under control.
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A lot of Conservatives loved it -- to them, Ken Starr's report was pornagraphy.
 
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Gina said:
Fine, play verbal games, the fact is it is not spelled out a person has to wait for a second incident.

Sorry, but that is exactly a pattern of behavior. If it happened where I worked and more than one woman came forward with a one time incident, that is exactly how it would have been dealt with. He cannot fall back on, I only did it once because he didn't. He did it 1000 times.
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he is a serial jerk, not a harasser. sorry you don't like it
 
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OscarB63 said:
so you admit that since Cain did not rape her and his actions were not pervasive...he did not harass her. nice to clear that up
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Keep spinning, I never said that. Glad you think you've got it all cleared up though.

By the way, I'm still waiting to hear how you know the cases of sexual harassment filed against Herman Cain were not pervasive?


:waiting:
 
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bunch of whiny ass babies. squeal harassment as the drop of a hat. you can't look as someone crosswise without some idiot squealing harassment. All it does is water down the seriousness of the charge so that when someone is actually harassed, no one takes them seriously.

it's just like the continual bleating cries of racism
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:

By the way, I'm still waiting to hear how you know the cases of sexual harassment filed against Herman Cain were not pervasive?


:waiting:
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what "cases"? this thread is talking about one specific case and one specific instance. I have no idea and have made no claims on whether or not he harassed any of the other accusers.

but hey..thanks for maintaining your integrity and as always....thanks for playing
 
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OscarB63 said:
wrong bucko, settlement is admission of nothing. at least that's what you guys told us when Clinton paid his settlement to Paula Jones. :lamo
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I disagree. I think almost all settlements are essentially saying, "hey we can take draw this out over years and years and pay tons of lawyer fees - and I will probably lose - or we take care of this right now for a much smaller amount."

And your idea of sexual harassment? Have you ever worked anywhere? :lamo
http://www.un.org/womenwatch/osagi/pdf/whatissh.pdf
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Sexual harassment includes many things...
· Actual or attempted rape or sexual assault.
· Unwanted pressure for sexual favors.
· Unwanted deliberate touching, leaning over, cornering, or pinching.
· Unwanted sexual looks or gestures.
· Unwanted letters, telephone calls, or materials of a sexual nature. - { PAGE } -
· Unwanted pressure for dates.
· Unwanted sexual teasing, jokes, remarks, or questions.
· Referring to an adult as a girl, hunk, doll, babe, or honey.
· Whistling at someone.
· Cat calls.
· Sexual comments.
· Turning work discussions to sexual topics.
· Sexual innuendos or stories.
· Asking about sexual fantasies, preferences, or history.
· Personal questions about social or sexual life.
· Sexual comments about a person's clothing, anatomy, or looks.
· Kissing sounds, howling, and smacking lips.
· Telling lies or spreading rumors about a person's personal sex life.
· Neck massage.
· Touching an employee's clothing, hair, or body.
· Giving personal gifts.
· Hanging around a person.
· Hugging, kissing, patting, or stroking.
· Touching or rubbing oneself sexually around another person.
· Standing close or brushing up against a person.
· Looking a person up and down (elevator eyes).
· Staring at someone.
· Sexually suggestive signals.
· Facial expressions, winking, throwing kisses, or licking lips.
· Making sexual gestures with hands or through body movements. - { PAGE } -
{PRIVATE}Examples
VERBAL
· Referring to an adult as a girl, hunk, doll, babe, or honey
· Whistling at someone, cat calls
· Making sexual comments about a person's body
· Making sexual comments or innuendos
· Turning work discussions to sexual topics
· Telling sexual jokes or stories
· Asking about sexual fantasies, preferences, or history
· Asking personal questions about social or sexual life
· Making kissing sounds, howling, and smacking lips
· Making sexual comments about a person's clothing, anatomy, or looks
· Repeatedly asking out a person who is not interested
· Telling lies or spreading rumors about a person's personal sex life
NON-VERBAL
· Looking a person up and down (Elevator eyes)
· Staring at someone
· Blocking a person's path
· Following the person
· Giving personal gifts
· Displaying sexually suggestive visuals
· Making sexual gestures with hands or through body movements
· Making facial expressions such as winking, throwing kisses, or licking lips
PHYSICAL
· Giving a massage around the neck or shoulders - { PAGE } -
· Touching the person's clothing, hair, or body
· Hugging, kissing, patting, or stroking
· Touching or rubbing oneself sexually around another person
· Standing close or brushing up against another person
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It's not that hard. Quit changing your view of things to defend him. Look, maybe he did sexually harass some women - that doesn't need to change your view of him. But don't sit here and play the "deny, deny, deny" game and verbal semantics just so you can justify it in your head.
 
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OscarB63 said:
unless he raped her, you showing me that rape qualifies is irrelevent. but thanks for playing
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Showing you that rape qualifies as sexual harassment was completely relevant in proving your bogus claim that sexual harassment must be pervasive was bogus.

And you're playing? You're getting squashed like a bug on a windshield.
 
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OscarB63 said:
company policy is not law :shrug: and if she complains she is not tolerating the action. if she allows me to make a comment and doesn't complain, she is tolerating it
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It functions as law when a person can lose their job for one offense.

If she allows you to make the comment, then she doesn't view it as harassment and there is no issue, I agree. But she shouldn't have to tolerate it even once, if she feels it's harassment. Again, this goes to professional and workplace appropriate conduct.

You didn't address the difference between commenting about her tits and an act.
 
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OscarB63 said:
bunch of whiny ass babies. squeal harassment as the drop of a hat. you can't look as someone crosswise without some idiot squealing harassment. All it does is water down the seriousness of the charge so that when someone is actually harassed, no one takes them seriously.

it's just like the continual bleating cries of racism
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Looking crosswise is one thing. Comments about a woman's form or suggesting an act cannot be construed as looking crosswise. Neither belongs in the workplace.
 
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OscarB63 said:
what "cases"? this thread is talking about one specific case and one specific instance. I have no idea and have made no claims on whether or not he harassed any of the other accusers.

but hey..thanks for maintaining your integrity and as always....thanks for playing
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Are you lost? This thread, "Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story," is about one of the accusers who filed a complaint against Cain and said she wanted to go public with her story.
 
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OscarB63 said:
he is a serial jerk, not a harasser. sorry you don't like it
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Sorry, it is a pattern of harassment. It doesn't belong in the workplace, period and in fact goes to a hostile work environment since it would surely be discussed and women would be intimidated any time they encountered him. They would have no idea he was skirting his perceived notion of what constitutes harassment and wouldn't do it a second time. If it happened once, even without knowing 999 women had been told the same thing, I would be shying from further encounters with the same man.
 
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Gina said:
Looking crosswise is one thing. Comments about a woman's form or suggesting an act cannot be construed as looking crosswise. Neither belongs in the workplace.
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and I have never said they do. however, just because a guy is a rude asshole does not make him guilty of sexaul harassment.
 
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Gina said:
Sorry, it is a pattern of harassment. It doesn't belong in the workplace, period and in fact goes to a hostile work environment since it would surely be discussed and women would be intimidated any time they encountered him. They would have no idea he was skirting his perceived notion of what constitutes harassment and wouldn't do it a second time. If it happened once, even without knowing 999 women had been told the same thing, I would be shying from further encounters with the same man.
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then he is guilty of creating a hostile work environment....NOT sexual harassment. sexual harassment is a very specific charge. I don't see why this is so hard to understand. I think you are under the misimpression that I am excusing such behavior. I am not, it just isn't harassment
 
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