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Cain accuser wants to tell her side of story

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OscarB63 said:
she was paid for her silence....he wasn't :shrug:
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I beleive most these agreements work both ways.

just as it can be argued that if she had wanted her version to be made public, she should have refused the payoff.

funny how these kinds of people always seem to have a change of heart and feel the need for the truth to be told.....after the payoff money runs out.
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it would be foolish to accept either without more evidence. But it is funny how you're already defined her as these kind of people. Is that any better than someone defining cain as a certain type absent all the evidence?
 
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apdst said:
Maybe because there wasn't anything to tell.

Herman Cain Accuser Was Paid 35K In Severance Pay | News One
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It would be interesting to know some more details. The amount she was paid is interesting to me. My imagination leads me to suggest maybe she was an employee that was about to be let go or fired or was given a poor review or actually got let go or fired and wanted severence pay beyond the usual. File a sexual harrassment claim, get the severence and also gaurd against the possibilitiy the company will give a negative report when you apply for a job elsewhere. Of course could be the company was aware of some inappropriate interactions between her and Cain and just wanted to quietly get her out of the way.
 
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lpast said:
Jmac hate to break this to you...but the politico CEO and the reporter who broke the story are not liberals...they are republicans who worked for reagan.
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Who the hell cares? Richard Armitage worked for Bush II, but proved to be in a manner of speaking a mole that aided in the liberal attempted take down of that administration. So just because someone worked for a particular administration means nothing. Plenty of examples of former 'republicans' now liberal hacks.

j-mac
 
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jasonxe said:
Herman Cain accuser attorney: Settlement dated 9/99, Kilgore signed - Jonathan Martin - POLITICO.com

It's all coming together now. :3 999
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Ah numerology...It all makes sense now....heh, heh....

But what should be picked up on, the charges were made AFTER Cain left the organization, and the one making a new claim recently it has come out that her claim is over the phrase at a NRA gathering in which she was working, Cain asked her "Darling, could you doctor my tea for me..." Really?!!! That's it?

Also, at least one of the accusers is a democrat registered voter. This is pure set up.

j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Ah numerology...It all makes sense now....heh, heh....

But what should be picked up on, the charges were made AFTER Cain left the organization, and the one making a new claim recently it has come out that her claim is over the phrase at a NRA gathering in which she was working, Cain asked her "Darling, could you doctor my tea for me..." Really?!!! That's it?

Also, at least one of the accusers is a democrat registered voter. This is pure set up.

j-mac
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didn't you know? "could you doctor my tea" is code for "give me a blowjob or you're fired" :lamo
 
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OscarB63 said:
didn't you know? "could you doctor my tea" is code for "give me a blowjob or you're fired" :lamo
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or, if he actually wanted the truth to emerge, he could invite those who have accused him to come forth with their own stories, by expressing that he would not pursue any litigation against them for their public disclosures
then we would learn whether all he really said was "could you doctor my tea"

but he won't
he will enjoy the ability to tell his singular side of the story while they are bound by a confidentiality agreement (one he may have breached)
that we have three women from the executive office of the NRA who have cited his instances of sexual harassment indicates his abuse of authority was likely real
 
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justabubba said:
or, if he actually wanted the truth to emerge, he could invite those who have accused him to come forth with their own stories, by expressing that he would not pursue any litigation against them for their public disclosures
then we would learn whether all he really said was "could you doctor my tea"

but he won't
he will enjoy the ability to tell his singular side of the story while they are bound by a confidentiality agreement (one he may have breached)
that we have three women from the executive office of the NRA who have cited his instances of sexual harassment indicates his abuse of authority was likely real
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Can't breech anything you are not a signatory to. Anyway, why should he have to prove his innocence against baseless charges? Is that how America works now?

j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Can't breech anything you are not a signatory to. Anyway, why should he have to prove his innocence against baseless charges? Is that how America works now?

j-mac
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but his expressed willingness not to pursue litigation against those who came forward to share their version of events would demonstrate his desire to have the truth emerge
that he does not indicates otherwise


seems odd that one's employer would be willing to pay the at least $80,000 that we now know about for actions that its employee did not commit. but again, end the cloak of confidentiality and allow the nation to see what happened for themselves. release these women from their confidentiality agreements. only the guilty would oppose such a notion
 
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justabubba said:
or, if he actually wanted the truth to emerge, he could invite those who have accused him to come forth with their own stories, by expressing that he would not pursue any litigation against them for their public disclosures
then we would learn whether all he really said was "could you doctor my tea"

but he won't
he will enjoy the ability to tell his singular side of the story while they are bound by a confidentiality agreement (one he may have breached)
that we have three women from the executive office of the NRA who have cited his instances of sexual harassment indicates his abuse of authority was likely real
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yeah...I'd feel so much better about their altruistic intentions if they hadn't asked for money to keep quiet.
 
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OscarB63 said:
yeah...I'd feel so much better about their altruistic intentions if they hadn't asked for money to keep quiet.
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no way would innocent career women deserve any consideration for the disruption of their careers caused by an abusive boss seeking sexual favors
 
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j-mac said:
Can't breech anything you are not a signatory to. Anyway, why should he have to prove his innocence against baseless charges? Is that how America works now?

j-mac
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why do you say the charges are baseless?
 
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justabubba said:
no way would innocent career women deserve any consideration for the disruption of their careers caused by an abusive boss seeking sexual favors
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and if they agreed to keep their mouth shut in exchange for $$$...then they should keep their mouth shut. Otherwise take him to court instead of settling.

lots of people make BS claims against companies and rich folks because they know they can force a settlement because it is cheaper to settle than to go to court. and the accuser can always find some sleazy lawyer to represent them for a piece of the pie.

how many commercials have you seen where the lawyer states "we don't get paid unless you collect"?


when I was teaching, there was a lady who got her daughter to accuse a teacher of "touching her" just so that she could sue the school system. school system settled and an innocent man's reputation was ruined.
 
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OscarB63 said:
and if they agreed to keep their mouth shut in exchange for $$$...then they should keep their mouth shut. Otherwise take him to court instead of settling.
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and so far, 12 years later, they have

but has the other party to the events done so? nope. ole raisin is out there giving his self serving version of events knowing those women are bound to a confidentiality agreement he is quite possibly violating

lots of people make BS claims against companies and rich folks because they know they can force a settlement because it is cheaper to settle than to go to court. and the accuser can always find some sleazy lawyer to represent them for a piece of the pie.

how many commercials have you seen where the lawyer states "we don't get paid unless you collect"?
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and an innocent man, who wants to prove his innocence to an American electorate would welcome those women to join him on the public stage and express their own version of events
but he will not do that. i suspect it is because he is both a perpetrator and a coward
 
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justabubba said:
and so far, 12 years later, they have

but has the other party to the events done so? nope. ole raisin is out there giving his self serving version of events knowing those women are bound to a confidentiality agreement he is quite possibly violating
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yeah...they probably should've considered that possibility BEFORE they took the hush money.

and an innocent man, who wants to prove his innocence to an American electorate would welcome those women to join him on the public stage and express their own version of events
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and if they were lying then...what's to stop them from lying now?


but he will not do that. i suspect it is because he is both a perpetrator and a coward
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you're just saying that because he is black ;)
 
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liblady said:
why do you say the charges are baseless?
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We'll possibly never know if the charges are baseless or not but the charges are pretty irrelevant to Cain's ability to be president and are likely to be the accusers' feeling uncomfortable with something Cain said and interpreted it as "sexual harassment", hoping for a big pay day. That may be the case for at least the ones after the first one who saw how the NRAEF handled such accusations.

Cain's problem isn't the accusations -- it's the inept manner in whcih he's choosing to handle it. Had he just come forth from the very beginning, saying yes, there were a couple of accusations, the women accepted a year's severance to sign a confidentiality agreement, which was far cheaper than litigating -- I think that would have been that. But that his story keeps changing I think gives off the impression that he's not prepared and that he folds under pressure. I see his stock going down, not because of the accusations which may entirely be baseless, but because of the way he's handling it.
 
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justabubba said:
but his expressed willingness not to pursue litigation against those who came forward to share their version of events would demonstrate his desire to have the truth emerge that he does not indicates otherwise
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Nonsense, We don't live in a country where someone can just make a charge, and it is up to that person charged to prove innocence.

If the woman making the charge is confident that her charge has merit, then let her come forward, but if she defames, or slanders then that is her risk.

Other than that it looks to be as Cain says without merit.

seems odd that one's employer would be willing to pay the at least $80,000 that we now know about for actions that its employee did not commit. but again, end the cloak of confidentiality and allow the nation to see what happened for themselves.
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Not odd at all. In fact I'd wager that every day in this country there is a suit with a company where the legal dept decides that it is financially advantageous to settle rather than go through a protracted legal battle that cost a lot of money.

release these women from their confidentiality agreements. only the guilty would oppose such a notion
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Sorry, you are turning that on its head. Just because someone makes a claim, doesn't mean that you are instantly guilty of anything. They must prove that claim, and a settlement doesn't mean squat either.

Put it in terms like this, When Bush wanted warrantless wiretaps, I think I would be safe in saying that you were within the crowd that objected due to the fact that nothing had to be proven in order to get these wiretaps going, it could be instituted merely on a claim. What's different?


j-mac
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
We'll possibly never know if the charges are baseless or not but the charges are pretty irrelevant to Cain's ability to be president and are likely to be the accusers' feeling uncomfortable with something Cain said and interpreted it as "sexual harassment", hoping for a big pay day. That may be the case for at least the ones after the first one who saw how the NRAEF handled such accusations.

Cain's problem isn't the accusations -- it's the inept manner in whcih he's choosing to handle it. Had he just come forth from the very beginning, saying yes, there were a couple of accusations, the women accepted a year's severance to sign a confidentiality agreement, which was far cheaper than litigating -- I think that would have been that. But that his story keeps changing I think gives off the impression that he's not prepared and that he folds under pressure. I see his stock going down, not because of the accusations which may entirely be baseless, but because of the way he's handling it.
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Ok, hold on to your hat here, and mark the day...I actually agree with some of what you are saying to a degree here. Cain's staff is horrible at this, and if he want's to continue in the top tier, he needs to get competent people around him.


j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Ok, hold on to your hat here, and mark the day...I actually agree with some of what you are saying to a degree here. Cain's staff is horrible at this, and if he want's to continue in the top tier, he needs to get competent people around him.
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Umm, it's not just his staff. How many times has Cain changed his story??

  • "As far as a settlement, I am unaware of any sort of settlement."

  • "And yes, there was some sort of settlement of termination and I don't even know what the contents of that was."

  • "We ended up settling for what wopuld have been a termination settlement quite frankly ... maybe three months’ salary or something like that. I don’t remember. ..... It might have been two months."

  • "... was in the vicinity of 3 to 6 months of severance pay."

And none of those were accurate ...

Cain Accuser Got a Year’s Salary in Severance Pay

Herman can't blame his staff for what comes out of his mouth.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Umm, it's not just his staff. How many times has Cain changed his story??

  • "As far as a settlement, I am unaware of any sort of settlement."

  • "And yes, there was some sort of settlement of termination and I don't even know what the contents of that was."

  • "We ended up settling for what wopuld have been a termination settlement quite frankly ... maybe three months’ salary or something like that. I don’t remember. ..... It might have been two months."

  • "... was in the vicinity of 3 to 6 months of severance pay."

And none of those were accurate ...

Cain Accuser Got a Year’s Salary in Severance Pay

Herman can't blame his staff for what comes out of his mouth.
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Oh I think he can....See I think a polished candidate would have brushed it off, and basically said I have no comment on baseless issues like this, now can we move on to real issues? Instead his staff let him blather, and trip. In the end though it doesn't mean much.


j-mac
 
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You know, there IS another aspect to the Cain brouhaha. For years, Republican scandals have been homosexual ones. Here is an opportunity for Republicans to continue bashing gays, and finally appear not to be hypocrites.

Republican Spinmeister: "As you can plainly see, we are not being hypocrites at all. At least ONE of our members IS a bona-fide heterosexual."

Meanwhile, Larry Crag is also at the announcement, peddling his new book "I am not gay either, I just like to suck dick".

:mrgreen:
 
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danarhea said:
Meanwhile, Larry Crag is also at the announcement, peddling his new book "I am not gay either, I just like to suck dick".
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you don't have to be gay to like to suck dick. maybe he just likes the taste?
 
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danarhea said:
You know, there IS another aspect to the Cain brouhaha. For years, Republican scandals have been homosexual ones. Here is an opportunity for Republicans to continue bashing gays, and finally appear not to be hypocrites.

Republican Spinmeister: "As you can plainly see, we are not being hypocrites at all. At least ONE of our members IS a bona-fide heterosexual."

Meanwhile, Larry Crag is also at the announcement, peddling his new book "I am not gay either, I just like to suck dick".

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What the.....that's BS. What does any of this have to do with Larry Craig?


j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Oh I think he can....See I think a polished candidate would have brushed it off, and basically said I have no comment on baseless issues like this, now can we move on to real issues? Instead his staff let him blather, and trip. In the end though it doesn't mean much.


j-mac
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so much for personal responsibility

now it was his staff who allowed his history of purported sexual harassment to take center stage
 
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justabubba said:
so much for personal responsibility

now it was his staff who allowed his history of purported sexual harassment to take center stage
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Nah, it isn't the leak from Rhambo that bothers anyone, it is in how they handle it. And I will agree they stumbled, but hey, they aren't seasoned politicians so I think the country is giving him a pass. Too bad for you though.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...nitial-resilience-in-the-face-of-controversy/


j-mac
 
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