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Dickieboy said:
I don't know as I don't pay attention as most of these are unattainable campaign promises crap...just like BHO did three years ago (Gitmo, no-bid contracts, etal).
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If you had paid attention you would have known that Obama has a much better record of keeping his promises than the GOP leadership in Congress:

"Obama has kept 159 promises with 179 in the works vs the GOP has kept 9 promises with 14 in the works."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
 
Catawba said:
If you had paid attention you would have known that Obama has a much better record of keeping his promises than the GOP leadership in Congress:

"Obama has kept 159 promises with 179 in the works vs the GOP has kept 9 promises with 14 in the works."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
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Yes, I know all that. He HAS kept some promises and am not arguing that. The attention that I haven't been keeping is on the mirad of promises the GOP has been making on their respective campaigns such as 'get rid of Headstart and the Department of Education' (as you posted). My point was merely that ALL politicians throughout history have made campaign promises that were not kept and BHO is no different.

p.s. I find it quite interesting that you failed to mention the 54 BROKEN as stated from your source. Why was that?
 
Catawba said:
"Obama has kept 159 promises with 179 in the works vs the GOP has kept 9 promises with 14 in the works."
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Now for the partisan hack response…If you had taken the time to analyze the data from the link you provided you would have noticed that on a percentage basis the Congressional ‘promises record’ is FAR better than BHO’s:

Kept
GOP – 15.7%
BHO – 14.1%
Broken
GOP – 1.75%
BHO – 19.0%
Stalled
GOP – 8.7%
BHO – 50.7%


Their promises kept is pretty close but BHO has broken 10x more promises than Congress…Better, ya’ think? Really?
 
Dickieboy said:
Yes, I know all that. He HAS kept some promises and am not arguing that. The attention that I haven't been keeping is on the mirad of promises the GOP has been making on their respective campaigns such as 'get rid of Headstart and the Department of Education' (as you posted). My point was merely that ALL politicians throughout history have made campaign promises that were not kept and BHO is no different.

p.s. I find it quite interesting that you failed to mention the 54 BROKEN as stated from your source. Why was that?
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Yes, none keep all their promises, agreed. However, I've already documented the statistics that show the records are quite different in promises kept by Obama and the GOP leadership in Congress. And it seems that is reflected in the job approval rating of Obama at 43% and the job approval rating of the 2010 Congress at 9%.
 
Dickieboy said:
Now for the partisan hack response…If you had taken the time to analyze the data from the link you provided you would have noticed that on a percentage basis the Congressional ‘promises record’ is FAR better than BHO’s:

Kept
GOP – 15.7%
BHO – 14.1%
Broken
GOP – 1.75%
BHO – 19.0%
Stalled
GOP – 8.7%
BHO – 50.7%


Their promises kept is pretty close but BHO has broken 10x more promises than Congress…Better, ya’ think? Really?
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Most of the promises broken by Obama are due to the 2010 congress. It is interesting that you seem to prefer the party that flat out hardly makes any promises to the middle class.
 
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Catawba said:
Most of the promises broken by Obama are due to the 2010 congress. It is interesting that you seem to prefer the party that flat out hardly makes any promises to the middle class.
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WOW...play the blame game often? Couldn't Congress claim the same? Can you provide detailed information supporting 'most' due to Congress? One could argue that BHO CAN get things done via executive order where Congress cannot without Presidential support.
 
Catawba said:
Most of the promises broken by Obama are due to the 2010 congress. It is interesting that you seem to prefer the party that flat out hardly makes any promises to the middle class.
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You seem to have overlooked those two years where the Dems had absolute power, with an ability to follow through with every campaign promise made.

But if promises are what interests you, without any intent of follow through, then you must enjoy the campaigns and the wishful thinking rather than the reality. That is not an uncommon trait among leftists. The dream is always preferable to the reality.
 
Grant said:
You seem to have overlooked those two years where the Dems had absolute power, with an ability to follow through with every campaign promise made.

But if promises are what interests you, without any intent of follow through, then you must enjoy the campaigns and the wishful thinking rather than the reality. That is not an uncommon trait among leftists. The dream is always preferable to the reality.
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You seem to be under the illusion that Obama could, or should be able to expect 100% support from every Democratic member of the Senate. In other words, just because there were 60 Democrats in the Senate didn't mean that Obama could do whatever he wanted.
 
AdamT said:
You seem to be under the illusion that Obama could, or should be able to expect 100% support from every Democratic member of the Senate. In other words, just because there were 60 Democrats in the Senate didn't mean that Obama could do whatever he wanted.
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Then it seems clear he was making promises he couldn't keep, wouldn't keep, or had no intention of keeping. But it also seems those same people who fell for his false promises still support him. This is very strange.
 
Dickieboy said:
WOW...play the blame game often? Couldn't Congress claim the same? Can you provide detailed information supporting 'most' due to Congress? One could argue that BHO CAN get things done via executive order where Congress cannot without Presidential support.
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I think the fact that Obama's approval rating is 43% and the 2010 Congress approval rating at 9% indicates who the American people think has fulfilled their promises the least.
 
Grant said:
You seem to have overlooked those two years where the Dems had absolute power, with an ability to follow through with every campaign promise made.

But if promises are what interests you, without any intent of follow through, then you must enjoy the campaigns and the wishful thinking rather than the reality. That is not an uncommon trait among leftists. The dream is always preferable to the reality.
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Absolute power???? Please shoot us a link as to when the Democrats had a super majority in both houses necessary to defeat a filibuster on every vote. Thanks!
 
Catawba said:
I think the fact that Obama's approval rating is 43% and the 2010 Congress approval rating at 9% indicates who the American people think has fulfilled their promises the least.
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Why are we changing the topic from campaign promises to approval polls?
What do polls have to do with Presidential or Congressional promise fulfillment?
Considering that one poll rating that you use is on ONE person and the other is on 535 with diverse positions do you that might have an affect on the ratings?
And ultimately the Constitution generally promotes gridlock in Congress and the public in general gets impatient with it wouldn't you expect low Congressional ratings when it is not dominated by one party?
 
Grant said:
Then it seems clear he was making promises he couldn't keep, wouldn't keep, or had no intention of keeping. But it also seems those same people who fell for his false promises still support him. This is very strange.
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That's just silly. Every candidate for office talks about what they're going to do, and everyone knows that the best we can hope for is that they will try to do what they say.

By and large I'd say that Obama has tried to make good on his promises. The big exceptions would be Gitmo and some of the other War on Terror measures.
 
Catawba said:
Absolute power???? Please shoot us a link as to when the Democrats had a super majority in both houses necessary to defeat a filibuster on every vote. Thanks!
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There were several times in 2009 that there WAS a super majority in the Senate before Scott Brown was elected, stipulation requested. Also don't forget the 'nuclear option' that would override a filibuster and only requires a simple majority.
 
I CAN'T believe I have wasted whatever time debating the validity of presidential campaign promises...stupid me...done!
 
Dickieboy said:
There were several times in 2009 that there WAS a super majority in the Senate before Scott Brown was elected, stipulation requested. Also don't forget the 'nuclear option' that would override a filibuster and only requires a simple majority.
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You mean the nuclear option that was never pursued?

Anyway, they briefly had 60 POTENTIAL votes -- until Kennedy got so sick that he was rarely able to show up on the floor. But again, that assumes that Obama could muster 100% support from his caucus, which isn't that easy to do. Hell, Boehner's lucky if he can whip a simple majority of his caucus.
 
Catawba said:
Absolute power???? Please shoot us a link as to when the Democrats had a super majority in both houses necessary to defeat a filibuster on every vote. Thanks!
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So despite having the Presidency, the House and the Senate, your argument is that that they still weren't sufficiently "filibuster proof" in order that BHO could keep his promises?

How many times were they filibustered in order to stop Obama from keeping his campaign promises? You should take it easy on the Kool Aid.
 
AdamT said:
That's just silly. Every candidate for office talks about what they're going to do, and everyone knows that the best we can hope for is that they will try to do what they say.

By and large I'd say that Obama has tried to make good on his promises. The big exceptions would be Gitmo and some of the other War on Terror measures.
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Which promises has he made good on, the ones you feel most pleased about?
 
Dickieboy said:
There were several times in 2009 that there WAS a super majority in the Senate before Scott Brown was elected, stipulation requested. Also don't forget the 'nuclear option' that would override a filibuster and only requires a simple majority.
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A month of absolute power by the Democrats???

"111th Congress

The 111th Congress opened on January 3, 2009 with 55 Democrats and two independents in the caucus, for a total of 57 members. The membership total has changed several times since then:

• Membership increased to 58 on January 12, 2009, when Roland Burris was sworn in to fill the seat that had been vacated by then-President-elect Barack Obama, who had resigned from the Senate on November 16, 2008 after being elected President.
• The party change of Arlen Specter (from Republican to Democratic) on April 28, 2009 brought the total to 59.
• When Democratic Senator Al Franken of Minnesota was sworn in on July 7, 2009, membership increased to 60.
• Membership dropped back to 59 at the death of Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy on August 26.
• Membership increased back to 60 on the swearing-in of Paul G. Kirk, the designated interim replacement for Ted Kennedy, on September 24.
• Membership returned to 59 on February 4, 2010 after the swearing-in of Scott Brown, who was elected to the seat following the special election on January 19, 2010.
• Membership dropped to 58 upon the death of Senator Robert Byrd.
• Membership returned to 59 with the swearing-in of Carte Goodwin, the designated interim replacement for Robert Byrd on July 20, 2010.[1]
• Membership dropped to 58 with the swearing-in of Mark Kirk, who won the November 2 special election to fill Barack Obama's senate seat.

With the swearing-in of Goodwin and the increase of the Democratic Caucus to 59 members, the Caucus will still need to gain one vote from the Republican Caucus to muster the 60 votes necessary under Senate Rule 22 to invoke cloture on motions to proceed on a number of major bills. Invoking cloture on a motion to proceed is a parliamentary maneuver that increasingly substitutes for invoking cloture on a filibuster of the underlying bill."

Democratic Caucus of the United States Senate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Dickieboy said:
Why are we changing the topic from campaign promises to approval polls?
What do polls have to do with Presidential or Congressional promise fulfillment?
Considering that one poll rating that you use is on ONE person and the other is on 535 with diverse positions do you that might have an affect on the ratings?
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I provided public approval ratings to show how Americans judge who has fulfilled their promises the least.


And ultimately the Constitution generally promotes gridlock in Congress and the public in general gets impatient with it wouldn't you expect low Congressional ratings when it is not dominated by one party?
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No, the Constitution promotes representation of We the people. According to the polls, and the record low approval ratings, the people are not deadlocked on the great majority of issues facing us.
 
Grant said:
Which promises has he made good on, the ones you feel most pleased about?
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The big ones for me are health care reform, ending don't ask don't tell, officially outlawing torture, and ending Iraq war combat.
 
AdamT said:
The big ones for me are health care reform, ending don't ask don't tell, officially outlawing torture, and ending Iraq war combat.
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The Health Care Reform Act will likely be turned down at the Supreme Court level, It is not "reform" by the way, it is a whole new game. Officially outlawing "torture" will cheer those who would do harm to the United States, and all the democracies. The Iraqi war is not over, and thousands of Americans may have died, or been seriously injured, in vain.

I´m all for Gays in the military and that sex should never be an issue.
 
Grant said:
Which promises has he made good on, the ones you feel most pleased about?
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I'll provide some lists below, there have been 159 promises kept just in the first 3 years. I'll mention a few of the promises that meant the most to me:

Ending the Iraq war and withdrawing our troops. McCain had stated he was fine with keeping them there 50, even 100 years as we did in Japan and Korea.

Ended the practice of torture.

Made the first step to transition to UHC with the historic health care reform.

Financial Regulation (although more is needed yet)

Middle class tax cut

Increased CAFE standards for cars and trucks

Reduce CO2 pollution

Historical funding of alternative and nuclear energy

Reduced unemployment

Repeal of DADT

Here are some more:

Obama's Campaign Promises: 91 Kept So Far



Now, what promises has the GOP leadership in Congress kept???
 
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