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err.....civil servants pay income and other taxes too.
No they don't.
err.....civil servants pay income and other taxes too.
No they don't.
No they don't.
this is a joke..right?
civil servants don't pay income taxes? they dont pay sales taxes?
they don't pay property taxes?
what are you talking about?
Of course these private-sector workers are enslaved, but not, as you claim, by their employers. While they are the ones doing actual productive work, creating wealth and value, and contributing to the economy and to society as a whole; they are enslaved in that they are forced to give up some of their own earnings in taxes to support the government workers whom you lionize, who receive much higher wages and benefits than their private-sector counterparts do (and at the expense of their private-sector counterparts) while contributing much less.
Your public-sector workers, are, in fact, the true “pigs at the trough”, consuming the wealth created by the private-sector workers.
No, there's just a law saying that the IRS has to take exactly what you owe, no more and no less. So no, no one is actually able to increase their taxes at will.
err.....civil servants pay income and other taxes too.
Yes you can.
The you can write a check to the treasury to help pay the deficit.
Government - Gift Contributions to Reduce Debt Held by the Public
you can also NOT take deductions that you are entitled to.
this is a joke..right?
civil servants don't pay income taxes? they dont pay sales taxes?
they don't pay property taxes?
what are you talking about?
Gotta love when you lay out a carefully constructed case like you do filled with verifiable evidence.:roll:
They get paid with tax dollars, then turn around and and give part of that back in the form of taxes. It's in no way a net profit for the government. Let's not act as if it is. It's nothing more than recycling money.
The only way the government can see any kind of actual revenue, is when the private sector creates wealth and pays a portion of it in taxes.
They get paid with tax dollars, then turn around and and give part of that back in the form of taxes. It's in no way a net profit for the government. Let's not act as if it is. It's nothing more than recycling money.
you're moving the goalposts.
I said that civil servants pay taxes. you responded, claiming they do not....which is of course a blatant lie.
nevermind the fact that some civil servants are paid from capital bonds and NOT tax-revenue.
But, hey, I live in the real world.
" you wouldn't care to put that to a vote would you Senator?"
I know the stardard rhetorical argument from Conservatives/Republicans "why do you hate the rich?, why do you want to take money from wealthy people? all poor people want are hand-outs" and all the other "redistribution of wealth" arguments, but I've got news for you people. It's no longers just Warren Buffet saying "tax me! I'm good for it" to create jobs in America.
These promonent BILLIONAIRES are also saying "TAX ME! We want to create jobs IN AMERICA because the People want...NEED to work!" Watch these video interviews given by Barbara Walters on ABC's "20/20" of BILLIONAIRES who are saying "TAX ME! CREATE JOBS IN AMERICA!" Even they agree with the Occupiers need to put America back to work!!
Again, the Occupy Movement IS NOT anti-capitalism. It IS anti-corruption. The People just want a job and for AMERICA to get back to work!!!
Right! That's why Obama wants to raise taxes, so we can, "create", more government jobs?
the government can allocate more money to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. that requires revenue, and it creates jobs.
the government can allocate money to address our domestic energy problem head on by funding the research to discover what comes after oil, a problem which the private sector will not address in earnest until there's an even more serious crisis. and by then, we might not have enough time. a moonshot domestic energy infrastructure and research program will create a lot of jobs.
the government can allocate money for numerous problems that are not being effectively addressed by the private sector.
OWS are a bunch of whining assholes. They are whining about their own failings.
Apology accepted...no harm, no foul.
You have to see both parts of the the President's proposals. So many people are focused on his jobs plan they forget about his deficit reduction plan. They are designed to work together, not separately.
His deficit reduction plan is very similar, if not identical, to what he proposed during the debt limit negotiations - across the board spending cuts with some tax hikes/subsidy eliminations. If implemented, his proposals will reduce the debt and and pay down the deficit gradually over time. Considering that the conservatives on both sides of the political divide have been calling for less government spending, I see this as a good thing.
I don't see how his jobs plan adds to the debt when it is designed to be deficit neutral. He's not asking to borrow more money, just use what revenues are generated via creative tax schemes (i.e., the "Buffet Rule" intended to increase the tax on hedge fund managers or by implementing the millionaire surtax as amended by Sen. Reid) or by offsetting spending by eliminating subsidies on industries that have shown they can compete in the free market place on their own. I find nothing wrong with either concept. Now, while these measures are not being advertised as being "permanent" long-term measures, I can understand how people see them as a prelude to permanent changes in the tax code. To that, I say simply watch to ensure if these such measures aren't terminated within the timeframe outlined in the deficit proposal. If Congress is to be trusted again with doing its job, we have to do ours. And that means holding our congressman accountable. That's what you have the Tea Party/Blue Dog Democrats for, but neither can be so "dogmatic" that their idealogy becomes so rabbid that they lose sight of the bigger picture. And to keep career politicians from starting in on their rhetorical :spin:, the best the voting public can do is fire them now! and avoid that inevitability.
You want to take back this country? Put the power back in the hands of the People. I think the moment is now. For me, that means getting rid of those who are out for self and not for the people who elected them to office.
I'm not talking about all millionaires/billionaires. I'm referring to the ones that think they don't pay enough taxes. They can easily increase their tax burden by taking fewer write offs. It begs the question: If they're so hip on paying more taxes, why aren't they taking fewer write offs?
err.....civil servants pay income and other taxes too.
No they don't.
They get paid with tax dollars, then turn around and and give part of that back in the form of taxes. It's in no way a net profit for the government. Let's not act as if it is. It's nothing more than recycling money.
The only way the government can see any kind of actual revenue, is when the private sector creates wealth and pays a portion of it in taxes.
I'm not talking about all millionaires/billionaires. I'm referring to the ones that think they don't pay enough taxes. They can easily increase their tax burden by taking fewer write offs. It begs the question: If they're so hip on paying more taxes, why aren't they taking fewer write offs?
Just think Al Gore created the Internet.:mrgreen:People who think government spending can't create jobs should ask Boeing about that.
Or Lockheed-Martin.
Or Halliburton...
"Oh but that money came from citizens!"
What's that? So what are those citizens supposed to do with that money? Oh... SPEND it. Creating demand. Weird, when you guys talk about "job creators" you always seem to forget about that demand side of the equation.
Anyway. Government is different than the citizens. The government can borrow money at lower interest rates and in higher volumes than you can. During a recession when nobody is spending money and therefore no demand exists to justify job creation, the government can borrow the sum of money required to shore up some of that demand.