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Fights erupt among Occupiers

I don't think it is. I would not participate in the event as it is constituted and my views are very much left of center and could even be accused of being far left on some of these issues. I support their right to protest and I hope that some of the issues involved get far more attention - but that particular action is not my cup of tea. I suspect many other progressives would agree with that and that accounts for the numbers you see.

Remember we are talking about NYC. People would not have to live in tents to be part of the protest every day. They could protest then take the train home, take a shower and be ready for the next day.

As to being left of center or whatever, not sure that really matters. If the real reason for the protest is about crony capitalism, then they have a lot in common with the 2010 tea party folks. If they are really just patsies for the unions or the DNC then it would matter a lot more if you are left of center or not.

My sense for why the group is so small is that they have not yet sent out a coherent set of concerns so people are shying away until they really know what these folks stand for.
 
I have already done that. remember? You claimed that you were going to show us the eleven Confederate states which held public referendums to secede and even three more border states which did not and you failed miserably to do anything buy show us three.... and even in one of those the state split in two over the results.

The historical record is definitely NOT your friend. Of course, it helps when you tell the truth about what is in it. ;)

You still harping on another thread? :lamo
 
I'll take my chances with greedy corporations instead of greedy politicians. [...]
Wow. I thought everyone knew that greedy politicians were the spawn of greedy corporations.

Oh, no doubt. That's WHY they are at wallstreet in the first place. Because to protest the real issue, DC, would mean admitting that they themselves put those bastards into office in the first place. Congressmen don't just walk in and say, "Nice office, I think I'll take this job after all..."
See the above. In many cases, it makes no difference who you put in office; they are nearly all corrupted by the corporate money required to get elected. Note that now, with so-called liberals in office for nearly 3 years, little or nothing has been done by the gov't to reign in, or tax, Wall Street (who, any rational analysis will show, is the true cause of the Great 2008 Recession and the current crippled state of our economy, in concert with a decade or more of Greenspan-led Federal Reserve hands-off cheap money monetary policy). In short, Wall Street owns DC... not only monetarily but by the preponderance of high level government employees, including Cabinet secretaries, who came directly from Wall Street (revolving door).

Prince John was the government. It's not the Conservatives that pull for more government greed.
As someone else has already noted, conservatives pull for more corporate greed (a.k.a. deregulated tax-breaked union-busting laissez faire capitalism)... surely that is without dispute. And as everyone (well, most everyone, it seems) knows, the mega-corporations pretty much own the government.

As to the OP, the stench of propaganda in that poorly-sourced post is strong. Basically not worth a serious comment, but I'd be willing to look at more indepth citations of the claims presented. In that vein, if you go to the link in the OP : Report: Fights erupt among Occupy Wall Street protesters and click on the link in that story to get to the original, actual N.Y. Daily News story, you get:


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http://www.nydailynews.com/local/2011/10/28/2011-10-28_get_physical_in_wall_st_protes.html


Interesting how that worked out....
 
Isn't it surprising how FEW people have joined OWC. Remember this is NYC with a population of over 8 million and tens of thousands of college kids and hundreds of thousands of poor and unemployed.

My sense is that if this was a right leaning organization, besides being called kooks the media would have rightly pointed out how small the protest with little traction.
Were it a right leaning organization, Fox News would be holding 24/7 coverage (supportive) and sending their major on-air talent (Hannity, Cavuto) to host rallies. Mega-buck Republican operatives (such as Dick Armey) would be sending luxury buses, and various right wing PACs would be sending millions of dollars. Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin would get on the gig, holding huge rallies of their own (and probably making some $$$ in the process). The protesters would be lauded as patriots by all facets of right wing talk media (Limbaugh, et al).

Now that's traction....

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When you watch Robin Hood, what's it like to pull for Prince John?
Its cute you think this is like Robin Hood. Its pathetic that you equate a bunch of whiny college students to the people that were robbed. Its comical ANYTIME some idiot claims the rich stole from the poor. You just are so dang precious!!!

So...in your Robin Hood scenario, where are you with the president and democrat cogressmen stuffing their pockets from the bankers and brokers?
 
Were it a right leaning organization, Fox News would be holding 24/7 coverage (supportive) and sending their major on-air talent (Hannity, Cavuto) to host rallies. Mega-buck Republican operatives (such as Dick Armey) would be sending luxury buses, and various right wing PACs would be sending millions of dollars. Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin would get on the gig, holding huge rallies of their own (and probably making some $$$ in the process). The protesters would be lauded as patriots by all facets of right wing talk media (Limbaugh, et al).


Now that's traction....

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This astro turf is nothing like the tea party. That those on the right tried co opt it and failed should be clear. This OWS thing was big Sofia/union backed from the start.

J-mac
 
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Yes, by taxing the poor and giving to the rich. How do you not know that? Robin Hood was a dirty, socialist bastard.
Right...taxing those 47% that...oh yeah...not only dont pay taxes but get free money via the earned income credit (should read LACK of earned income). Of course the reality as to who pays what is totally and forever lost on people that are committed to their lies. As long as the same politicians that recieve the bulk of the donations from the bankers and brokers keep feeding you slogans, you will never be at a loss for words...
 
To recap...The rich pay the vast majority of income tax (with 47% of the people paying precisely zero but draining the country of services). The rich pay significantly more in property taxes. Their property and state taxes pay for the schools and roads. They pay the majority of taxes for medicare/medicaid/disabled social security recipients. They certainly more in sales taxes (just how do you think your state taxes on your cell phone bill, cheetos, video games, and red bull is going to pay for the roads, schools, and every other public service). They create jobs and wealth not only for themselves but for others. The poor (as represented by many on this site and certainly at the OWS protests) excel at two things...self-suckage and whining about the success of others. Instead of this incessant whining about those that succeed...go do a mirror check. Then go examine the role your own family is playing.
 
That's exactly correct. The conservatives pull for more Corporate greed. More for the Corporate in every way and every day. Ignorance personified in the movement by ignoring social responsibilities such as Global Warming, wars for big corporate profit, pollution, etc. Mitigation hurts corporate profits. OWS is intended to promote "fear" on Wall Street by a confrontation with reality.

Conservatives pull for coportate greed?

As has been pointed out, Barrack Obama has received more money from Wall Street than all Republican candidates combined.

And why not? Billions went to solar companies with no chance of success yet Wall Street investors were allowed to pull their money out before the public money, which Obama gave them, was repaid.

Billions more went to build eco-cars in Finland and a federal program to buy guns for Mexican drug cartels wherein at least one American border guard was killed and up to 300 Mexicans. These "stimulus' programs were little more than a front for giving out tax dollars to Friends of Obama, and nothing more.

Are you still buying into that global warming hoax, btw?

You should have invested in those Kool Aid stands next to the OWS protesters. You'd be rich now.
 
To recap...The rich pay the vast majority of income tax (with 47% of the people paying precisely zero but draining the country of services). The rich pay significantly more in property taxes. Their property and state taxes pay for the schools and roads. They pay the majority of taxes for medicare/medicaid/disabled social security recipients. They certainly more in sales taxes (just how do you think your state taxes on your cell phone bill, cheetos, video games, and red bull is going to pay for the roads, schools, and every other public service). They create jobs and wealth not only for themselves but for others. The poor (as represented by many on this site and certainly at the OWS protests) excel at two things...self-suckage and whining about the success of others. Instead of this incessant whining about those that succeed...go do a mirror check. Then go examine the role your own family is playing.

Yes, true. With the exception of the super rich. The rich you are referring to are the professional class in the US. They are the ones getting ****ed the most. Basically, anyone making between $50,000 and less than a million, give or take. People paying capital gains tax- not so much.
 
Yes, true. With the exception of the super rich. The rich you are referring to are the professional class in the US. They are the ones getting ****ed the most. Basically, anyone making between $50,000 and less than a million, give or take. People paying capital gains tax- not so much.
They still pay it. Warren Buffet triggered the lie about the rich not paying taxes. He doesnt pay much on his salary...he does pay on his investments. And hey...at the end of the day if the argument is simplify tax codes...fine...all good. None of that changes the reality of who pays for what in this country.
 
Wow. I thought everyone knew that greedy politicians were the spawn of greedy corporations.


See the above. In many cases, it makes no difference who you put in office; they are nearly all corrupted by the corporate money required to get elected. Note that now, with so-called liberals in office for nearly 3 years, little or nothing has been done by the gov't to reign in, or tax, Wall Street (who, any rational analysis will show, is the true cause of the Great 2008 Recession and the current crippled state of our economy, in concert with a decade or more of Greenspan-led Federal Reserve hands-off cheap money monetary policy). In short, Wall Street owns DC... not only monetarily but by the preponderance of high level government employees, including Cabinet secretaries, who came directly from Wall Street (revolving door).


As someone else has already noted, conservatives pull for more corporate greed (a.k.a. deregulated tax-breaked union-busting laissez faire capitalism)... surely that is without dispute. And as everyone (well, most everyone, it seems) knows, the mega-corporations pretty much own the government.

As to the OP, the stench of propaganda in that poorly-sourced post is strong. Basically not worth a serious comment, but I'd be willing to look at more indepth citations of the claims presented. In that vein, if you go to the link in the OP : Report: Fights erupt among Occupy Wall Street protesters and click on the link in that story to get to the original, actual N.Y. Daily News story, you get:




Interesting how that worked out....


Stalin was very greedy. He wasn't elected with corporate money.

Let's stop pretending that government greed is born out of some corporation.
 
To recap...The rich pay the vast majority of income tax (with 47% of the people paying precisely zero but draining the country of services). The rich pay significantly more in property taxes. Their property and state taxes pay for the schools and roads. They pay the majority of taxes for medicare/medicaid/disabled social security recipients. They certainly more in sales taxes (just how do you think your state taxes on your cell phone bill, cheetos, video games, and red bull is going to pay for the roads, schools, and every other public service). They create jobs and wealth not only for themselves but for others. The poor (as represented by many on this site and certainly at the OWS protests) excel at two things...self-suckage and whining about the success of others. Instead of this incessant whining about those that succeed...go do a mirror check. Then go examine the role your own family is playing.

The rich and corporations, pay the bills.
 
"New York's police officers are working around the clock as the already overburdened economy in New York is being drained by 'occupiers' who intentionally and maliciously instigate needless and violent confrontations with the police,"

And yet people still believe in these trouble makers. I say run then off or take the dumb-asses to jail they still don't a thing about the and who the real problem is.
 
They still pay it. Warren Buffet triggered the lie about the rich not paying taxes. He doesnt pay much on his salary...he does pay on his investments. And hey...at the end of the day if the argument is simplify tax codes...fine...all good. None of that changes the reality of who pays for what in this country.

Capital gains is a significantly lower percentage tax than an actual income tax. The super wealthy end up paying a lower percentage of their "income" as taxes. Also, they can afford lawyers and accountants to help them make use of all of the convenient tax loopholes. Hiding their money is also easier. The average person can only hide their money by keeping cash assets in their mattress. Let's see who has the advantage.
 
This astro turf is nothing like the tea party. That those on the right tried co opt it and failed should be clear. This OWS thing was big Sofia/union backed from the start.
If so, why have they had no media stars leading them (such as the Tea Party had), no mega-financing (like the buses that the Tea Party had), and not even any Porta-Potties (which the Oakland police used as justification to storm their encampment)?

Your empty, unsubstantiated claim appears to be one of desperation. Or is it propaganda?
 
Stalin was very greedy. He wasn't elected with corporate money.

Let's stop pretending that government greed is born out of some corporation.
If you wish to present an argument that Stalin was greedy, please feel free. Otherwise your claim is irrelevant as well as unsubstantiated (Stalin, as a totalitarian, likely had a lust for power rather than money).

The line between government and 'some corporation' has always been razor thin in this country. They are, in most cases, one and the same... but the bottom line is that it takes money to get elected to government (and therefore to control government), and that money does not come from the government. It comes from corporations (and the ultra-rich).

Anyway, nice deflection from the fact that the basis for the thread -- the original news story -- cannot be found at the original link, making this a thread based upon vapor.
 
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If so, why have they had no media stars leading them (such as the Tea Party had), no mega-financing (like the buses that the Tea Party had), and not even any Porta-Potties (which the Oakland police used as justification to storm their encampment)?

Your empty, unsubstantiated claim appears to be one of desperation. Or is it propaganda?

Wrong again.

There were more reasons than lack of port-a-pottys

You are intentionally ignoring them to support the protesters.
 
If so, why have they had no media stars leading them (such as the Tea Party had), no mega-financing (like the buses that the Tea Party had), and not even any Porta-Potties (which the Oakland police used as justification to storm their encampment)?

Your empty, unsubstantiated claim appears to be one of desperation. Or is it propaganda?

It seems the city of Oakland was their Porta-Potty.
 
Wrong again.

There were more reasons than lack of port-a-pottys

True, but the public sanitation issue the only two of your reasons that were credible/verifiable. Unless we're cracking heads for misdemeanor camping.

You are intentionally ignoring them to support the protesters.
You read minds? Amazing. . . . . tell us more. Got any stock tips?
 
It seems the city of Oakland was their Porta-Potty.
Actually it would seem there is some right wing lying on this subject:

By the time it was raided by police during the pre-dawn hours on Monday, the tent city boasted its own kitchen and two rows of Porta Potties flanking a portable sink. But as the encampment expanded, the midday lunch rush that keeps many of the surrounding businesses afloat thinned.

Nearby shops give mixed reports on Occupy Oakland

So, the police claim that sanitation was a problem seems to be -- a lie? But before jumping to conclusions, let's look at other reporting on the issue:

#OccupyOakland Panic: ‘The Potties Are Full!’

Kyle Olson -- Oct 17, 2011

The Occupy Oakland movement officially kicked off on Monday, October 10 at 4 pm. In a bold act of solidarity, the Oakland Education Association provided the occupiers with four Porta-Potty units, but that wasn’t enough for a movement as large as this one.

An email obtained by Education Action Group from an Occupy Oakland leader explains the problem:

“If you didn’t already know, OEA has pulled through and donated some funds to have porta-potties available at Occupy Oakland. … People are really grateful to see how the teachers are supporting this. However, less than a day later, the potties are already full! They cost $35 a unit to service, and there are four units. We need to gather some funds to either add more units, or to make a consistent servicing schedule throughout the occupation. … Please email me if you are able to help with monetary donations!” [...]

#OccupyOakland Panic: Townhall.com
"Panic", Mr. Olson says. His bio says:

Kyle is a contributor to Townhall.com and BigGovernment.com. He has made numerous appearances on Fox News Channel, Fox Business Network, NPR and MSNBC. Kyle has given scores of interviews on talk radio programs coast to coast. His work has been cited by the Drudge Report, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.

Kyle Olson - Conservative Columnist and Political Commentator
Now if there is not enough humor in that, the "an email" link (reproduced below) in Mr. Olson's 'panic' story does indeed go to a PDF of what appears to be an 'official' Occupy Oakland email; said email makes no mention at all of Porta-Potties. Incompetence, or blatant propaganda? Who knows. . . . .

http://www.publicschoolspending.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/OccupyOakland-demands.pdf
 
Actually it would seem there is some right wing lying on this subject:



So, the police claim that sanitation was a problem seems to be -- a lie? But before jumping to conclusions, let's look at other reporting on the issue:


"Panic", Mr. Olson says. His bio says:


Now if there is not enough humor in that, the "an email" link (reproduced below) in Mr. Olson's 'panic' story does indeed go to a PDF of what appears to be an 'official' Occupy Oakland email; said email makes no mention at all of Porta-Potties. Incompetence, or blatant propaganda? Who knows. . . . .

http://www.publicschoolspending.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/OccupyOakland-demands.pdf

Well whatever is happing with this protest, or their complaints behind it, it seems they are making their presence felt. Quite a difference between them and the Tea Party protesters though. If they are both fighting for the hearts and minds of Middle America I would tend to place my bets on the Tea Party people.
 
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