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Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

You know what I think is REALLY going on?

Conservatives are FURIOUS that Bush started the war, while Obama finished it.

They hate Obama's guts for killing Osama Bin Laden, presiding over the over-throw & death of Qhaddafi, and now the end of America's involvement in Iraq.

They loath him for this, and they go home every night cursing Obama's name...for stealing their victories.
In other words...politics as usual. Dems consistently took the opposition view to anything Bush did. It is ridiculous but certainly very clearly explains why the country is so screwed up.

It IS mind bending that the GOP doesnt jump and shout "hurrah!" every time Obama agressively pursues terrorists. It vindicates the war on terror that so many of those hypocrites stood FOR for the 8 years of the Bush presidency. They are today doing the same thing dems did...in their opposition to the opposition they give comfort aid and hope to those that would harm the country. They are laughing at us. They SHOULD be.
 
In other words...politics as usual. Dems consistently took the opposition view to anything Bush did. It is ridiculous but certainly very clearly explains why the country is so screwed up.

It IS mind bending that the GOP doesnt jump and shout "hurrah!" every time Obama agressively pursues terrorists. It vindicates the war on terror that so many of those hypocrites stood FOR for the 8 years of the Bush presidency. They are today doing the same thing dems did...in their opposition to the opposition they give comfort aid and hope to those that would harm the country. They are laughing at us. They SHOULD be.

I'm a liberal and I don't support the war in Iraq now, nor did I support it then.
 
Every single time I ask who will defeat Obama in 2012, I get responses like this or they will say "Mickey mouse could beat him".

Its kind of funny really. I am being as specific as I can when I ask who can beat him and why. The right never seems to have a name to throw out. Why is this?

Because, in my mind, their only candidate that isn't a complete scumbag, and that everyone KNOW'S is a complete scumbag, is...GASP....Ron Paul...and it would absolutely KILL most republicans, more so than if Obama were kept in office, to see Paul make it in.
 
Because, in my mind, their only candidate that isn't a complete scumbag, and that everyone KNOW'S is a complete scumbag, is...GASP....Ron Paul...and it would absolutely KILL most republicans, more so than if Obama were kept in office, to see Paul make it in.

One of the big problems I see with Ron Paul is his stance on legalizing drugs. He wants to legalize all drugs, which I personally don't have anything against it. Although, I would prefer to keep stuff like heroine illegal so we can still send people to rehab court mandated. That is besides the point though. He wants to legalize ONLY so corporations can take it over as a business. Someone told me on another forum that he would have it illegal for you to say grow pot in your house.

So yes, to answer your question, he is a corporate scum bag imho.
 
I'm a liberal and I don't support the war in Iraq now, nor did I support it then.
Most did. Glad you dont. You should picket...carry signs and stuff. We havent had nearly enough of those anti-war demonstrations from liberals since Obama took over.
 
Most did. Glad you dont. You should picket...carry signs and stuff. We havent had nearly enough of those anti-war demonstrations from liberals since Obama took over.

Now, that's not true. Most liberals did not support invading Iraq.
 
Most did. Glad you dont. You should picket...carry signs and stuff. We havent had nearly enough of those anti-war demonstrations from liberals since Obama took over.

The reason I would never attend something like that, as much as I despise the war, is because it can quickly turn into hate on the US troops. Honestly, we don't need to disown our troops like we did in Vietnam. I think it was sick what we did to those veterans. But yeah, in general I do think it is a double standard to only hate the war because your presidential choice wasn't running the country. If you hate that we got into Iraq then, logic would dictate that you hate that we ARE in Iraq now.
 
The reason I would never attend something like that, as much as I despise the war, is because it can quickly turn into hate on the US troops. Honestly, we don't need to disown our troops like we did in Vietnam. I think it was sick what we did to those veterans. But yeah, in general I do think it is a double standard to only hate the war because your presidential choice wasn't running the country. If you hate that we got into Iraq then, logic would dictate that you hate that we ARE in Iraq now.
Frankly, I respect that opinion. Im fine with people that have ideological differences about war. Better be...my own mother-in-law would disown me. SHe is very much anti. Consistency is important. Most...they wait til their party says something (or the other party says something) to know what they are supposed to say. Its pathetic.
 
The reason I would never attend something like that, as much as I despise the war, is because it can quickly turn into hate on the US troops. Honestly, we don't need to disown our troops like we did in Vietnam. I think it was sick what we did to those veterans.

Well, thank god for that. It always pisses me off when people start picking on the troops when, if they're mad about a war, they oughta' be mad at the politicians.
 
You have any evidence of this?
Start with the comments of democrats re Hussein and Iraq pre-war, go to the dem vote count to support Bushs actions, fast forward to the next election cycle.
 
Start with the comments of democrats re Hussein and Iraq pre-war, go to the dem vote count to support Bushs actions, fast forward to the next election cycle.

At best that would democrat support and not liberal support. Second, some of those comments listen were in arguing not to invade (not to mention some often used were back in time and out of context). Either way, that will not support your claim.
 
Because, in my mind, their only candidate that isn't a complete scumbag, and that everyone KNOW'S is a complete scumbag, is...GASP....Ron Paul...and it would absolutely KILL most republicans, more so than if Obama were kept in office, to see Paul make it in.

Ron Paul is an interesting man. The one thing I like about him is he does NOT flip flop no matter what he says. I sometimes agree with this man 100%, then he goes off he rails and says something that just makes me shake my head.
 
One of the big problems I see with Ron Paul is his stance on legalizing drugs. He wants to legalize all drugs, which I personally don't have anything against it. Although, I would prefer to keep stuff like heroine illegal so we can still send people to rehab court mandated. That is besides the point though. He wants to legalize ONLY so corporations can take it over as a business. Someone told me on another forum that he would have it illegal for you to say grow pot in your house.

So yes, to answer your question, he is a corporate scum bag imho.

lol someone gave you bad info. If he did then he wouldn't of supported the "Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults Act of 2008". He honestly would have done in a free market way in business and allow people to grow it. Athough within the power, he would try to pass legalization on the federal level and let the states decide. If I had more time I elaborate better but read Political positions of Ron Paul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and below.

Funny moment in the oldddd days

 
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I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate here.

I have to apologize. My verbiage here...well, my vernacular may have been a bit confusing to certain folks. Where I come from, saying "Church" means I agree wholeheartly with what was said at that particular time. Again, I do apologize for any misunderstandings and am asking for your forgiveness for me making it so you had any misapprehension.

Word? :)
 
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Bush gets us into a war, Obama gets us out of it. Well, well.

Oh and look at how he handled Libya.
 
I have to apologize. My verbiage here...well, my vernacular may have been a bit confusing to certain folks. Where I come from, saying "Church" means I agree wholeheartly with what was said at that particular time. Again, I do apologize for any misunderstandings and am asking for your forgiveness for me making it so you had any misapprehension.

Word? :)

OK. No problem.
 
large-scale American involvment. Dictator Qhaddafi dead.

not one American dead or injured. Good job Obama. :)

If you only watched Fox and only read Drudge, honestly, you would think it was a bad thing. You honestly would.

Obama 2012!
 
The title of this thread is slightly misleading. The Obama administration requested to stay, but were denied. We aren't "pulling" out. We were "kicked" out. However, this slight, but important nuance doesn't stop Obama from cashing in on an opportunity and pulling the wool over the eyes of his supporters.

The US suffered a major diplomatic and military rebuff on Friday whenIraq finally rejected its pleas to maintain bases in the country beyond this year.

Barack Obama announced at a White House press conference that all American troops will leave Iraq by the end of December, a decision forced by the final collapse of lengthy talks between the US and the Iraqi government on the issue.

The Iraqi decision is a boost to Iran, which has close ties with many members of the Iraqi government and which had been battling against the establishment of permanent American bases.

Obama attempted to make the most of it by presenting the withdrawal as the fulfilment of one of his election promises.

"Today I can report that, as promised, the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year. After nearly nine years, America's war in Iraq will be over," he told reporters.
Iraq rejects US request to maintain bases after troop withdrawal | World news | guardian.co.uk

What a snake oil salesman.
 
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He failed to honor the War Powers acts. The SC ruled that congrescritters did not have standing to challenge the matter though it should have led at least to a SC ruling about how the particulars were to be defined. And then the congresscritters failed to impeach him over it and have it ironed out that way.
 
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