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Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq

It's all for his campaign in my opinion. I think it's a poor decision for Obama to announce a troop withdrawal or to withdraw if the situation is still hostile or not resolved.
 
It's all for his campaign in my opinion. I think it's a poor decision for Obama to announce a troop withdrawal or to withdraw if the situation is still hostile or not resolved.

none of his foreign policy failures or successes will matter in the 2012 election.

the only issues that will decide the winner is the state of the economy and how crazy the GOP nominee is.
 
I think its a bad idea announcing a pull out date. The insurgents in Iraq are not stupid,except for maybe the suicide bombers. Logic would tell them to amass their forces and wait until sometime after the US left.
A moot point. Both governments acknowledge the pullout. The US and Iraq could not agree on legal immunity for US military personnel in-theater. Remaining in Iraq would have exposed American soldiers to possible arrest, prosecution, and penalties under Iraqi civil/criminal laws. Such a situation is untenable.
 
How long until Iran goes to war with Iraq for the 100th time?

I think Iran and Iraq are getting along pretty well these days. Not sure we could ever leave if we're worried that they will start kiliing each other again. After all, that is really up to the Iraqis. We've never been able to end the violence, and there is no reason to think staying there forever would do the trick.
 
apparently the Iraqi govt. refused to guaruntee that American troops would not be prosecuted for war-crimes in Iraqi courts. this seems to have helped motivate Obama's decision.
 
none of his foreign policy failures or successes will matter in the 2012 election.

the only issues that will decide the winner is the state of the economy and how crazy the GOP nominee is.

Maybe so, but foreign policy will still be an issue people will think about.

Obama is crazy in my opinion, most of the GOP contenders are much more sensible than him.
 
..Obama is crazy in my opinion, most of the GOP contenders are much more sensible than him.

I'm sure if any doctors felt that Obama had a poor grasp on reality, he would be removed and Biden would become POTUS.
 
Maybe so, but foreign policy will still be an issue people will think about.

Obama is crazy in my opinion, most of the GOP contenders are much more sensible than him.

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Oh, that was funny.
 
It's all for his campaign in my opinion. I think it's a poor decision for Obama to announce a troop withdrawal or to withdraw if the situation is still hostile or not resolved.
That's only true if our continued presence is bringing in rewards that justify the costs. Somewhere is the point of diminishing returns for our efforts. After that point, the difference that our presence makes will not be enough to justify the costs.

I have not been keeping up to know if we're there yet or not.
 
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Oh, that was funny.
I think it's funny that people view Obama as a humble competent leader. I guess it's all dependent on the eye of the beholder. I dislike Obama and most of his policies, I recognize his arrogance and failures. I dislike him not because of his party affiliation, but of who he is and what he believes/does.

I'm sure if any doctors felt that Obama had a poor grasp on reality, he would be removed and Biden would become POTUS.

Appointing Biden as his VP was probably the best form of self defense against assassins that Obama could have ever implemented.
 
I too can't help but wonder if announcing the pull-out date is really a bait.

But if it's a bait, are the "other guys" really that likely to fall for it?

Hopefully it's not one of those choreographed things where both sides agree on a ploy for the benefit of both -- I trust neither the terrorists or our side on this matter.

And I also hope this isn't just an Obama ploy to garner votes in 2012.

Regardless, I wasn't happy with the left or right alleged reasons we supposedly entered Iraq. They had nothing to do with Saddam Hussein's covert plan to divert our share of Iraqi crude to China once the Gulf War restrictions on him choosing new trading partners expired, and they were about to expire .. when we invaded.

We had long received Iraqi crude, and In 2003 prior to the invasion, we were still receiving considerable Iraqi crude --California alone at the time was receiving over 19% of its foreign crude from Iraq.

There are presently no other sources of available light sweet crude, the really in-demand, easy to refine kind that Iraq offers.

I don't know what's going on here, but I'm pretty sure we can't afford to lose that source of crude without for sure plummeting into a depression.

I hope the Iraqi government is still dedicated to keeping relations with us "lubricated", as China may offer to pay a higher price for that Iraq-to-China pipeline Saddam was thinking about and that China has wanted for so very long.

Hell, I just hope the Iraqi government is stable -- the very nature of the ME can create destablization at the drop of a taqiyah!
 
I think it's funny that people view Obama as a humble competent leader. I guess it's all dependent on the eye of the beholder. I dislike Obama and most of his policies, I recognize his arrogance and failures. I dislike him not because of his party affiliation, but of who he is and what he believes/does.

I suspect your view is tainted by your ideaology. This is not ususal for anyone who holds a strong ideaology of any kind. I note I never told you how I view Obama, and yet you went that direction. What I laughed at was the view that most of the GOP contenders are much more sensible than him. As low a bar as you may think it is, the contenders by and large are still less sensiable than Obama. This doesn't mean is sensible at all. It is a case of one compared to the other.
 
I think it's funny that people view Obama as a humble competent leader. I guess it's all dependent on the eye of the beholder. I dislike Obama and most of his policies, I recognize his arrogance and failures. I dislike him not because of his party affiliation, but of who he is and what he believes/does....

and you think that he is crazy. do you REALLY think is not mentally fit?
 
apparently the Iraqi govt. refused to guaruntee that American troops would not be prosecuted for war-crimes in Iraqi courts. this seems to have helped motivate Obama's decision.

Took you all the way until post #32 to realize this fact brought to us by the original post? Why even bother commenting if you can't bring yourself to finish reading the OP's quoted summary on post #1.
 
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I think it's funny that people view Obama as a humble competent leader.

I don't think he's very competent at all. It's just that the Republicans aren't fielding much better.
 
Which companies are you referring to?

Do you really believe there will be no munitions used because "America's war" is over?

I'm saying that private military contractors and weapon systems companies and warplane manufacturers have a vested interest in ensuring that wars happening so that they may profit by them via government contracts.

Which is made all the worse considering that Congressmen may decide on these defense contracts while remaining shareholders in companies competing (or sometimes not) for a contract. Even though the staff of Congressmen and members of an executive agency are barred from owning shares in such companies while serving their country.

Iran is already making its move and it appears that the fragile democracy in Iraq will be lost and all those lives and treasure will have been wasted and all, it appears, for strictly domestic political purposes.

Well, as has been pointed out, the troop withdrawal is not strictly because of domestic political purposes. They are being withdrawn because Iraq refuses to continue immunity from prosecution for war crimes for U.S. soldiers.

But let's say that wasn't a factor. It is silly to say that foreign policy and domestic policy exist in a vacuum from each other. If our domestic well-being has suffered from the current recession that does not mean our foreign policy goes unaffected. After all, if we can pay for the basics of our domestic policies, such as education and transportation infrastructure, it is insane to suggest that we can continue to pay for a war like we did before the recession.
 
I don't think he's very competent at all. It's just that the Republicans aren't fielding much better.
I have decided that Paul would do the least harm
 
Official: U.S. pulling out all troops from Iraq - CNN.com


In a short speech delivered minutes ago, President Obama said our remaining forces in Iraq will be home for the coming holidays :)


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A moot point. Both governments acknowledge the pullout. The US and Iraq could not agree on legal immunity for US military personnel in-theater. Remaining in Iraq would have exposed American soldiers to possible arrest, prosecution, and penalties under Iraqi civil/criminal laws. Such a situation is untenable.

That's just a ridiculous excuse. All Americans everywhere are subject to local laws and have never had diplomatic immunity.
 
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