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Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown

Kandahar said:
There aren't any democracies in the Arab world period, secular or otherwise. Lebanon and Iraq have the contours of democracy, but even there the people don't truly have much say in who leads them. Hopefully that will soon change with Tunisia, Egypt, and possibly Jordan holding free and fair elections...but whether the government that emerges is secular or Islamist shouldn't really be our main concern. It's far more important that the government that emerges is stable, committed to democracy, at peace internally and with its neighbors, and is able to get its economy back on track.
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So Islamists have sabotaged every other attempt at democracy, but will let this one work?

Shazam.
 
Reg said:
So Islamists have sabotaged every other attempt at democracy, but will let this one work?

Shazam.
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I see no evidence that they've "sabotaged every other attempt at democracy." There is a reasonably well-functioning democracy in Turkey that's ruled by an Islamist Party. It's not perfect, but it's much more democratic than any of the Arab countries. In fact, there isn't one Arab leader today who was elected in a free and fair election...and most of these leaders are secular. If anyone has sabotaged attempts at democracy, it is these despots who have intentionally destroyed all their secular competition so that they can say "It's either us or the big scary Islamists."
 
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When the Scottish freed the Lockerbie bomber people in the states ( especially the GOP) were up in arms, disgusted that they would free the man and send him back to Libya who were seen as a corrupt regime and gaddafi the terriost backing leader. Now the regime has been toppled and Gaddafi is dead all you do is complain about how it is unjust it all is and how the rebels are no better, you people confuse me.
 
Kandahar said:
I see no evidence that they've "sabotaged every other attempt at democracy." There is a reasonably well-functioning democracy in Turkey that's ruled by an Islamist Party. It's not perfect, but it's much more democratic than any of the secular states in the Arab world. In fact, the Arab world is awash with dictators right now, most of whom are secular. If anyone has sabotaged attempts at democracy, it is these despots who have intentionally destroyed all their secular competition so that they can say "It's either us or the big scary Islamists."
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That's a sweet dream world.

When the parliaments get blown up or the elected representatives assassinated, which God do the perps invariably pray to?
 
Reg said:
That's a sweet dream world.

When the parliaments get blown up or the elected representatives assassinated, which God do the perps invariably pray to?
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Its funny the British government said the same thing when the revoultion started here, they were seen dangerous crinimals who wanted to replace the old order in Europe and would lead us all to ruin. Seemed to have worked out ok.
 
Reg said:
That's a sweet dream world.

When the parliaments get blown up or the elected representatives assassinated,
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There is plenty of violence emanating from secular Arab dictatorships too. Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Egypt under Hosni Mubarak, Libya under Gaddafi, Yemen under Saleh, and Palestine under the Fatah Party, etc. Secular leadership in each case. The problem isn't whether the country has a secular government or an Islamist government, it's whether it has a competent government that can keep the economy growing and where people are able to address their grievances in a constructive way rather than through assassinations and terrorism.

which God do the perps invariably pray to?
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What does that have to do with anything?
 
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There's no data to support the Muslim Brotherhood will bring democracy to Libya, or anywhere else.

You make me laugh when you suggest they are just a bunch of guys who get together to play canasta and happen to be Muslim.
 
Reg said:
There's no data to support the Muslim Brotherhood will bring democracy to Libya, or anywhere else.

You make me laugh when you suggest they are just a bunch of guys who get together to play canasta and happen to be Muslim.
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There is no data to say they wont either...
They havent even been given a chance in Egypt yet...
 
Reg said:
There's no data to support the Muslim Brotherhood will bring democracy to Libya, or anywhere else.

You make me laugh when you suggest they are just a bunch of guys who get together to play canasta and happen to be Muslim.
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are all Irish terriosts based on the actions of the IRA?
 
[video]http://www.foxnews.com/[/video]

Here's a very powerful video of him being capture before he was killed. I'm thinking this sends a very powerful message to other dictators....when your country is finally brave enough to want to overthrow you...get out.
 
Reg said:
There's no data to support the Muslim Brotherhood will bring democracy to Libya, or anywhere else.

You make me laugh when you suggest they are just a bunch of guys who get together to play canasta and happen to be Muslim.
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There is no data to say they wont either...
They havent even been given a chance in Egypt yet...
 
See "Holy Land Foundation."
 
MaggieD said:
[video]http://www.foxnews.com/[/video]

Here's a very powerful video of him being capture before he was killed. I'm thinking this sends a very powerful message to other dictators....when your country is finally brave enough to want to overthrow you...get out.
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Thats very chilling.....
 
There won't be democraty in Libya under the thumb of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Ditto for Egypt.

Or Syria, eventually.
 
Reg said:
There won't be democraty in Libya under the thumb of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Ditto for Egypt.

Or Syria, eventually.
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Do you have any proof of this, or is this just your opinion.. I mean they were elected in Egypt several times to positions..
 
Reg said:
There won't be democraty in Libya under the thumb of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Ditto for Egypt.

Or Syria, eventually.
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because you say so?
 
Reg said:
It absolutely is. Biden just bragged the US spent $2B and got the job done.
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Compare the $2B with no lives lost with to that of the war in Iraq where hundreds of billions that were spent killing Saddam and the thousands of American military personnel that were killed or maimed in that effort?
 
pbrauer said:
When I heard the news, I turned on Fox to see what they were saying. They had long faces and seemed pained to have to report this is yet another feather in Obama's cap.
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So getting Khaddafi is good, but getting Saddam wasn't?

LOL, geez you guys can twist yourselves into knots. It's comical.
 
Erod said:
So getting Khaddafi is good, but getting Saddam wasn't?

LOL, geez you guys can twist yourselves into knots. It's comical.
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Saddam was an enemy of the enemy, he was a force that kept Iran a bay. That's why the Reagan administration supported Saddam.


Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein

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Shaking Hands: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein greets Donald Rumsfeld, then special envoy of President Ronald Reagan, in Baghdad on December 20, 1983.
 
pbrauer said:
Saddam was an enemy of the enemy, he was a force that kept Iran a bay. That's why the Reagan administration supported Saddam.


Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein

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Shaking Hands: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein greets Donald Rumsfeld, then special envoy of President Ronald Reagan, in Baghdad on December 20, 1983.
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Really? Is this all you've got? Do you even comprehend how the world works?

FYI....we buddied up with Stalin at one time, too. Your boy, Obama, is pretty tight with Pakistan, the biggest creator of terrorists on the planet. Bush did, too, because that's the way it works.

Now Mubarak and Khaddafi are gone. They are NOTHING compared to the monsters about to take their place.
 
Erod said:
Really? Is this all you've got? Do you even comprehend how the world works?

FYI....we buddied up with Stalin at one time, too. Your boy, Obama, is pretty tight with Pakistan, the biggest creator of terrorists on the planet. Bush did, too, because that's the way it works.

Now Mubarak and Khaddafi are gone. They are NOTHING compared to the monsters about to take their place.
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Obama is tight with Pakistan... :lamo :lamo :lamo

Was that before or after he violated their sovereignty by launching a strike in the middle of their country to kill Bin Laden.

Erod, almost every single attack you make on the president sounds so contrived and desperate you've never been worth taking seriously... well ever.
 
Erod said:
Really? Is this all you've got? Do you even comprehend how the world works?

FYI....we buddied up with Stalin at one time, too. Your boy, Obama, is pretty tight with Pakistan, the biggest creator of terrorists on the planet. Bush did, too, because that's the way it works.

Now Mubarak and Khaddafi are gone. They are NOTHING compared to the monsters about to take their place.
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lol http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...rgent-havens/2011/10/20/gIQAuZL5zL_story.html

Amazing that y'all are so eaten up with hatred for Obama that you can't even appreciate the deposing of muderous dictators. If Bush had pulled this off you'd be swinging from the chandeliers.

No, there aren't any real democracies in the ME. Why? Because ME countries have by and large been controlled by murderous dictators. Step one towards advancement, then, is getting rid of the dictators. Does'nt guarantee that they will become modern democracies, but it's a step in the right direction.
 
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