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Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

Yeah probably one of those two. Of course I'm not sure how much success you'd have against that Predator UAV when it comes to your home, but hey you can always try. ;-)

May not have much success at all. But if slavery is the only option I'm given; I'd rather die fighting for my freedom. Those who seek to steal the freedom and liberty of the People forfeit their lives to the People. In that light, I'm sure I can get a few of you before being taken out myself. I'm a pretty smart guy.
 
Their desire to get rid of the debt makes them disgusting scum? Mmm...interesting.

I think that "reasonable restrictions" shouldn't always override rights; particularly assembly and protest given the importance to those in terms of keep the Republic. I'd rather take a temporary nuisance hit with protesters in a part at night than excuse government force against the exercise of a right. That's just the way I typically side when it comes to rights.

What they want is for people to pay attention to the world around them. That's why they're engaged in a magnitude protest. The main contention is that there is extreme mixing of State and Corporate entities and interests which have brought an end to free market and installed instead corporate capitalist. In this system the government is employed to selectively promote certain entities above others and also leads to the closing down of competition and economic mobility. And on that front, they have a point.

yeah

if you took out a mortgage to fund your house and you think the bank ought to eat that-that makes you a thief

If you borrowed money to go to school and learn about french gay culture or the sex lives of iguanas and you cannot find a job, you still have to pay those loans back but those turds think we taxpayers ought to pay off their debt

you run about 13K in credit card debt because you "need" a plasma TV, a fancy phone etc and now you think American Express or VISA ought to take a bath-yeah that makes you a scumbag IMHO
 
I can't speak for Fascists, but once we get an Authoritarian government in place, it will most definitely influence your decisions, unless you want to be spending time somewhere that makes Alcatraz look like DisneyLand.

Not a good idea. lots of us out here who would be your worst Fing nightmare if you tried to create a fascist government are neither leftwingers nor fascists. I find socialism and fascism equally disgusting and both worthy of being shot down if imposed
 
yeah

if you took out a mortgage to fund your house and you think the bank ought to eat that-that makes you a thief

If you borrowed money to go to school and learn about french gay culture or the sex lives of iguanas and you cannot find a job, you still have to pay those loans back but those turds think we taxpayers ought to pay off their debt

you run about 13K in credit card debt because you "need" a plasma TV, a fancy phone etc and now you think American Express or VISA ought to take a bath-yeah that makes you a scumbag IMHO

Yet what they're talking about is tax breaks and subsidies to the Corporations, unfair regulations on other businesses which are not placed on certain corporations, etc. So yeah....nothing you said there.

This is one of my huge problems with the blind partisans, they never actually observe the damned system for themselves. They'll look through whatever filter their partisan side tells them to look through; but never question, never ask, never look for themselves. Cherry picked interviews and whatever Hannity told you, eh?
 
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May not have much success at all. But if slavery is the only option I'm given; I'd rather die fighting for my freedom. Those who seek to steal the freedom and liberty of the People forfeit their lives to the People. In that light, I'm sure I can get a few of you before being taken out myself. I'm a pretty smart guy.

Thankfully some of us realize that there is no Right to Act in an Immoral Manner, and there never has been. There aren't as many of us yet as there should be, or as there once were, but we're gaining ground again compared to the back half of last century. Best of luck with that.
 
And what rights did they infringe upon?

I dunno.... ask these people if they feel their rights have been infringed:

Livid lower Manhattan residents went off on Zuccotti Park protesters at a heated Community Board 1 meeting last night and blasted politicians for not controlling the chaos.

“They’re defecating on our doorsteps,” fumed board member Catherine Hughes, a stay-at-home mom who lives one block from the protest. “The cowbells start at 4 a.m. and the drumming goes past 10 p.m. A lot of people are very frustrated. A lot of people are concerned about the safety of our kids.”

Fed-up homeowners said they’ve been insulted and harassed as they trek to their jobs each morning. “The protesters taunt people who are on their way to work,” said James Fernandez, 51.

The meeting, packed with more than 200 people, spilled out onto the street, where Zuccotti sympathizers began sparring with their critics
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Read more: Zuccotti neighbors: Stop dumping on us - NYPOST.com
 
Thankfully some of us realize that there is no Right to Act in an Immoral Manner, and there never has been. There aren't as many of us yet as there should be, or as there once were, but we're gaining ground again compared to the back half of last century. Best of luck with that.

There certainly is, if you mean violence against the government as "immoral". When a government no longer serves the rights and liberties of the People, if it in fact acts against them for too long, it is the RIGHT and DUTY of the People to do away with that government and construct for themselves a government which will better preserve their freedom. We most certainly DO have that right. Sorry fascist. You may think that once you get into power you can then dominate and oppress everyone as you like; but even kings lost their heads from time to time.
 
I dunno.... ask these people if they feel their rights have been infringed:

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Read more: Zuccotti neighbors: Stop dumping on us - NYPOST.com

Defecating on someone's property can certainly be a form of vandalism. Taunting...no, nothing there. "concerned about the safety of our kids" is rather vague. From what's listed there, I don't see there being an overall problem with the protesters infringing upon the rights of others.
 
Defecating on someone's property can certainly be a form of vandalism. Taunting...no, nothing there. "concerned about the safety of our kids" is rather vague. From what's listed there, I don't see there being an overall problem with the protesters infringing upon the rights of others.

I bet you would if it was a Tea Party group doing these things............. especially if it was in your neighborhood.
 
Sounds like an excellent group.....very effective.

They're environmentalists? I never heard of them; "Rainbow" to me conjures up Gay Pride or Jessie Jackson's (ugh) presidential campaign.

Is there any reason to anticipate they'll be in Cincinnati?

Here's a link to what looks like a pretty good wiki:

Rainbow Gathering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Looks pretty comprehensive and even has info on the consensus process being used.

Check it out. I think it may actually help you get a handle on what's going on in the OWS movement overall, as far as how they're going about it, nuts and bolts.

And while I'm not sure their is an effective Rainbow presence in Cincinnati, the odds are good. They are KEENLY aware of optics. Of the perceptual things that are used against them.

I've picked up many a cigarette butt and carried out much trash from small Rainbow events over the years. Its very much part of their culture. And leaving things better than they found them is tradition.

As an example, Gatherings are held on sites with water. Springs are temporarily tapped for cooking etc. But most streams and rivers are protected habitats in these areas. And the hippies stay out of the water. In the hot summer sun, barring a very few, the hippies sweat rather than tear up the streambeds because the cleanup crews can't fix them the way they can trails. Can't restore them to the point the fish can spawn in them.

So hopefully they do have a substantial presence in Cincinnati. Id be surprised if there was none.
 
I bet you would if it was a Tea Party group doing these things............. especially if it was in your neighborhood.

What a ****ing retarded statement this is. Dumb partisan crap, you obviously have not read my posts. I support the Tea Party's right to protest as much as OWS. If the Tea Party wanted to stay in a park overnight to continue their protest, I would say they should certainly be afforded their right to assemble and protest over silly "camping" laws.

Unlike you blind partisans, I am extremely consistent within my political ideology.
 
What a ****ing retarded statement this is. Dumb partisan crap, you obviously have not read my posts. I support the Tea Party's right to protest as much as OWS. If the Tea Party wanted to stay in a park overnight to continue their protest, I would say they should certainly be afforded their right to assemble and protest over silly "camping" laws.

Unlike you blind partisans, I am extremely consistent within my political ideology.

Excellent..... I'm sure you are fine with them harassing your kids as they walk to school also.

Just don't let your kids go near the park. The OWS crowd is full of perverts.
 
Regularly closing the park at dark is "Arbitrary" to you?

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"Dark" is a subjective term. The sun goes down at a different time every day. When the moon is full, you can't actually say its "dark". Usually its defined legally as 30 minutes after sunset.

But it is arbitrary. Why not 5 pm? Or midnight? Are there lights? Why can't I play basketball at 3am? What if I work graveyard and have a "day" off?
 
Excellent..... I'm sure you are fine with them harassing your kids as they walk to school also.

Just don't let your kids go near the park. The OWS crowd is full of perverts.

They have to learn to deal with teasing and harassment anyway. Plus they need to learn about the consequences of freedom and why despite the fact that we may not like what we see, it is imperative to uphold it.

As I said, I'm just a man who loves his freedom.
 
They have to learn to deal with teasing and harassment anyway. Plus they need to learn about the consequences of freedom and why despite the fact that we may not like what we see, it is imperative to uphold it.

As I said, I'm just a man who loves his freedom.

Teasing and harrassment from people 15 years older than them???? You would make a piss poor parent.
 
Teasing and harrassment from people 15 years older than them???? You would make a piss poor parent.

Why? Just cause they're older? Lots of people tease and harass others of varying ages. Grow a spine, learn to deal with it.
 
The law has been the law for as long as I remember. Parks have always had closing hours. These people are violating a reasonable law. Time to start making them pay the fines or put their asses in jail. They are hurting some of the local businesses.

Not all parks have closing hours. The one in question may have "always" had closing hours, but most have started having closing hours as a response to crime or homelessness.
 
Why? Just cause they're older? Lots of people tease and harass others of varying ages. Grow a spine, learn to deal with it.

My spine is just fine and I could easily handle those doped up dropouts. A six year old is a different story and should not be harassed or teased by people that much older than them.
 
My spine is just fine and I could easily handle those doped up dropouts. A six year old is a different story and should not be harassed or teased by people that much older than them.

No, not at all. By 6 they can figure out how to ignore people. Your solution is probably assault, which would be rather childish and is not learning to deal with the situation, but rather how to give into emotion and assault others for merely running their mouths. Grow up, learn to deal with it. Freedom has consequences and if you wish to remain free, you must accept the consequences.
 
No, not at all. By 6 they can figure out how to ignore people. Your solution is probably assault, which would be rather childish and is not learning to deal with the situation, but rather how to give into emotion and assault others for merely running their mouths. Grow up, learn to deal with it. Freedom has consequences and if you wish to remain free, you must accept the consequences.

Great........ I'll send some over to crap on your doorstep and car hood. I'm sure you can enjoy your "freedom" with them.
 
Great........ I'll send some over to crap on your doorstep and car hood. I'm sure you can enjoy your "freedom" with them.

Property damage isn't the same as taunting. Please don't make ridiculous comparisons.
 
There certainly is, if you mean violence against the government as "immoral". When a government no longer serves the rights and liberties of the People, if it in fact acts against them for too long, it is the RIGHT and DUTY of the People to do away with that government and construct for themselves a government which will better preserve their freedom. We most certainly DO have that right. Sorry fascist. You may think that once you get into power you can then dominate and oppress everyone as you like; but even kings lost their heads from time to time.

Well, in my mind the alternative is losing my head (one way or another) if this country continues on its current course, so I'm not sure there's all that much difference.

I'm talking about ANY act of immorality.... drug use, drinking to excess, adultery, etc.... There is NO Right to commit any of those acts so far as I am concerned.
 
I'm talking about ANY act of immorality.... drug use, drinking to excess, adultery, etc.... There is NO Right to commit any of those acts so far as I am concerned.

Then don't do those things. But you are not the moral authority over everyone else.
 
Yes, or changing the hours to prevent protesting. There's no restriction on that restriction and they can do as they like.
Any evidence they did this or are you just trying to stretch the truth to support your position?
 
I thought I was pretty clear............ a person does not have the right to inflict harm on another.

Plain enough for you ??

NO it is not.

Does your statement about rights being limited apply to all the rights we enjoy as Americans or are there some rights we enjoy that you feel are without limits?
 
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