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HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

You have to play the video to get this fact, but this is a 15 year old in a public HS in Texas, and the assignment was given in her Spanish class.

I think the student was correct. She was there to learn to speak SPANISH, a language spoken in over a dozen nations around the globe, including SPAIN. She will not be aided by learning "Hispanic culture", Mexican Independence Day facts, or the pledge of allegiance to another nation.

NOT EVERY SPANISH SPEAKER IS MEXICAN.

Lots of you have probably taken a second language class....have any of you ever been asked to learn and recite another nation's pledge of allegiance?
 
I learnt Italian, and one of our assignments was to have sex with 8 women in one night.
 
Well that is her constitutional right to refuse too.....
 
I learned French and we got extra credit for being assholes to our fellow Americans.
 
Well that is her constitutional right to refuse too.....

Not really. The courts have argued that schools can treat students differently than a citizen in general. It's why they can make rules saying what students may proclaim on their t-shirts.

Generally this is ruled this way because of keeping things under control. That's a stretch here but it's hard to tell how a court would rule in this instance.

A class can require you to recite Shakespeare.
 
I learnt Italian, and one of our assignments was to have sex with 8 women in one night.

How'd ya do? Pass with flying colors?

Beside the point, so what if she doesn't want to? If they want us to say their PoA in this country, they should adopt English as their national language ;)
 
Well that is her constitutional right to refuse too.....

Well, true, but that is not why I thought this was discussion-worthy. I agree with the student, -- the teacher went beyond her goal of teaching kids to speak Spanish and tried to force them to learn things about Mexico, including their pledge of allegiance.

Many people would like there to be no real boundary between the US and Mexico...as if all Mexicans have a right to live, work, and elsewise enjoy the benefits of being an American that the citizens of no other nation on Planet Earth has. We're attacked for calling illegal aliens "illegal aliens", and over and over, told that we MUST give the people from Mexico who are here but did not get our permission to enter "amnesty".

Whatever the teacher's POVs may be on immigration, she should not be abusing her position as a public HS Spanish teacher to foist them on her students.

 
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She has the right to refuse to do the assignment and her teacher has the right to fail her. It was an assignment for class not something students were being forced to do.
 
I learnt Italian, and one of our assignments was to have sex with 8 women in one night.

I took French, so all I did was learn how to surrender. That's why I'm learning Russian now ;)

Seriously though, she should have just said it. It was an exercise in her using her new language more than anything, and an opportunity to learn more about a country that we share the same continent with. I'm suspecting though if she were asked to recite the Canadian national anthem in french, she wouldn't have cared. Just another case of forced outrage IMO.
 
She has the right to refuse to do the assignment and her teacher has the right to fail her. It was an assignment for class not something students were being forced to do.

That would be something students were forced to do.
 
I learnt Italian, and one of our assignments was to have sex with 8 women in one night.

I learned how to speak Canadian, eh? Drank Labatt's, ate Tim Horton's doughnuts and watched Hockey Night in Canada.

In my 30s I learned some Russian (enough to get by there for three weeks). Vodka!
 
How'd ya do? Pass with flying colors?

Beside the point, so what if she doesn't want to? If they want us to say their PoA in this country, they should adopt English as their national language ;)

WTH?

You want the US to merge with Mexico?
 
Well, true, but that is not why I thought this was discussion-worthy. I agree with the student, -- the teacher went beyond her goal of teaching kids to speak Spanish and tried to force them to learn things about Mexico, including their pledge of allegiance.

Many people would like there to be no real boundary between the US and Mexico...as if all Mexicans have a right to live, work, and elsewise enjoy the benefits of being an American that the citizens of no other nation on Planet Earth has. We're attacked for calling illegal aliens "illegal aliens", and over and over, told that we MUST give the people from Mexico who are here but did not get our permission to enter "amnesty".

Whatever the teacher's POVs may be on immigration, she should not be abusing her position as a public HS Spanish teacher to foist them on her students.


Learning the pledge of allegiance of Mexico in spanish has nothing to do with immigration policy.
 
I took French, so all I did was learn how to surrender. That's why I'm learning Russian now ;)

Seriously though, she should have just said it. It was an exercise in her using her new language more than anything, and an opportunity to learn more about a country that we share the same continent with. I'm suspecting though if she were asked to recite the Canadian national anthem in french, she wouldn't have cared. Just another case of forced outrage IMO.

I lived in Canada. All Canadians have a stick up their ass about anything American along these lines.

So it doesn't cut both ways.
 
Learning the pledge of allegiance of Mexico in spanish has nothing to do with immigration policy.

Mexican kids learning English would never be asked to say the US Pledge of Allegiance.
 
She has the right to refuse to do the assignment and her teacher has the right to fail her. It was an assignment for class not something students were being forced to do.

The problem is, the assignment has no reasonable relation to the subject being taught.
 
I took French, so all I did was learn how to surrender. That's why I'm learning Russian now ;)

Seriously though, she should have just said it. It was an exercise in her using her new language more than anything, and an opportunity to learn more about a country that we share the same continent with. I'm suspecting though if she were asked to recite the Canadian national anthem in french, she wouldn't have cared. Just another case of forced outrage IMO.

"Oh Canada. Terre de nos ailleurs..."

Russian is hard. Good luck.
 
Mexican kids in US schools aren't even expected to say the US Pledge of Allegiance.
 
WTH?

You want the US to merge with Mexico?

There are SO many jokes I could make here. But, no, I don't. In fact, I want the opposite.
 
Learning the pledge of allegiance of Mexico in spanish has nothing to do with immigration policy.

Did you read the linked article? The students were also asked to learn "hispanic culture" (what a stupid term) and study Mexican Independence Day.
 
Mexican kids in US schools aren't even expected to say the US Pledge of Allegiance.

You know this how?

IMO, there should not be any Mexican students in US classrooms unless they're here on a proper visa. I canot understand why a school can't demand a student's birth certificate, etc. to at least reduce the number of illegal aliens in our public schools.
 
All of the children in my childs school are expected to say the pledge of allegiance. And actually they are graded on it when they first learn the words.
 
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