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HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

Eighty Deuce said:
Gotta luv the liberal response. Trying to turn her into an illegal immigrant sympathizing liberal is OK. God forbid she worship a Christain fairy.

Any doubt as to what is becoming so ****ed up with this country ?

I want the OWS folks to start to protest that everyone has to pay at least some income tax. Liberals need to be brought to some accountability like all the rest of us. Time to toe the line with the rest of us libs.
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This post borders on gibberish.
 
Pinkie said:
Again with the ugly remarks.

Not every latino in the US is here illegally; not every latino in the US is Mexican.
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Again with the uninformed ignorant remarks. Show us all where anyone said what you alleged. Or put down the bottle for the night.
 
Hatuey said:
Here's the point ludahai, it doesn't matter how much you scream this is indoctrination. It wasn't something kids were being forced to on a mass scale. It wasn't something they needed to do in order to remain in the school. It was an assignment. She didn't do it because she didn't like it? Good for her. Now she has an F. She's not being kicked out of class. She's not being told she can't come to school. She's not being ostracized by her community. She got an F. That's it.

Indoctrination is what christians do to their children. You know, force them to go to church. Force them to pray to some imaginary fairy. Force them to believe in something which makes no sense to rational adults.

That my old friend, is indoctrination. Refusing to do school work? Lol, that's just life.
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I screamed indoctrination? really? I think it was an inappropriate school assignment, but I didn't scream indoctrination.

As a parent, I believe the assignment was inappropriate. So, teachers may assign ANYTHING they want, no matter how inappropriate and it is acceptable because the student can simply take an 'F'? That isn't acceptable.
 
Hatuey said:
That's not the teacher's opinion. It's yours. Now tell me why I should care about your opinion?
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Because I am an American.

That's why you "should" care. I have no idea why you don't, yet you posted on this thread.
 
Pinkie said:
Because I am an American.

That's why you "should" care. I have no idea why you don't, yet you posted on this thread.
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Try again. That you were born American puts you even with an anchor baby. You have to earn the next rung on the ladder. Unless the libs gotta form somewhere that you can fill out and demand some kind of added benefit. :)
 
Pinkie said:
Because I am an American.

That's why you "should" care. I have no idea why you don't, yet you posted on this thread.
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As a teacher I have no idea why this assignment is appropriate. There are millions of topics to choose from. History. Historical figures. Events. Poetry. Art. Culture. Politics. But reciting a national anthem of another country as an assignment is ridiculous.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Again with the uninformed ignorant remarks. Show us all where anyone said what you alleged. Or put down the bottle for the night.
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This is a dumb way to debate. Just an FYI...
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Try again. That you were born American puts you even with an anchor baby. You have to earn the next rung on the ladder. Unless the libs gotta form somewhere that you can fill out and demand some kind of added benefit. :)
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Expalin how this makes sense or is relevant...
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Try again. That you were born American puts you even with an anchor baby. You have to earn the next rung on the ladder. Unless the libs gotta form somewhere that you can fill out and demand some kind of added benefit. :)
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My father was an immigrant, Deuce. I am an "anchor baby".

I have no idea what the rest of your post was meant to communicate.....sound and fury, signifying nothing, seems like.
 
Pinkie said:
Also stupid. Unless she's going to have to write it in Spanish. And even then, still stupid. Why Mexico?

All we ever had to write were translations, in Latin class.
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The class is Spanish. How is writing or speaking in Spanish about Spanish Culture in the world "stupid"? It is very appropriate. What is not appropriate is reciting another nations national anthem for any reason as an assignment. If the teacher wanted she could have taught them some Spanish using the anthem in an informal manner, but not as an assignment.
 
Pinkie said:
My father was an immigrant, Deuce. I am an "anchor baby".

I have no idea what the rest of your post was meant to communicate.....sound and fury, signifying nothing, seems like.
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You claimed that you deserved some added respect here because you were an "American". BFD in debate to be quite honest.

Here it is again for all the special folks. Someone asked why they should care about your opinion. Here is your reply:

Because I am an American.

That's why you "should" care. I have no idea why you don't, yet you posted on this thread.
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I know a lot of stupid Americans. Explain to us how your status as an American makes your opinion any more worthy ?

Otherwise, as they say "opinions are like assholes. We all got 'em".
 
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Pinkie said:
Also stupid. Unless she's going to have to write it in Spanish. And even then, still stupid. Why Mexico?

All we ever had to write were translations, in Latin class.
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Why NOT Mexico? It is a Spanish-speaking country, and the LARGEST one... it was also at the vanguard of the larger movement of independence in Spanish America in the early 19th century. I have no problems with this.
 
Bodhisattva said:
The class is Spanish. How is writing or speaking in Spanish about Spanish Culture in the world "stupid"? It is very appropriate. What is not appropriate is reciting another nations national anthem for any reason as an assignment. If the teacher wanted she could have taught them some Spanish using the anthem in an informal manner, but not as an assignment.
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I think her point was it's a class about learning a language, not history. How is writing a report on Spanish culture going to help her learn the language (unless, of course, the entire report has to be written in Spanish).
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Try again. That you were born American puts you even with an anchor baby. You have to earn the next rung on the ladder. Unless the libs gotta form somewhere that you can fill out and demand some kind of added benefit. :)
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She is American and states that this is why her opinion is relevant and you state that it isn't relevant since she has the same status as an "anchor baby" and needs to go up a rung on the ladder. That makes no sense as to why her opinion is not relevant. Explain how I am wrong.

Are you purposely using the term anchor baby in a negative manner?
 
Bodhisattva said:
The class is Spanish. How is writing or speaking in Spanish about Spanish Culture in the world "stupid"? It is very appropriate. What is not appropriate is reciting another nations national anthem for any reason as an assignment. If the teacher wanted she could have taught them some Spanish using the anthem in an informal manner, but not as an assignment.
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Well, I guess it is less inappropriate IMO. My question is, why Mexico? Why not Spain? And like you, why history/government rather than art, poetry or any subject the student chooses?

Isn't the goal for this kid to demonstrate a fluency with the language of Spanish, rather than the history and culture of Mexico?
 
ludahai said:
Why NOT Mexico? It is a Spanish-speaking country, and the LARGEST one... it was also at the vanguard of the larger movement of independence in Spanish America in the early 19th century. I have no problems with this.
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Well, I'm not geography whiz, but I don't believe you are correct.

If, by "largest" you mean highest population, I'd guess Spain is first. Spain is also the place where Spanish first developed and therefore, has the oldest "Spanish" culture.
 
Bodhisattva said:
She is American and states that this is why her opinion is relevant and you state that it isn't relevant since she has the same status as an "anchor baby" and needs to go up a rung on the ladder. That makes no sense as to why her opinion is not relevant. Explain how I am wrong.

Are you purposely using the term anchor baby in a negative manner?
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No. The question was "Why should I care" about your opinion. "Because I say so". or "Because I am an American" is weak.

You are wrong for a lot of reasons. The first is that you do not think very well.
 
ludahai said:
I wonder if she will get points docked off if she points out that the first two attempts at Mexican independence were failures... Still, THIS is a far more appropriate assignment.
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:lol:

Agreed...
 
Josie said:
I think her point was it's a class about learning a language, not history. How is writing a report on Spanish culture going to help her learn the language (unless, of course, the entire report has to be written in Spanish).
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Oh... good point. I assumed that the assignment would be written in Spanish. If it is, then I see no problem. I think that we need to assume that it is though...
 
Pinkie said:
You have to play the video to get this fact, but this is a 15 year old in a public HS in Texas, and the assignment was given in her Spanish class.

I think the student was correct. She was there to learn to speak SPANISH, a language spoken in over a dozen nations around the globe, including SPAIN. She will not be aided by learning "Hispanic culture", Mexican Independence Day facts, or the pledge of allegiance to another nation.

NOT EVERY SPANISH SPEAKER IS MEXICAN.

Lots of you have probably taken a second language class....have any of you ever been asked to learn and recite another nation's pledge of allegiance?
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I think saying the pledge of allegiance of the US is iffy enough. Another nation's pledge? Hell no. Did the kid get punished at all?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Oh... good point. I assumed that the assignment would be written in Spanish. If it is, then I see no problem. I think that we need to assume that it is though...
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Well, she's only 15. Do we know if this is an introductory Spanish class? I took 2 years of Spanish in high school and 2 semesters in college. There's no stinkin' way I could write even one intelligent, coherent paragraph in Spanish even after all that.
 
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