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Obama Sends U.S. Troops to Central Africa to Aid Campaign Against Rebel Group

Jetboogieman said:
Aiding a government in it's fight against the entire regions worst enemy using 100 armed advisors is very different from invading an entire nation without provocation resulting in the deaths of 10's of thousands of Iraqi's and hundreds of thousands in the resulting aftermath...

If you wanna use that big a strawman, go put it out on the field to scare crows away, cause it won't work here.
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I remember when Nam was just advisor's then all of a sudden you were ripped off your surf board and sent into some jungle to kill or be killed. How quickly you libs forget. As far as Iraq goes I guess your theory is let a homicidal murdering thug do his thing if he gets to big and powerful to easily stop. I think we tried that once in Europe with the rise of the Nazi party. How did that work out?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I remember when Nam was just advisor's then all of a sudden you were ripped off your surf board and sent into some jungle to kill or be killed. How quickly you libs forget. As far as Iraq goes I guess your theory is let a homicidal murdering thug do his thing if he gets to big and powerful to easily stop. I think we tried that once in Europe with the rise of the Nazi party. How did that work out?
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And now that you've godwinned the thread we can all stop taking you seriously.
 
Why now?

Why the United States?

Why not Europe?

The one term Marxist president Obama said this is in our national interest. What specific interest are we protecting? What would happen if we did not protect this specific national interest?

Why are all the people who did not see any value into regime change in Iraq all for this splendid little war?

Why are many of the people who oppose the use of US military force when it benefits us for this little war that will have no effect on the US whatsoever?

Why does this feel like a diversion?
 
Enola said:
Well, all I can say is "it's about damn time". A smidge too late for rwanda genocide...so many have already died. They don't have oil, either. So why send help now? No clue. But I am glad someone FINALLY is.
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Actually, Uganda has a large amount of natural resources (Uganda) such as "Copper, cobalt, hydropower, limestone, salt, phosphate, oil." Cobalt has many uses (Cobalt) (Idaho Cobalt - Cobalt Uses - Sat Oct 15, 2011) as does copper (Uses of Copper | Supply, Demand, Production, Resources)
 
Misterveritis said:
Why now?

Why the United States?

Why not Europe?

The one term Marxist president Obama said this is in our national interest. What specific interest are we protecting? What would happen if we did not protect this specific national interest?

Why are all the people who did not see any value into regime change in Iraq all for this splendid little war?

Why are many of the people who oppose the use of US military force when it benefits us for this little war that will have no effect on the US whatsoever?

Why does this feel like a diversion?
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Mind explaining to me how President Obama is a Marxist? As far as I can tell, he is a capitalist as his entire economic team was the "Bailout Bunch" (Obama's Bailout Bunch Brings Us More of the Same: Jonathan Weil - Bloomberg)
 
apdst said:
Religious Right? What's that? :lamo
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Fascist guerrillas who want to take over Uganda by force and run it based on the Ten commandments. To this end they kidnap children who are then forced/indoctrinated to fight for them. That's the disgusting what.
 
spud_meister said:
It certainly was, but that wasn't the reason given for the war, hence the opposition.
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on the contrary, there were three interlocking reasons given for that war, and that was indeed one of them.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Mind explaining to me how President Obama is a Marxist? As far as I can tell, he is a capitalist as his entire economic team was the "Bailout Bunch"
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you have "capitalism" confused with "corporatism". "capitalism" would have let those large institutions fail.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Then surly going into Iraq to stop Saddam from gassing Kurd villages, invading his neighbors, and killing any citizen of Iraq that opposed his rule was "the right thing to do".
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This thread is about one of the world's most insane and inhumane person humanity has ever seen, and how to deal with him. If you want to turn this into another anti-Obama slugfest, take it somewhere else. Please
 
I seriously can't believe everyone in this thread is patting Obama on the back. Yes, Africa/Congo/CAR is ****ed up. Has been for a long time. Yes, the Lord's Resistance Army is a horrendous organization. I'm surprised that few people, if any, here have mentioned mission creep. This is a throwback to the **** we were doing during the cold war - in Latin America, and in Vietnam (and I'm sure there are many other examples) before that blew up in our faces as well.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
So you are saying the real reson we are going there is war for resources?
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I never stated that at all.

EDIT: I was just saying that Uganda does in fact have oil.


Proud South Korean said:
This thread is about one of the world's most insane and inhumane person humanity has ever seen, and how to deal with him. If you want to turn this into another anti-Obama slugfest, take it somewhere else. Please
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Note: Change "person" to "people"
 

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Jetboogieman said:
Joseph Kony is one of the worst human rights villains on this planet today, his attrocities are among the worst ever committed by mankind.

Having said that I'm apprehensive about this mission, the Ugandan army has been fighting this guy for the better part of two decades, I don't think 100 US "Observers" are going to suddenly flush him out, and this seems quite honestly extremely random, like it was a sudden thought he had today... I dunno.

Anyway as I said, apprehensive, not sure why he's suddenly doing it and since it's going to happen anyway, I hope they catch the guy and nail him to a cross using the bayonets of his dead bodygaurds.
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Maybe he watched Lion King 3D with his kids? Got the calling :3

 
StillBallin75 said:
I seriously can't believe everyone in this thread is patting Obama on the back. Yes, Africa/Congo/CAR is ****ed up. Has been for a long time. Yes, the Lord's Resistance Army is a horrendous organization. I'm surprised that few people, if any, here have mentioned mission creep. This is a throwback to the **** we were doing during the cold war - in Latin America, and in Vietnam (and I'm sure there are many other examples) before that blew up in our faces as well.
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There is less likely to be mission creep in a case like this than there is in wars we enter for political reasons. In this case, the mission is pretty clearly defined (capture/kill Joseph Kony and disrupt the LRA's ability to operate), it is widely supported among both the governments and the people of the countries in question, and it doesn't require much manpower to pull it off.

If the US is going to intervene in other countries, this is exactly the type of place and situation where we can do a lot of good for very little cost. I'd much rather be involved here than in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, and Libya.
 
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cpwill said:
you have "capitalism" confused with "corporatism". "capitalism" would have let those large institutions fail.
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you have a Econ 101 textbook confused with reality.
 
Kandahar said:
There is less likely to be mission creep in a case like this than there is in wars we enter for political reasons. In this case, the mission is pretty clearly defined (capture/kill Joseph Kony and disrupt the LRA's ability to operate), it is widely supported among both the governments and the people of the countries in question, and it doesn't require much manpower to pull it off.

If the US is going to intervene in other countries, this is exactly the type of place and situation where we can do a lot of good for very little cost. I'd much rather be involved here than in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, and Libya.
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All wars are entered into for political reasons. If there's no political objective, it's totally pointless to become involved.
 
Proud South Korean said:
This thread is about one of the world's most insane and inhumane person humanity has ever seen, and how to deal with him. If you want to turn this into another anti-Obama slugfest, take it somewhere else. Please
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Which makes me wonder why some folks really had a problem with invading Iraq. Saddam Hussein was insane and inhumane. He murdered 300+ people. I doubt Joeseph Kony can boast such numbers.

Ultimately, we have to ask ourselves who we're going in to help fight the LRA.

Is it the Sudanese People's Liberation Army? They're fighting against the LRA, so we can list them among our, "allies", in the region.

GoSS: SPLA Commits Atrocities against Shilluk Civilians | Pachodo.org English Articles

Is it the Uganda People's Army? They've committed atrocities against the people of Uganda and are among our, "allies", that we're supporting.

Uganda: Army and Rebels Commit Atrocities in the North | Human Rights Watch
 
Kandahar said:
There is less likely to be mission creep in a case like this than there is in wars we enter for political reasons. In this case, the mission is pretty clearly defined (capture/kill Joseph Kony and disrupt the LRA's ability to operate), it is widely supported among both the governments and the people of the countries in question, and it doesn't require much manpower to pull it off.

If the US is going to intervene in other countries, this is exactly the type of place and situation where we can do a lot of good for very little cost. I'd much rather be involved here than in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, and Libya.
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We enter all wars for political reasons...
 
apdst said:
Which makes me wonder why some folks really had a problem with invading Iraq. Saddam Hussein was insane and inhumane. He murdered 300+ people. I doubt Joeseph Kony can boast such numbers.

Ultimately, we have to ask ourselves who we're going in to help fight the LRA.

Is it the Sudanese People's Liberation Army? They're fighting against the LRA, so we can list them among our, "allies", in the region.

GoSS: SPLA Commits Atrocities against Shilluk Civilians | Pachodo.org English Articles

Is it the Uganda People's Army? They've committed atrocities against the people of Uganda and are among our, "allies", that we're supporting.

Uganda: Army and Rebels Commit Atrocities in the North | Human Rights Watch
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This is one of those extremely rare instances where me and apdst agree, and that says something.
 
apdst said:
Which makes me wonder why some folks really had a problem with invading Iraq. Saddam Hussein was insane and inhumane. He murdered 300+ people. I doubt Joeseph Kony can boast such numbers.
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People were upset with Iraq because we entered under false pretenses and because it was a distraction from Afghanistan. If 9/11 hadn't happened and Bush or another president had argued that we should go into Iraq specifically in order to stop Saddam from being so insane and inhumane, the response to our invasion may have been much different.
 
theplaydrive said:
People were upset with Iraq because we entered under false pretenses and because it was a distraction from Afghanistan. If 9/11 hadn't happened and Bush or another president had argued that we should go into Iraq specifically in order to stop Saddam from being so insane and inhumane, the response to our invasion may have been much different.
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I think we all know better than that. :rofl
 
apdst said:
All wars are entered into for political reasons. If there's no political objective, it's totally pointless to become involved.
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I mean "political reasons" in the sense of doing something that advances the interests of the US government in some material way. I think those types of missions are more prone to mission creep, because our elected officials and military commanders often don't want to honestly state the mission objectives in the first place. Our recent foray into Libya was a good example of mission creep, and the humanitarian justifications were baloney used to disguise the fact that the US government simply wanted to get rid of Gaddafi for our own geopolitical reasons.

In contrast, getting involved in things like this where there isn't really any significant American interest at stake aside from altruism tend to go better because we are able to focus on the mission at hand. And unlike, say, Somalia, where we sided with a weak pro-American faction against a weak anti-American faction and ended up with a disaster, in this situation we are siding with the established governments of the countries in question against a small band of brutal murderers who everyone hates.
 
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apdst said:
I think we all know better than that. :rofl
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Do we though? Many Americans have a soft spot for humanitarian interventions... if they are done at the right time. If 9/11 had not happened and we were in a good, positive economic place, I could imagine people not having a big a problem with it if we went about it with other countries. (I personally wouldn't like it, but I have more conservative foreign policy preference than a lot of people anyway.)
 
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