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Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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Conservative said:
GDP has done what for employment and the debt during the Obama years?
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Those two stats are not comparable in that sense. Here is my impression of Conservative "debating":

Conservative: OMG Check out statistic A. Obama sucks.
Rational Person: That stat is not adjusted for inflation and when compared to this stat it is not bad.
Conservative: Who cares about inflation? Do you think the people of 1985 cared about inflation while they were unemployed?
Rational Person: That doesn't make sense.
Conservative: OMG check out this statistic B! Obama sucks!
Rational Person: Those numbers are eerily close to Reagan.
Conservative: Yeah but Reagan had to deal with inflation!
Rational Person: I thought you didn't care about inflation?
Conservative: OMG check out this statistic C! Obama is so bad!
Rational Person: Bush racked up almost the same amount of debt in the same amount of time!
Conservative: OMG check out this statistic A! Obama is so bad!
Rational Person: Didn't I already debunk statistic A? Here's why:...
Conservative: OMG check out statistic B!

Is there any chance he is just a spam bot that gets debunked and then posts the next random statistic he finds?
 
Conservative said:
Tax cuts cost nothing unless you can explain how you keeping more of your money is an expense to the govt?
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Now debt and deficit's don't matter to you? Aren't you dizzy yet?
 
Conservative said:
Why do you care about what someone else pays in taxes since tax revenue went up AFTER the Bush tax cuts were fully implemented, July 2003? The tax cuts didn't cause the debt during the Bush years, spending did. Over 5 trillion of the current debt was generated by the Democrat control of Congress from 2007 on
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George W. Bush rode into Washington almost eight years ago astride the horse of smaller government. He will leave it this winter having overseen the biggest federal budget expansion since Franklin Delano Roosevelt seven decades ago.
Big government gets bigger - Washington Times
As a result, Mr. Bush already is the first president in history to implement budgets that crossed the $2 trillion a year and $3 trillion a year marks. His final budget, which comes to an end Sept. 30, conceivably could near $4 trillion, depending on the final tab for the financial rescue.
Mr. Bush campaigned in 2000 on a pledge to reduce the size of government, continuing a trend that had been under way since the end of the Cold War. But since terrorists attacked the World Trade Center and Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001, he has done what he thought was necessary to keep the country safe. That commitment became a centerpiece of his 2004 convention speech: “Whatever it takes.”

Bush was sooooo great...
 
Conservative said:
You seem to have no problem with a 3.7 trillion dollar govt either. Demand is increased when people have more spendable income. Higher taxes mean lower spendable income so how does that create demand?
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You know nothing of marginal utility. And worse you don't have a clue a to what you are arguing.
 
winston53660 said:
You know nothing of marginal utility. And worse you don't have a clue a to what you are arguing.
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This is what you are supporting

Obama economic results in 2011,
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
 
poweRob said:
Now debt and deficit's don't matter to you? Aren't you dizzy yet?
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Obama economic results in 2011,
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
 
Jryan said:
George W. Bush rode into Washington almost eight years ago astride the horse of smaller government. He will leave it this winter having overseen the biggest federal budget expansion since Franklin Delano Roosevelt seven decades ago.
Big government gets bigger - Washington Times
As a result, Mr. Bush already is the first president in history to implement budgets that crossed the $2 trillion a year and $3 trillion a year marks. His final budget, which comes to an end Sept. 30, conceivably could near $4 trillion, depending on the final tab for the financial rescue.
Mr. Bush campaigned in 2000 on a pledge to reduce the size of government, continuing a trend that had been under way since the end of the Cold War. But since terrorists attacked the World Trade Center and Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001, he has done what he thought was necessary to keep the country safe. That commitment became a centerpiece of his 2004 convention speech: “Whatever it takes.”

Bush was sooooo great...
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Obama economic results in 2011,
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
 
Conservative said:
This is what you are supporting

Obama economic results in 2011,
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
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And you supported a president who during his tenure saw a loss in private sector employment.
 
Conservative said:
Obama economic results in 2011,
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
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Do you have some sort of quota for that garbage you post every day?
 
Conservative said:
This is what you are supporting

Obama economic results in 2011,
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
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debunked spam
 
Conservative said:
I won't be voting for Bush in 2012 and didn't vote for him in 2008
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Yet you voted for him at least twice despite his dismal performance on deficit spending and private sector employment even with a 678 billion dollar jobs plan
 
winston53660 said:
Yet you voted for him at least twice despite his dismal performance on deficit spending and private sector employment even with a 678 billion dollar jobs plan
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The alternative was Gore and Kerry, I chose wisely
 
Conservative said:
The alternative was Gore and Kerry, I chose wisely
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Congratulations. Your boy's economic results were astounding. Too bad you don't have the independence to go Libertarian. As much as I disagree with their platform, at least their are ideologically and economically consistent.
 
poweRob said:
Congratulations. Your boy's economic results were astounding.
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We will never know what Gore or Kerry's would be but we do know their legislative record and that tells me they would be worse
 
Zyphlin said:
Moderator's Warning:
Posting the exact same thing three times in a row is not needed and is borderline spamming. There's a multi-quote function for a reason, in part for something like this. Cease this kind of posting or consequences will come
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My apology, that was frustration setting in as the opposition seems to not want to address the actual results. Won't happen again
 
winston53660 said:
Yet you voted for him at least twice despite his dismal performance on deficit spending and private sector employment even with a 678 billion dollar jobs plan
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Who did you vote for? Oh, we're seeing it right now aren't we?
 
I was reading back over this thread and noticed that Conservative has had a rather formiddable foe in whysoserious. Good job, you young know-it-all. :D

While researching historical data on GDP figures, I came across this from About.com:

Recent GDP Trends:

In 2008 and 2009, the economy contracted for four consecutive quarters. The last time this happened? The Great Depression. The economy fell 1.8% in Q1 2008 with the Bear Stearns bailout, but resumed 1.3% growth by Q2. When the banking system imploded in the third quarter, the economy shrank 3.7%. The Lehman Brothers collapse delivered a crippling blow--the economy dropped 8.9% in Q4, contracting .3% for the year. GDP plummeted 6.4% in Q1 2009. By the second quarter, the economic stimulus package started to work: the economy shrank only .7% in Q2. It finally grew 2.2% in Q3 and 5.6% in Q4. (Source: GDP Current Statistics)

The financial crisis was worse than the 2000 recession, which was over by 2003 when the economy grew 2.5%. It expanded 3.6% in 2004, and was slowed only briefly (2.9%) by Hurricane Katrina in 2005. By March 2006, the economy peaked at 4.8%, driven by the housing bubble. By the end of the year, the economy only grew 2.7%.

When the housing bubble broke, the economy only grew 1.2% in the first quarter of 2007. A falling dollar boosted exports, spurring growth to 3.2% in the second and 3.6% in the third quarters. When the Subprime Mortgage Crisis hit in October, growth slowed to 2.1%. Overall, the economy expanded 2.1% in 2007.

GDP Outlook:

The Philadelphia Federal Reserve predicts that GDP will grow 1.7% in 2011, 2.6 percent in 2012, and 2.9 percent in 2013. That seems reasonably conservative for three reasons:

1. First, the $14 trillion national debt the U.S. is saddled with will limit further fiscal stimulus.

2. Home prices will stay flat through 2011, thanks to an 15-month pipeline of homes going into foreclosure.

3. Commercial real estate will experience continued weakness through 2011.

Unfortunately, growth needs to be 3% or greater to really stimulate job creation. Therefore, unemployment will probably stay at around 9% in 2011, which will limit demand and keep growth flat. Growth will come from companies that export to growing emerging market countries. (Source: Philadelphia Federal Reserve)

(Article updated September 5, 2011)
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Hmmmm...

So, to summarize:

- the Obama Stimulus bill did work!

- The President and Super Debt Committee Democrat's are right to "GO BIG" in deficit reduction

- Republicans should stop being obstructionist and pass the President's job's bill to spur job growth.
 
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