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Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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Conservative said:
You know, I don't remember any of our Founders standing in the middle of a sq asking for someone else to take care of them? I do remember them all to be self reliant and ready to take care of those in need. Whatever happened to those people? As I recall the purpose of that Central govt. was for defense and PROMOTING general welfare. That has been changed by politicians to provide for general welfare because they found that they can keep their job and their power by buying votes. Is that what you support?
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Buying votes conservative is more commonly called democracy, are you against democracy?
 
pbrauer said:
Buying votes conservative is more commonly called democracy, are you against democracy?
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Yeah, right, I also want to starve kids, kill seniors, and pollute the air, too. Keeping people dependent is a crime that destroys the human spirit, is that what you support?
 
Conservative said:
this is an American Decline

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
2010 2011
I II III IV I II
3.9 3.8 2.5 2.3 0.4 1.3

25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
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Still have that crap on your desktop, conservative?:lamo

Here is your American in decline:

aftertaxincome-cropped-proto-custom_28.jpg
 
pbrauer said:
Still have that crap on your desktop, conservative?:lamo

Here is your American in decline:

aftertaxincome-cropped-proto-custom_28.jpg
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Posted just like the redistribution of wealth liberal which is against everything this country stands for. You just don't get it all. It isn't the role of the Federal Govt. to take on personal responsibility issues, that is the role of the local community and charities. There was a time when people cheered success and individual wealth creation. What happened to those times? What is preventing your kids from becoming one of those evil rich people?

This is the greatest country on the face of the earth that is being destroyed by liberalism and the desire of people like you to redistribute wealth and penalize productivity and profit creation. I don't care what someone else makes or pays in taxes, why do you? How does that hurt you or your family? "Your" incompetent President is making things worsae
 
Conservative said:
this is an American Decline

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
2010 2011
I II III IV I II
3.9 3.8 2.5 2.3 0.4 1.3

25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
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Trying to divert attention again? :coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
Trying to divert attention again? :coffeepap
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Nope, included in those numbers are the 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans, 2.6 million fewer jobs and I could add actual unemployment of 16.5% today after spending record dollars and still getting these results today? When are you going to hold Obama accountable for his failures?
 
Conservative said:
Nope, included in those numbers are the 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans, 2.6 million fewer jobs and I could add actual unemployment of 16.5% today after spending record dollars and still getting these results today? When are you going to hold Obama accountable for his failures?
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Check out my cig....
 
Jryan said:
Check out my cig....
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Your sig is typical of you, providing information that you don't understand. Have you even looked at the Obama jobs bill that Republicans have blocked? How many union jobs are created by that stimulus program thus more union bucks that end up supporting Democrats?
 
Conservative said:
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Your sig is typical of you, providing information that you don't understand. Have you even looked at the Obama jobs bill that Republicans have blocked? How many union jobs are created by that stimulus program thus more union bucks that end up supporting Democrats?
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1) Cut
2) Paste
3) Get Debunked
4) Ssssspppppiiiiiinnnnn
5) Make personal insult

The step(s) you are on


I'll be nice to you today though conservative and give you a hint.

Not all states have unions...
 
Jryan said:
1) Cut
2) Paste
3) Get Debunked
4) Ssssspppppiiiiiinnnnn
5) Make personal insult

The step(s) you are on


I'll be nice to you today though conservative and give you a hint.

Not all states have unions...
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Let me give you a hint, who controls where the money goes for those teachers, fire fighters, and police? Is that the role of the Federal Govt?
 
Conservative said:
Let me give you a hint, who controls where the money goes for those teachers, fire fighters, and police? Is that the role of the Federal Govt?
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It can be, which I have proven to you before...

AKA Grants...
 
Jryan said:
It can be, which I have proven to you before...

AKA Grants...
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Grants? Ongoing grants? You really are naive. This is nothing more that kicking the can down the road and like the first stimulus plan supports and bails out union jobs thus refilling union coffers and PAC's that fund the upcoming Democrat campaigns.
 
Conservative said:
Grants? Ongoing grants? You really are naive. This is nothing more that kicking the can down the road and like the first stimulus plan supports and bails out union jobs thus refilling union coffers and PAC's that fund the upcoming Democrat campaigns.
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Thanks, you to pal.
 
Nice diatribe Boo but I’m a little confused. First you say “It's BS, too silly for any thinking person to accept.” Then you say “Few things are either all one way or another”. Is this the way you look at things?

I don’t agree with your opinion that his ‘lynch pin revolves around individuality and lack of using government to solve problems.’ I read it as the lack of individuality is his assertion. Obviously no one can individually provide national defense hence the ‘common purpose’ phrase. You again assert the same position in your post.

His examples are limited in this as his daily talking points are typically 1-2 minutes long which don’t allow for lengthy explanations.

You stated “Government...asked them to sacrifice. Now, this has nothing to do with individuality.” Was the sacrifice they asked NOT individual as well as collectively?

More than two-thirds of voters say the United States is declining, and a clear majority think the next generation will be worse off than this one, according to the results of a new poll commissioned by The Hill. (» Poll: 69% of Voters Say America Is in Decline - Big Government) This poll supports the ‘America in decline’ that you look for. But of course these are just American opinions and not CONCRETE proof, as if some such HARD evidence exists for a subjective concept.

It is not that I miss his point or am too tunnel minded to understand the underlying theme for I have witnessed this first hand for many years.
 
winston53660 said:
Spoken like middle management lackey who is dependent on the whims of a corporation.


:peace
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Have you ever noticed how the typical union member doesn't ever seem to move up OUT of the middle class? How they are always part of the '99%'? But the Union official sometimes does? Why is that?

And how about those "middle management lackeys", you ever notice how some of them move OUT of the middle class and some even become "1%ers"? Why is that?
 
Conservative said:
Posted just like the redistribution of wealth liberal which is against everything this country stands for. You just don't get it all. It isn't the role of the Federal Govt. to take on personal responsibility issues, that is the role of the local community and charities. There was a time when people cheered success and individual wealth creation. What happened to those times? What is preventing your kids from becoming one of those evil rich people?

This is the greatest country on the face of the earth that is being destroyed by liberalism and the desire of people like you to redistribute wealth and penalize productivity and profit creation. I don't care what someone else makes or pays in taxes, why do you? How does that hurt you or your family? "Your" incompetent President is making things worsae
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Not at all, I have my cut and paste too.

Private sector jobs gains/losses

YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec
2008 Gain/
Loss		4-128-87-186-240-217-265-317-434-491-787-636
2009 Gain/
Loss		-841-721-787-773-326-438-287-215-213-250-34-102
2010 Gain/
Loss		-42-21144229486593110109143128167
2011 Gain/
Loss		94261219241997515617
 
pbrauer said:
Not at all, I have my cut and paste too.

Private sector jobs gains/losses

YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec
2008 Gain/
Loss		4-128-87-186-240-217-265-317-434-491-787-636
2009 Gain/
Loss		-841-721-787-773-326-438-287-215-213-250-34-102
2010 Gain/
Loss		-42-21144229486593110109143128167
2011 Gain/
Loss		94261219241997515617
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Then prove my numbers wrong, you do know what net means, right? Explain why there are 2.6 million fewer workers today than when Obama took office and why there are more unemployed today than when he took office. I am sure you believe your chart is positive but if you generated those numbers at the expense that Obama generated you would be fired especially since the bottomline is worse than when he took office.
 
Dickieboy said:
Have you ever noticed how the typical union member doesn't ever seem to move up OUT of the middle class? How they are always part of the '99%'? But the Union official sometimes does? Why is that?

And how about those "middle management lackeys", you ever notice how some of them move OUT of the middle class and some even become "1%ers"? Why is that?
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It could be they went and joined the crooks on Wall Street trading worthless derivatives. Yes, it could be that, indeed.
 
Conservative said:
Then prove my numbers wrong, you do know what net means, right? Explain why there are 2.6 million fewer workers today than when Obama took office and why there are more unemployed today than when he took office. I am sure you believe your chart is positive but if you generated those numbers at the expense that Obama generated you would be fired especially since the bottomline is worse than when he took office.
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You do realize credit was tighter than the skin on a drum when Obama took office, I've told you this before, did you forget? Put that one on you desktop so you don't forget next time.
 
pbrauer said:
It could be they went and joined the crooks on Wall Street trading worthless derivatives. Yes, it could be that, indeed.
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Yes, yes indeed...it could be that. OR maybe not...to use a recent quote on this thread 'Few things are either all one way or another'.

Thanks Boo.
 
Conservative said:
Nope, included in those numbers are the 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans, 2.6 million fewer jobs and I could add actual unemployment of 16.5% today after spending record dollars and still getting these results today? When are you going to hold Obama accountable for his failures?
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Becareful, you'll be going to step five any second now. Woudln't it be better to address the post? :coffeepap
 
Conservative said:
Spoken like someone who is reliant on the union for everything they have and wants it that way. No wonder we have a problem in this country today
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Spoken like someone who can't refute points and has to resort to namecalling.
 
Conservative said:
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Your sig is typical of you, providing information that you don't understand. Have you even looked at the Obama jobs bill that Republicans have blocked? How many union jobs are created by that stimulus program thus more union bucks that end up supporting Democrats?
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Says the guy who constantly has his claims proven wrong.
 
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