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Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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Conservative said:
Stop while you are behind. Do you know the procedure for amending the Constitution?
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Is it? :

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
 
Eighty Deuce said:
You can demonize Bush all you want for not doing a good job while President, but that does not change the fact that Obama has only made it worse. Obama is so in over his head, so inept, and had all his initiatives be such colossal failures .............. the only question is when do liberals finally realize he was a mistake ? A giant mistake.
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Seems that is what they all want to do and that only is an attempt to divert from the failure that Obama is. They just cannot admit that Obama has made a fool of them and will never admit that the choice of Obama was a mistake.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
You can demonize Bush all you want for not doing a good job while President, but that does not change the fact that Obama has only made it worse. Obama is so in over his head, so inept, and had all his initiatives be such colossal failures .............. the only question is when do liberals finally realize he was a mistake ? A giant mistake.
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It's compare and contrast. I never actually said Bush was a bad president for posting the same numbers, I am just pointing out that he did. If one president posts a "bad GDP growth" and it makes him a poor leader, then shouldn't that hold true for any other president?
 
whysoserious said:
Definition of a Political Hack


If you use one number to make one president look bad, but then defend another president who posted the same number who happens to be of the same party as you, then you might be a political hack (Jeff Foxworthy joke - heyooo).
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That would mean that I am part of the political party apparatus, please prove that to be the case? I defend Bush only because you divert from the Obama record and the poor choice you made. It will be the Obama record on the ballot in 2012 and not a comparison to Bush.
 
Conservative said:
That would mean that I am part of the political party apparatus, please prove that to be the case? I defend Bush only because you divert from the Obama record and the poor choice you made. It will be the Obama record on the ballot in 2012 and not a comparison to Bush.
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Can you not just admit it? Take that number off of your little list, and I won't bring it up again. That, or admit it makes Bush a bad leader as well. You can't have it both ways.
 
whysoserious said:
It's compare and contrast. I never actually said Bush was a bad president for posting the same numbers, I am just pointing out that he did. If one president posts a "bad GDP growth" and it makes him a poor leader, then shouldn't that hold true for any other president?
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Think the public is going to compare the Obama performance to Bush in Nov. 2012? Did you ever see Bush try to divide the country by attemting to demonize one class of people over another? Did you ever see Bush demonizing individual wealth creation? Do you think the role of a leader is to divide?
 
whysoserious said:
Can you not just admit it? Take that number off of your little list, and I won't bring it up again. That, or admit it makes Bush a bad leader as well. You can't have it both ways.
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Yes, I can admit that I am not part of the political party apparatus and have no affiliation with the Republican Party at all. I am a conservative and proud of it. I grew up a Democrat but the party left me when it had no use for conservatives. My bet is I have voted for more Democrats than you have voted Republicans. The Republican Party is closer to my ideology than the Obama/Reid/Pelosi Democratic Party. What number do you want me to take off my list? What numbers have I posted that are wrong?
 
Conservative said:
Yes, I can admit that I am not part of the political party apparatus and have no affiliation with the Republican Party at all. I am a conservative and proud of it. I grew up a Democrat but the party left me when it had no use for conservatives. My bet is I have voted for more Democrats than you have voted Republicans. The Republican Party is closer to my ideology than the Obama/Reid/Pelosi Democratic Party. What number do you want me to take off my list? What numbers have I posted that are wrong?
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Your insinuation that .4% and 1.3% somehow implicate Obama as a bad leader. That, or admit that those same numbers are dark spots on Bush's record as well.
 
What number do you want me to take off my list? What numbers have I posted that are wrong?
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I see that case of beer is coming along ;). I posted that are wrong hehe.
 
whysoserious said:
Your insinuation that .4% and 1.3% somehow implicate Obama as a bad leader. That, or admit that those same numbers are dark spots on Bush's record as well.
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The GDP numbers are what they are and alone don't implicate Obama as a bad leader but do show a trend that isn't very positive and shows that his economic policy is a failure. There is more than enough information to prove that he is a poor leader.

Leaders don't divide people and that is all Obama does. Leaders cannot delegate responsibility and that is all Obama does, you can delegate authority but not responsibility. Leaders don't blame others for their own failures. Leaders take office and the challenges of that office instead of claiming the previous leader drove the bus into a ditch when he was part of the group driving that bus.
 
Conservative said:
The GDP numbers are what they are and alone don't implicate Obama as a bad leader but do show a trend that isn't very positive and shows that his economic policy is a failure. There is more than enough information to prove that he is a poor leader.

Leaders don't divide people and that is all Obama does. Leaders cannot delegate responsibility and that is all Obama does, you can delegate authority but not responsibility. Leaders don't blame others for their own failures. Leaders take office and the challenges of that office instead of claiming the previous leader drove the bus into a ditch when he was part of the group driving that bus.
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What non-sense.... fine then here is my suggestion. Hows about instead of blocking every single proposal that has come out of the Democratic caucus, even ones that have historically enjoyed republican support.... Why not support the idea of giving him enough rope to hang himself... let him put his plans into action so you can show the country just what a failure they are. If his proposals really are as bad as the right claim wouldn't this be the strategy that would most guarantee a republican victory? The fact that they are refusing to take any action leads me to believe that they recognize that many of his proposals would actually benefit our ailing economy and if put into play, particularly after being blocked for so long, that it would adversely effect republicans for a long time.
 
Swit said:
What non-sense.... fine then here is my suggestion. Hows about instead of blocking every single proposal that has come out of the Democratic caucus, even ones that have historically enjoyed republican support.... Why not support the idea of giving him enough rope to hang himself... let him put his plans into action so you can show the country just what a failure they are. If his proposals really are as bad as the right claim wouldn't this be the strategy that would most guarantee a republican victory? The fact that they are refusing to take any action leads me to believe that they recognize that many of his proposals would actually benefit our ailing economy and if put into play, particularly after being blocked for so long, that it would adversely effect republicans for a long time.
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The results show he has already hung himself so why take millions more with him. He had total control of the Congress for two years and had a filibuster proof Senate part of that time and the results are as I posted. why do you believe this jobs bill will make any difference at all? It isn't the Federal Government's role to save State jobs and vice versa but that is what Obama wants. If the GOP Signs on to the job's bill who picks up the cost of those jobs once the Federal Money runs out?
 
Conservative said:
The results show he has already hung himself so why take millions more with him. He had total control of the Congress for two years and had a filibuster proof Senate part of that time and the results are as I posted. why do you believe this jobs bill will make any difference at all? It isn't the Federal Government's role to save State jobs and vice versa but that is what Obama wants. If the GOP Signs on to the job's bill who picks up the cost of those jobs once the Federal Money runs out?
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I still suggest giving him the rope.... if what you say is true it would cement republican victories for years to come.
 
And lets face it none of the Republican candidates have a snowballs chance in hell of winning
 
Swit said:
I still suggest giving him the rope.... if what you say is true it would cement republican victories for years to come.
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What part of being broke do you not understand?
 
Swit said:
And lets face it none of the Republican candidates have a snowballs chance in hell of winning
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As long as people ignore the results and buy the rhetoric you are right, but the 39% JAR seems to say the people are waking up
 
Conservative said:
As long as people ignore the results and buy the rhetoric you are right, but the 39% JAR seems to say the people are waking up
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Uhmm the result is we xame back from at its lowest a -9% GDP and losing 750k jobs per month at its worst.
 
winston53660 said:
Uhmm the result is we xame back from at its lowest a -9% GDP and losing 750k jobs per month at its worst.
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I can see the 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans TODAY standing and cheering. Just think of what that unemployment rate will look like if he continues to get more and more people to drop out of the labor force. We could get back to 5% in a hurry.
 
Swit said:
What non-sense.... fine then here is my suggestion. Hows about instead of blocking every single proposal that has come out of the Democratic caucus, even ones that have historically enjoyed republican support.... Why not support the idea of giving him enough rope to hang himself... let him put his plans into action so you can show the country just what a failure they are. If his proposals really are as bad as the right claim wouldn't this be the strategy that would most guarantee a republican victory? The fact that they are refusing to take any action leads me to believe that they recognize that many of his proposals would actually benefit our ailing economy and if put into play, particularly after being blocked for so long, that it would adversely effect republicans for a long time.
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Have you been napping ? Obama had majorities in both Houses, to include 60 Senators. He got enough rope. He hung himself already.

Jeeezus Christ you folks are delusional. Obama sucks as President. Admit it !
 
winston53660 said:
Uhmm the result is we xame back from at its lowest a -9% GDP and losing 750k jobs per month at its worst.
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Are you suggesting that we would have kept losing 750K jobs per month ? That the recession would have kept auguring into the depths of Hell had not Obama been elected ? Do you have any idea how completely and utterly stupid such notions are ?

We could have elected Mr Potato Head and the recession would have bottomed out. Trouble is, with Obama, it stayed there. Where is Mr. Potato Head when you need him for Chrissakes ?
 
Eighty Deuce said:
That is complete BS ! WTF is a "liberal value" ? Show me where the Founders embodied a "liberal value" in the Constitution !!!
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PB thinks opposing a monarchy and a centralized government that taxed people too much is the same as pushing for a more centralized federal government with more taxes
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Are you suggesting that we would have kept losing 750K jobs per month ? That the recession would have kept auguring into the depths of Hell had not Obama been elected ? Do you have any idea how completely and utterly stupid such notions are ?

We could have elected Mr Potato Head and the recession would have bottomed out. Trouble is, with Obama, it stayed there. Where is Mr. Potato Head when you need him for Chrissakes ?
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A lot of economists do think it would have been a lot worse without the bailouts and stimulus. I do not know that any of you have posted any better ideas to fix the economy, and yet most of you are in here wanting to hang Obama because he inherited a recession.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Have you been napping ? Obama had majorities in both Houses, to include 60 Senators. He got enough rope. He hung himself already.

Jeeezus Christ you folks are delusional. Obama sucks as President. Admit it !
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And during that time he had to triage the economy then spent the rest of the time on health care legislation.... you can argue that it was the wrong priority to tackle but that was what he used his near super-majority for.
(58 if you include the independents that still caucused with the Democrats) source
and during this time the filibuster was in fact the standard tactic for each and every proposal put forth by either the white house or the democratic caucus
 
whysoserious said:
A lot of economists do think it would have been a lot worse without the bailouts and stimulus. I do not know that any of you have posted any better ideas to fix the economy, and yet most of you are in here wanting to hang Obama because he inherited a recession.
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What is the excuse for the numbers today over two years AFTER the end of the recession? As you pointed out, GDP Growth was pretty good right after the recession ended with close to 4% growth yet that growth dropped every quarter and is now under 2% with the Obama economic policy and record low interest rates. Why can't you admit that Obama's economic policies are a complete failure?
 
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