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Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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Conservative said:
Then you should love the opportunity to prove that I am "lying" again. Go for it

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
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This is Obama's fault?
 
When Obama spews lies that the "rich don't pay their fair share" I discount everything else that POS liar utters
 
winston53660 said:
I can think of three times off hand that you have been busted on that. Yet you persist on continuing that fallacious claim.
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Go for it

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
 
Conservative said:
Then you should love the opportunity to prove that I am "lying" again. Go for it

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
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How are you not embarrassed to post that? I walked all over you yesterday, and you somehow didn't even notice it. You showed the world that you didn't even understand inflation, or why adjusting for inflation is necessary. You showed us that you didn't even know when the fiscal year begins, which is when the previous president's budget ends. You showed us that you don't care that Bush had worse numbers than Obama (even during a normal economic period his GDP numbers were worse), but you that doesn't bother you. You showed us that you have no idea how the job market works and why people are out of work.

As far as hacks go, you're the definition. Even your own base doesn't like your posts, because they're all based off a list that you stole from some conservative blog and you do not even understand the numbers anyway. Take some time to learn what you are talking about, and maybe then people will give a **** what you have to say. For now, you're just a troll, I'll point it out every time you post.
 
Conservative said:
Go for it
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Go for what?

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
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Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
Now conservative:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-u...post1059891740 (Opposition to Obama grows - strongly)

1) cut
2) paste
3) get debunked
4) spiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnn
5) make personal insult
 
Conservative said:
Go for it

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
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You already got called out on this in another thread.
 
whysoserious said:
How are you not embarrassed to post that? I walked all over you yesterday, and you somehow didn't even notice it. You showed the world that you didn't even understand inflation, or why adjusting for inflation is necessary. You showed us that you didn't even know when the fiscal year begins, which is when the previous president's budget ends. You showed us that you don't care that Bush had worse numbers than Obama (even during a normal economic period his GDP numbers were worse), but you that doesn't bother you. You showed us that you have no idea how the job market works and why people are out of work.

As far as hacks go, you're the definition. Even your own base doesn't like your posts, because they're all based off a list that you stole from some conservative blog and you do not even understand the numbers anyway. Take some time to learn what you are talking about, and maybe then people will give a **** what you have to say. For now, you're just a troll, I'll point it out every time you post.
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Made it easy for you, gave you the location of the data. You are indeed a legend in your own mind. Inflation doesn't matter in elections only the results posted, but keep trying to divert.

Stolen from some conservative blog? Prove it. I do my own DD and got that data at the sites I gave you. You have yet to prove the numbers I posted are wrong.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
You already got called out on this in another thread.
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Calling me out and proving them wrong are two different things, go for it as I even gave you the site where you can find the numbers.

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
 
winston53660 said:
Go for what?
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Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
Now conservative:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-u...post1059891740 (Opposition to Obama grows - strongly)

1) cut
2) paste
3) get debunked
4) spiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnn
5) make personal insult[/QUOTE]

The sites are listed, prove the numbers wrong

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
 
Conservative said:
Made it easy for you, gave you the location of the data. You are indeed a legend in your own mind. Inflation doesn't matter in elections only the results posted, but keep trying to divert.

Stolen from some conservative blog? Prove it. I do my own DD and got that data at the sites I gave you. You have yet to prove the numbers I posted are wrong.
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Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
Now conservative:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-...n-obama-grows-strongly-59.html#post1059891740

1) cut
2) paste
3) get debunked
4) spiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnn
5) make personal insult
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Could you please address ALL OF THIS POST.
 
Conservative said:
Made it easy for you, gave you the location of the data. You are indeed a legend in your own mind. Inflation doesn't matter in elections only the results posted, but keep trying to divert.

Stolen from some conservative blog? Prove it. I do my own DD and got that data at the sites I gave you. You have yet to prove the numbers I posted are wrong.
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Oh, you gave it to me? Wow, you're such a genius. Here is the google search for "GDP growth by year":

Google Search: "GDP Growth By Year"

Holy ****! Look at what is second on the list! Wow, you really worked hard to find that website. Great job! But those unemployment numbers were difficult as well:

Google Search: US Unemployment By Year

Wow, who would have thunk, it is the first thing on the list! Damn, you sir, are a pro at finding data, that's for sure. Anyway, you're right, adjusting for inflation doesn't matter (even though the numbers you are using are adjusted for inflation, you were just not sharp enough to notice) because people like you read the numbers and have no idea what they are looking at.
 
Jryan said:
Could you please address ALL OF THIS POST.
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The sites address the post but of course those sites are of no interest to you. Every bit of data I posted is 100% accurate and verifiable. Those are the numbers that matter. Do you believe that the voters are going to care about GDP adjusted for inflation or the .4% and 1.3% GDP growth? You think the unemployment numbers are adjusted for inflation? How about the debt service on the debt, adjusted for inflation? How about the misery index, adjusted for inflation? Think that the U-6 number of 16.5% which equates to over 25 million unemployed/under employed numbers is adjusted for inflation?
 
Conservative said:
The sites address the post but of course those sites are of no interest to you. Every bit of data I posted is 100% accurate and verifiable. Those are the numbers that matter. Do you believe that the voters are going to care about GDP adjusted for inflation or the .4% and 1.3% GDP growth? You think the unemployment numbers are adjusted for inflation? How about the debt service on the debt, adjusted for inflation? How about the misery index, adjusted for inflation? Think that the U-6 number of 16.5% which equates to over 25 million unemployed/under employed numbers is adjusted for inflation?
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But that's just it, data is meaningless without context. You do understand that, right? That's like a basic tenet of statistics.
 
whysoserious said:
Oh, you gave it to me? Wow, you're such a genius. Here is the google search for "GDP growth by year":

Google Search: "GDP Growth By Year"

Holy ****! Look at what is second on the list! Wow, you really worked hard to find that website. Great job! But those unemployment numbers were difficult as well:

Google Search: US Unemployment By Year

Wow, who would have thunk, it is the first thing on the list! Damn, you sir, are a pro at finding data, that's for sure. Anyway, you're right, adjusting for inflation doesn't matter (even though the numbers you are using are adjusted for inflation, you were just not sharp enough to notice) because people like you read the numbers and have no idea what they are looking at.
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I gave you the sites, but as usual you pick what you want to use when BLS and BEA show the numbers posted. "Your" President will be running against those numbers and I understand how disappointed and frustrated you must be
 
Here, I'll help you.

This is what your response should look like:
It's turning around the Bush train-wreck of a trend as seen here:
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Source: bea.gov.... Ouch. That must hurt.
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Some response proving that post wrong placed here.

Fixing Bush's trends yet again as noted here:
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Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics. Don't that just suck for you?
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Some response proving that post wrong here.
So now conservatives give a **** about jobs when all their bills seem to revolve around abortion. Better tell the Koch Brother's Tea Party Express to stop emailing small businesses and telling them not to hire just to make political points...

Tea Party Group Says Small Businesses Should Stop Hiring to Hurt Obama
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Some response proving that post wrong here.
And this has been debunked so many times its not even worth broaching yet again.
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Some response proving that post wrong here.
A Republican problem as noted by the S&P who did the downgrading...

Why S&P’s Downgrade is No Joke
The real impact of S&P’s downgrade is political, not economic.

Republicans played chicken with the debt limit and the S&P themselves said that was the reason why they downgraded. Yes, it was the Republican's fault.
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Some response proving that post wrong here.
Then you end with misery index and Job approval ratings which you should be doing a dance over but neither will unseat Obama with any of the GOP candidates out there right now. Due to your marriage to party politics, 2012 is going to be an extremely painful year for you.


You have a cut and paste board with about three things on it. Repeating debunked garbage ad nauseam doesn't make them all the sudden become more viable. Consider your cut and paste garbage defeated and move on.

Folks, anytime you see him cutting and pasting this really debunked stupid **** in the future, just come to this thread copy and paste mine and throw it back in his face.
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Finally, some response proving that post wrong here.
 
whysoserious said:
But that's just it, data is meaningless without context. You do understand that, right? That's like a basic tenet of statistics.
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sad to say, but no, he does not understand that.
 
whysoserious said:
But that's just it, data is meaningless without context. You do understand that, right? That's like a basic tenet of statistics.
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No, sorry, it is in context that matters to the voters. Think that the voters are going to put GDP in 2005 numbers? How about answering the other questions? You have yet to prove those numbers aren't posted on the sites I gave you nor have you explained how the voter is going to take those numbers out of context. Good luck. It must suck to be a liberal. What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty?
 
Jryan said:
Here, I'll help you.

This is what your response should look like:


Some response proving that post wrong placed here.



Some response proving that post wrong here.


Some response proving that post wrong here.


Some response proving that post wrong here.


Some response proving that post wrong here.


Finally, some response proving that post wrong here.
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How you coming on proving that Bush spent 14.8 TRILLION dollars? I wouldn't be cherrypicking information as you dodge the screwup you made
 
Okay, lets try this. I was wrong about Bush racking up 14.8 trillion dollars (solely responsible). Don't spin that now. Okay, now it is your turn Conservative.
 
Conservative said:
I gave you the sites, but as usual you pick what you want to use when BLS and BEA show the numbers posted. "Your" President will be running against those numbers and I understand how disappointed and frustrated you must be
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What? No, I posted historical context to your numbers. You do realize that you took each category of data, picked one nice round number that you liked, and posted it up. So yeah, you have 6 real statistics there, but you don't realize that they are meaningless until you attach meaning to them. You have no context. Ok, 25 million are unemployed, how many were unemployed when he took office? Which way was employment trending when he took office? GDP, what was it when he took office and which way was it trending when he took office? What is the average GDP growth in normal eras and eras of recession?

That's using data. You aren't using data, you cherry picked 5-6 statistics and posted them up with a smug look on your face.
 
Jryan said:
Okay, lets try this. I was wrong about Bush racking up 14.8 trillion dollars (solely responsible). Don't spin that now. Okay, now it is your turn Conservative.
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Yes, you were wrong, now prove that the numbers I posted aren't at the sites I gave you. Let me help you here are the GDP numbers posted at bea.gov

Table 1.1.1. Percent Change From Preceding Period in Real Gross Domestic Product


[Percent] Seasonally adjusted at annual rates
Bureau of Economic Analysis
Last Revised on: July 29, 2011 - Next Release Date August 26, 2011

First qtr 2011 .4%
2nd Qtr 2011 1.3%
 
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whysoserious said:
What? No, I posted historical context to your numbers. You do realize that you took each category of data, picked one nice round number that you liked, and posted it up. So yeah, you have 6 real statistics there, but you don't realize that they are meaningless until you attach meaning to them. You have no context. Ok, 25 million are unemployed, how many were unemployed when he took office? Which way was employment trending when he took office? GDP, what was it when he took office and which way was it trending when he took office? What is the average GDP growth in normal eras and eras of recession?

That's using data. You aren't using data, you cherry picked 5-6 statistics and posted them up with a smug look on your face.
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That is your opinion, still waiting for you to prove that the numbers aren't at the site I gave you as well as aren't in context that the voters won't be using in Nov. 2012
 
Conservative said:
Yes, you were wrong, now prove that the numbers I posted aren't at the sites I gave you. Let me help you here are the GDP numbers posted at bea.gov

Table 1.1.1. Percent Change From Preceding Period in Real Gross Domestic Product


[Percent] Seasonally adjusted at annual rates
Bureau of Economic Analysis
Last Revised on: July 29, 2011 - Next Release Date August 26, 2011

First qtr 2011 .4%
2nd Qtr 2011 1.3%
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Oh no, they are 100% right, see the post directly above the one you posted. (Hint: Post #896)

BTW, you have officially ruined my SC2 live stream night :). All I wanted to do was watch Blizzcon/Trump :(.
 
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Conservative said:
Yes, you were wrong, now prove that the numbers I posted aren't at the sites I gave you. Let me help you here are the GDP numbers posted at bea.gov

Table 1.1.1. Percent Change From Preceding Period in Real Gross Domestic Product


[Percent] Seasonally adjusted at annual rates
Bureau of Economic Analysis
Last Revised on: July 29, 2011 - Next Release Date August 26, 2011

First qtr 2011 .4%
2nd Qtr 2011 1.3%
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But those are wayyyy up from the previous years. You conveniently leave that out. Again, even during one of the worst recessions since the Great Depression, Obama has had better a better mean GDP growth per year than Bush did over his entire 8 year tenure. I showed you those numbers a few pages back.
 
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