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Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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Schools also get state assistance which is their main assistance. We don't have a federal school system thus we shouldn't have taxpayers funding state teachers.

So you are for cutting spending on a federal level for schools? Even if that means teachers get payed less and the school can't afford new text books?
 
So you are for cutting spending on a federal level for schools? Even if that means teachers get payed less and the school can't afford new text books?


Are you for the Federal Government owning the means of production whether it be a school, or a factory?

j-mac
 
...the majority of the country apparently, as 63% of the country supports the American Jobs Act.

How many of the 63% do you think have read the bill? Given the solid reporting we get from the media today I'm sure their opinion is based on the jaded view of whichever news source the public prefers thus affecting the poll. Essentially one could interchange 'opinion' with 'poll' as in 'everyone has one' thus questioning their accuracy.
 
How many of the 63% do you think have read the bill? Given the solid reporting we get from the media today I'm sure their opinion is based on the jaded view of whichever news source the public prefers thus affecting the poll. Essentially one could interchange 'opinion' with 'poll' as in 'everyone has one' thus questioning their accuracy.

If you watch MSNBC or Fox News, then yeah. If you read the Wallstreet Journal, then no.
 
How many of the 63% do you think have read the bill? Given the solid reporting we get from the media today I'm sure their opinion is based on the jaded view of whichever news source the public prefers thus affecting the poll. Essentially one could interchange 'opinion' with 'poll' as in 'everyone has one' thus questioning their accuracy.

Catawba touts himself as a liberal, wonder how Catawba feels about one of the biggest Democrat liberals in history, FDR, not supporting public unions? That is what this job's bill does, keeps union employees employed for another year which just kicks the can down the road and circumvents states' rights and responsibilities.
 
So you are for cutting spending on a federal level for schools? Even if that means teachers get payed less and the school can't afford new text books?

If you cut federal spending that means SHOULD be able to cut federal receipts. The reduction of federal receipts will leave more resources at the local/state level to be spent on teacher pay and new text books. Consider the effectivenesss of LOCAL schools spending their money on what they KNOW they need to spend it on vs the FG deciding from a more distant view. Also consider the increase associated with a straighter, shorter line of financing (less bureaucracy).
 
If you cut federal spending that means SHOULD be able to cut federal receipts. The reduction of federal receipts will leave more resources at the local/state level to be spent on teacher pay and new text books. Consider the effectivenesss of LOCAL schools spending their money on what they KNOW they need to spend it on vs the FG deciding from a more distant view. Also consider the increase associated with a straighter, shorter line of financing (less bureaucracy).

Yes, because the federal government doesn't give them money. They raise the teachers salaries directly and send the schools textbooks in the mail... Wrong, they give them money which is requested, and then the local school board decides where that money is spent... Their has to be bureaucracy btw to stop government corruption. It is called a redundency system. Also, not every state (as I have pointed out) has capital like the state next to it.
 
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That is what this job's bill does, keeps union employees employed for another year which just kicks the can down the road and circumvents states' rights and responsibilities.

As CT said 'did you read the bill'? If so your statement should be MUCH more broad that it is. Section 4 is the 'buy American' provision that will help USW, etal. disporportionatly. Section 5 is the 'wage rate and employment protection' provision that enforces Davis-Bacon wage rates which, as I'm sure you know, typically force employers to pay wages equal to the regional prevailing UNION wage. Since a large portion of the Jobs Act is infrastructure, school renovation and building these costs will extend much further than the one year you suppose.
 
Also, not every state (as I have pointed out) has capital like the state next to it.

If they don't have capital why do they need schools?
 
Huh? Why not? Don't you have "Socialist" as your lean right under your name?


j-mac

I'm leaning socialist because I think the government should own cable/power companies.
 
As CT said 'did you read the bill'? If so your statement should be MUCH more broad that it is. Section 4 is the 'buy American' provision that will help USW, etal. disporportionatly. Section 5 is the 'wage rate and employment protection' provision that enforces Davis-Bacon wage rates which, as I'm sure you know, typically force employers to pay wages equal to the regional prevailing UNION wage. Since a large portion of the Jobs Act is infrastructure, school renovation and building these costs will extend much further than the one year you suppose.

It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that anything this President does in terms of spending money is going to his support base like Unions, and alike. Everyone else can as Maxine Waters said "Go straight to hell!"

j-mac
 
...and then the local school board decides where that money is spent... Their has to be bureaucracy btw to stop government corruption. It is called a redundency system.

But couldn't the money that the school board spend the money that is collected at the local level (which most of it is) just as well? There HAS to be a bureaucracy??? This is one of the most ridiculous statements I have seen lately! It is the bureaucracy that PROMOTES government corruptions. When you add levels of 'oversight' the enable the confusion that allows corruption.
 
But couldn't the money that the school board spend the money that is collected at the local level (which most of it is) just as well?

What I'm arguing is that certain school systems may not have the tax income to support the school. Does that mean we just say, "Sorry 6 year old, have a nice illiterate life."
 
Err typo, I meant economy/income in taxes.

Again if they don't have the economy/tax base why do they need schools? Economy/income in taxes is population driven. If the population is not sufficent to support taxes adequate for schools then they must consolidate with adjacent areas until adequate resources are available to support said school. Just because they want a 'local' school is not sufficient reason for other areas to financially support their 'want' via federal tax redistribution.
 
Money is being spent so wisely from the first stimulus bill, I can't imagine why anyone is opposed to spending more:

Federal agencies are spending stimulus money at the rate of $196 million an hour. And they will do so every hour for the next eight months until a September 30, 2010, deadline.

Grassley said he fears much of the money is going to some individuals and businesses that don't qualify for it and projects that do not serve taxpayers best interests. Judge for yourself:

-- $233,000 to the University of California at San Diego to study why Africans vote. Jobs created: 12, but seven of those are Africans in Africa.

-- In Nevada, $2 million in stimulus money built a new fire station, but because of budget cuts, the county can't afford to hire firefighters to work there.

-- Penn State University got $1.5 million to study plant fossils in Argentina. Of 5 jobs created, 2 belong to Argentines.

-- Researchers the State University of New York at Buffalo got $389,000 to pay 100 Buffalonians $45 each to record how much malt liquor they drink -- and how much pot smoke each day. Consumption is then reported via an automated phone hotline. Cost per job: almost $200,000.

-- The Obama administration is spending $5 billion to weatherize homes. But one Texas county spent $4 million to weatherize just 47 homes. That's $78,000 per house. Each retrofit is supposed to save homeowners $500 a year in energy costs. That means taxpayers will recoup their investment in 156 years, long after the home is probably torn down.

-- Two Arizona universities got almost $1 million dollars so 3 grad students can study how ants work. That's more than $300,000 per job.

-- Companies that raise tropical fish, shellfish, catfish, alligators and even turtles qualify for $50 million in tax money to buy fish food.

-- North Carolina public schools received $4.4 million to hire math and literacy coaches, not for students, but teachers. That's 64 people paid $70,000 each to teach teachers how to teach reading and math.

Read more: Millions In Stimulus Spending Being Doled Out For Questionable Jobs | Fox News
 
I'm leaning socialist because I think the government should own cable/power companies.

That's it? One sector, and you consider yourself a Socialist? Man, and we are not supposed to understand what socialism is......heh, heh....


j-mac
 
American Jobs Bill?

From ABC News, today:
With the approval of the Obama administration, an electric car company that received a $529 million federal government loan guarantee is assembling its first line of cars in Finland, saying it could not find a facility in the United States capable of doing the work.

Vice President Joseph Biden heralded the Energy Department's $529 million loan to the start-up electric car company called Fisker as a bright new path to thousands of American manufacturing jobs. But two years after the loan was announced, the job of assembling the flashy electric Fisker Karma sports car has been outsourced to Finland.

As the Car Talk guys might say BOGUS!

ABC Uncovers Scandal: Electric-Car Companies Using Federal Money To Create American Jobs | Media Matters for America

ABC News has published a lengthy article on its website that misleadingly suggests taxpayers are being ripped off because a car company that got a federal loan guarantee is assembling its vehicles in Finland. The story is headlined "Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland."

In fact, the article reports that the company, Fisker Automotive, has created 100 auto-plant jobs in Delaware in addition to 500 manufacturing jobs in Finland. Fisker's founder also told ABC that his company has spent the federal money it has received on marketing, engineering, and design work done in the United States, not on the Finnish jobs.

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