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Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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zgoldsmith23 said:
You are talking about fact checking... Ironic.

You still haven't apologized for the blatant lie I caught you in a few pages back.
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You are a legend in your own mind, Reagan cut Income taxes over 3 years and took govt. revenue from 345 billion to 566 billion and you cannot explain why? Such passion for increasing taxes. Must be a student in college not out in the real world funding that bloated federal govt. that Obama is expanding?
 
Conservative said:
You are a legend in your own mind, Reagan cut Income taxes over 3 years and took govt. revenue from 345 billion to 566 billion and you cannot explain why? Such passion for increasing taxes. Must be a student in college not out in the real world funding that bloated federal govt. that Obama is expanding?
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Even now, you prefer to be ignorant. $345 billion x 2 doesn't equal $566 billion. Therefore, he didn't double revenues. That's a lie.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
Even now, you prefer to be ignorant. $345 billion x 2 doesn't equal $566 billion. Therefore, he didn't double revenues. That's a lie.
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Here is what you are missing, Reagan took office in January 1981 during the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression, 17.5PLUS interest rates, double digit inflation, rising unemployment and total malaise on the part of the American people. He submitted a three year tax cut proposal that wasn't passed until the end of fiscal year 1981(August 1981) putting that into effect in fiscal year 1982. Here are the revenue numbers

1981 345.2
1982 354.1
1983 352.3
1984 377.4
1985 417.3
1986 437.2
1987 489.1
1988 504.9
1989 566.1


Note govt. revenue growth from 1983-1989 and had that economic plan been put into place as requested or as quickly as Obama's was then the numbers would have indeed been doubled. Keep denying reality.
 
Conservative said:
Here is what you are missing, Reagan took office in January 1981 during the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression, 17.5PLUS interest rates, double digit inflation, rising unemployment and total malaise on the part of the American people. He submitted a three year tax cut proposal that wasn't passed until the end of fiscal year 1981(August 1981) putting that into effect in fiscal year 1982. Here are the revenue numbers

1981 345.2
1982 354.1
1983 352.3
1984 377.4
1985 417.3
1986 437.2
1987 489.1
1988 504.9
1989 566.1


Note govt. revenue growth from 1983-1989 and had that economic plan been put into place as requested or as quickly as Obama's was then the numbers would have indeed been doubled. Keep denying reality.
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... doesn't matter how you try and fix the numbers, $345.2 x 2 STILL doesn't equal $566.1. You are the one denying the math.

I don't have a problem admitting those are his numbers.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
... doesn't matter how you try and fix the numbers, $345.2 x 2 STILL doesn't equal $566.1. You are the one denying the math.

I don't have a problem admitting those are his numbers.
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Keep diverting from the results, govt. revenue grew, 17 million jobs created and GDP doubled. Compare those numbers to today? Amazing how those are the numbers then but the numbers today don't matter. That is liberalism
 
Conservative said:
Keep diverting from the results, govt. revenue grew, 17 million jobs created and GDP doubled. Compare those numbers to today? Amazing how those are the numbers then but the numbers today don't matter. That is liberalism
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Straw man. Again, I am not arguing about Reagan vs. Obama, if you'd like to, go make a thread. I am simply addressing your false claims about his FIT revenue "doubling" when it clearly did not.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
Straw man. Again, I am not arguing about Reagan vs. Obama, if you'd like to, go make a thread. I am simply addressing your false claims about his FIT revenue "doubling" when it clearly did not.
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Those Reagan results show that his Administration wasn't a myth per the other thread topic but show that the Obama policies have been a failure. His STimulus 1 was a failure and now you want us to pass Stimulus 2, why? What makes you think Stimulus 2 will have better results than stimulus 1? You cannot see the bigger picture, can you?
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
... doesn't matter how you try and fix the numbers, $345.2 x 2 STILL doesn't equal $566.1. You are the one denying the math.

I don't have a problem admitting those are his numbers.
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Perhaps ..... but Obama would do anything for Reagan's economic turnaround in his first term.
 
Conservative said:
Those Reagan results show that his Administration wasn't a myth per the other thread topic but show that the Obama policies have been a failure. His STimulus 1 was a failure and now you want us to pass Stimulus 2, why? What makes you think Stimulus 2 will have better results than stimulus 1? You cannot see the bigger picture, can you?
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Off topic much? You keep diverting away from the fact you missed the basic math.
 
Gill said:
Perhaps ..... but Obama would do anything for Reagan's economic turnaround in his first term.
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No doubt about it, but Obama is a leftwing ideologue that has zero leadership skills. His ego is too big to change and to lead. He doesn't have a clue as his resume showed. Too many bought the rhetoric and ignored that resume.
 
Smokified said:
The point of my comment is that there is not one concrete reason that anyone can say is the sole responsibility for the jobs market crash AS YOU HAD ASKED FOR. Just because you ask some stupid question that has no real answer does not mean that you have won some sort of debate. Whatever the many reasons may be, as you could see from the chart I showed you, the jobs market went straight to hell from the onset of democrat control of congress. These were questions that YOU asked, and yet you choose to ignore the real answers when you are provided them? You are not here to "debate" anything, you are here to be a little prick that has no intention of having an open mind and learning anything. YOU are what is the problem with America to it's very core. YOU and all of the closed minded, willingly ignorant fools that plague our society. YOU are the one that is not interested in what is best for everyone, YOU are the one that is simply trying to "win". Pathetic.
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I'll take that as a no, you cannot answer the question.
 
Catawba said:
I'll take that as a no, you cannot answer the question.
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In 2012 we are going to have a choice, Obama vs. the Republican Candidate. It will be the Obama record on the ballot and based upon that record there is no justification to vote for him. Aside from the fact that many bought the rhetoric in the first place, now we have actual results that show his resume to be accurate. No true leader divides the country and generates the following, 4.2 trillion added to the debt, 2.6 million net job losses, 25+ million unemployed and under employed Americans, rising misery index, meager economic growth, declining labor force, and promotion of class warfare/redistribution of wealth.

Until you recognize that you are part of the problem there never will be a solution.
 
Conservative said:
In 2012 we are going to have a choice, Obama vs. the Republican Candidate.
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Yes, it is a pity there is no liberal in the running, so once more we have a choice between the lesser if two evils.
 
Catawba said:
Yes, it is a pity there is no liberal in the running, so once more we have a choice between the lesser if two evils.
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Liberalism has created the problems we have today and you want more of it? We have a 14.8 trillion dollar debt most of it due to social spending and yet that isn't enough? What ever led you to believe that liberal social engineering has ever led to solving any social problems yet the liberal answer is tax more thus we have more money to throw at the problem.
 
Conservative said:
Liberalism has created the problems we have today and you want more of it? We have a 14.8 trillion dollar debt most of it due to social spending and yet that isn't enough? What ever led you to believe that liberal social engineering has ever led to solving any social problems yet the liberal answer is tax more thus we have more money to throw at the problem.
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Spoken as a true Bush apologist. Why is your answer always to try to same failed trickle down economics and expect different results every time?
 
hazlnut said:
How many Republicans voted for it? Republicans from high-unemployment states. You know, those with constituents that need job, need the bill, need their Reps to do the right thing and stop trying to play partisan game to get the black man out of the White house.

oops.... Nice fail, though.
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Being as though the senate is DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED, do you really think you are posing any kind of argument by simply focusing on the republicans that blocked the bill while ignoring that the democrats could have passed it without them? Who do you think you are fooling here?
 
Smokified said:
Being as though the senate is DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED, do you really think you are posing any kind of argument by simply focusing on the republicans that blocked the bill while ignoring that the democrats could have passed it without them? Who do you think you are fooling here?
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McConnell offered a straight up or down vote and Reid declined.
 
Conservative said:
In 2012 we are going to have a choice, Obama vs. the Republican Candidate. It will be the Obama record on the ballot and based upon that record there is no justification to vote for him. Aside from the fact that many bought the rhetoric in the first place, now we have actual results that show his resume to be accurate. No true leader divides the country and generates the following, 4.2 trillion added to the debt, 2.6 million net job losses, 25+ million unemployed and under employed Americans, rising misery index, meager economic growth, declining labor force, and promotion of class warfare/redistribution of wealth.

Until you recognize that you are part of the problem there never will be a solution.
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What exactly was Bush running on?
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
You are talking about fact checking... Ironic.

You still haven't apologized for the blatant lie I caught you in a few pages back.
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Him not apologizing for being wrong about something is not an exucse for you to ignore the real facts... There are other people here who can also see through your obvious attempts at dodging the truth... If you want things to be better for everyone, stop being such a closed minded partisan hack and start paying attention. You and your little liberal friends alwas resort to making the argument personal as soon as you are presented with facts that shoot down your argument. Whether you want to believe the facts or not, you are still the idiot for being wrong on purpose.
 
Smokified said:
Him not apologizing for being wrong about something is not an exucse for you to ignore the real facts... There are other people here who can also see through your obvious attempts at dodging the truth... If you want things to be better for everyone, stop being such a closed minded partisan hack and start paying attention. You and your little liberal friends alwas resort to making the argument personal as soon as you are presented with facts that shoot down your argument. Whether you want to believe the facts or not, you are still the idiot for being wrong on purpose.
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When did I ignore the facts? I didn't say Obama > Reagan. I didn't say Reagan didn't increase revenues with his tax cuts. I called him out on his blatant failure at basic math. Try again.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
In 2004...
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Bush ran on an improving economy, check. Improving employment picture, check. rising labor force, check. Running against John Kerry, check. But what relevance does that have today?
 
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