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Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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"Gallup showed that a 45 percent plurality of Americans support it, as did a 43 percent plurality in a recent CNN/ORC survey. Within that jobs plan there are popular individual proposals -- a CBS/New York Times poll on Friday showed majorities supported all the components tested. It has the feeling of a brick-by-brick strategy: the President can build his standing on the economy by singling out issues that are popular on their own."
So he has almost all of the people who also do not pay for government. 47% pay no federal income tax. And 45% support the president. It fits, I think.
 
You're questions weren't directed at me, but I'd like to take a shot at answering them anyway.

First off, I'm not trying to take any of your earnings from you and I doubt that most people view taxation in that way.
Really? I do not believe you.

Second, I seriously doubt anyone's trying to enslave you or anyone else for that matter,
How do you define a condition where one person is forced to labor for the benefit of another? I call it slavery? I suspect you call it Marxist progressive taxation.

Third as stated in my first statement, you're not working for anyone's benefit but your own and that of your family.
No. I work for my benefit only about half of my life. The other half I work for the city, county, state and Federal government with the feds taking most. That is slavery.
 
2 million jobs lost is better than 4 million jobs lost, that the stimulus prevented, and we also have improvements to our infrastructure, and improvement in stocks that are attributable to the stimulus.
I prefer that fairy tales begin in the usual fashion. "Once upon a time...the one term Marxist president Obama saved or created 2 million jobs..."
Except that he really didn't. He did create a slush fund that supported public sector unions and helped to fill his campaign coffers.
 
Freedom and liberty are awesome. The Arab Spring, not so much. Why do you believe the Muslim Brotherhood is for freedom? Have you not read the Koran? Have you not seen what happens when Islamofascists have their way with a country?

I don't let flights of fancy make me all skeered. I prefer to let other countries choose what they determine to be freedom. Glad to see we are beginning to pull support from regimes that oppress people.
 
Here's another example of the protesters. This is what it is about if you are truly interested in knowing.



You are kidding, right? What is your poposal? What is the solution to the problem? Mine is to fire Obama, what is yours? This guy was very well spoken but what did he say and propose? You have to have solutions and neither you or any of the protesters have offered any. All talk and no action seems to be the liberal position.
 
I don't let flights of fancy make me all skeered. I prefer to let other countries choose what they determine to be freedom. Glad to see we are beginning to pull support from regimes that oppress people.

You are judged by the people who support your cause, the Nazi Party, the Communist Party, and the Socialist Party. That says a lot about the OWS protest and all I need to know. I grew up with almost nothing but learned personal responsibility and to work hard. I did that and am now one of those people that are classified as the evil rich. I give more to charity than you probably make in a year so why should I be forced to send more money to D.C. so they can waste it and create more debt? You offer no solutions, you just whine and complain. How is that hope and change working out for you?
 
You are kidding, right? What is your poposal? What is the solution to the problem? Mine is to fire Obama, what is yours? This guy was very well spoken but what did he say and propose? You have to have solutions and neither you or any of the protesters have offered any. All talk and no action seems to be the liberal position.

He was very clear about the solutions needed: knocking on doors, building a movement, taxing the rich, re-regulation of banks, holding the wall street bankers accountable for the debacle, and jobs, jobs, jobs!
 
He was very clear about the solutions needed: knocking on doors, building a movement, taxing the rich, re-regulation of banks, holding the wall street bankers accountable for the debacle, and jobs, jobs, jobs!

no, he wasn't clear at all because none of what he says makes any sense nor will that create the jobs you claim you want. Where is the incentive to create jobs when you tax the rich more? Where does that money go? Regulating the banks does what to create jobs? What laws did Wall Street Break and how will more regulations create more jobs? I don't think you really think things through now give me solutions that make sense.
 

Sorry, didn't see any of those groups out at the T.E.A. Party Rallies. Didn't see any T.E.A. Party protesters arrested nor trashing the area they used to protest. Also saw a unified message from the T.E.A. Parties, not a group of malcontents who cannot compete in society and want an entitlement state funded mostly by someone else.
 
no, he wasn't clear at all because none of what he says makes any sense nor will that create the jobs you claim you want. Where is the incentive to create jobs when you tax the rich more? Where does that money go? Regulating the banks does what to create jobs? What laws did Wall Street Break and how will more regulations create more jobs? I don't think you really think things through now give me solutions that make sense.

It makes perfect sense, that is why a majority of the country approves of Obama's jobs plan. Our own history shows us that the incentive to get rich didn't somehow disappear when tax rates for the rich were even double what they are today. The money goes for creating jobs until the market place can recover. That is the number 1 priority. Reinstating the Glass-Steagall Act keeps commercial banks and investment banks from combining and creating wild speculation that brought about the Great Depression and the Great recession, which cost us millions of jobs. These are all things that most of us see clearly, and more and more that are willing to stand up and protest. Day 31 today.
 
It makes perfect sense, that is why a majority of the country approves of Obama's jobs plan. Our own history shows us that the incentive to get rich didn't somehow disappear when tax rates for the rich were even double what they are today. The money goes for creating jobs until the market place can recover. That is the number 1 priority. Reinstating the Glass-Steagall Act keeps commercial banks and investment banks from combining and creating wild speculation that brought about the Great Depression and the Great recession, which cost us millions of jobs. These are all things that most of us see clearly, and more and more that are willing to stand up and protest. Day 31 today.

You confuse plurality with a majority in that I have not seen over 50% support the job plan. I am still waiting for you to explain your solution how to the problem. How is taxing the rich going to create jobs? How is penalizing Wall Street going to create jobs? Reinstating Glass-Steagall that Clinton signed does what? Do you believe it is the government's role to create jobs? If so how do you explain the Obama record of adding 4.2 trillion to the debt and having a 2.6 million net JOB LOSS?

What I see quite clearly are leftwing groups who want revolution not reforms. I see deadbeat, braindead leftwing activists trying to destroy the U.S. economy and capitalism. Support for this group is misguided and short sighted but like with everything else people like you need to learn the hard way.
 
You confuse plurality with a majority in that I have not seen over 50% support the job plan. I am still waiting for you to explain your solution how to the problem. How is taxing the rich going to create jobs?

You do not understand the definition of plurality even though I provided it to you directly. Eliminating the tax breaks for the rich can fund jobs temporarily, stimulating the economy, just as proposed in the Jobs Act.

How is penalizing Wall Street going to create jobs?

Holding those accountable for their speculation with people's life savings will help prevent future recessions and depressions which result in massive unemployment.

Reinstating Glass-Steagall that Clinton signed does what?
I just told you, it does not allow commercial banks to combine with investment banks.

Do you believe it is the government's role to create jobs?

As a temporary measure when the private market is unable to do so, which it has been for the last 5 years.

If so how do you explain the Obama record of adding 4.2 trillion to the debt and having a 2.6 million net JOB LOSS?

Your numbers are bogus and have been disproved over and over.

What I see quite clearly are leftwing groups who want revolution not reforms. I see deadbeat, braindead leftwing activists trying to destroy the U.S. economy and capitalism. Support for this group is misguided and short sighted but like with everything else people like you need to learn the hard way.

Yes you see all sorts of things that aren't there.
 
Catawba;1059880522]You do not understand the definition of plurality even though I provided it to you directly. Eliminating the tax breaks for the rich can fund jobs temporarily, stimulating the economy, just as proposed in the Jobs Act.

Do you not understand that polls can be manipulated depending on the way the question is asked but I haven't seen a poll where the popularity of the program was over 50% until the question was skewe. Elminating tax breaks on the rich puts the money where? How do you know what the rich do with their money? How do you know what I do with mine? As stated I'll bet I give more to charity than you make plus I know where my money goes. Do you know where yours goes?

Holding those accountable for their speculation with people's life savings will help prevent future recessions and depressions which result in massive unemployment.

How about govt. speculation with your tax dollars, Solyndra and Sun Power? How about govt. greed and keeping people dependent? Your belief in the liberal style of govt. has failed all over the world yet you want that misery here?

I just told you, it does not allow commercial banks to combine with investment banks.

Do you have a 401K? Where is that money invested?

As a temporary measure when the private market is unable to do so, which it has been for the last 5 years.

when the govt. creates jobs it is funded by tax dollars and that creates debt. Obama has added 4.2 trillion to the debt and has a net job loss of 2.6 million

Your numbers are bogus and have been disproved over and over.

you have proven nothing only that you are brainwashed in your opinion. The Treasury Dept is the keeper of the books and shows the debt increased by 4.2 trillion since Obama took office

Debt by year

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

Yes you see all sorts of things that aren't there.

I see reality, apparently you don't
 
Ten years of taxes to pay for one year of bailouts for public employees, and more money laundering for Obama's millionaire bundlers is not recovery.
 
You speak of buffers while "better long term solutions" are being made up, but I ask you do you really believe that Barack Obama is working on "better long term solutions?" Do you trust that Obama is really doing that?

Well, let's see...

- Expedite U.S. pattents in order to promote new products and spur domestic manufacturing. Two important components to improve GDP could come out of this: consumption and exports....check.

- trade deals with India, Korea and South America: Increased manufacturing and again exports...check.

Now, if he can work on long-term tax reform and immigration reform, I'd think he'd have a the country on a path toward long-term economic sustainability.

50% there...not bad.
 
Ten years of taxes to pay for one year of bailouts for public employees, and more money laundering for Obama's millionaire bundlers is not recovery.

And you were okay with 8 years of no new taxes to pay for two wars and an unfunded prescription drug program? Again, you guys act like the deficit only occurred since January 20, 2009. Get real!!!
 
No, conservatives were not OK Medicare D.

Obama will create more debt than all who came before him, with nothing to show for it.
 
And you were okay with 8 years of no new taxes to pay for two wars and an unfunded prescription drug program? Again, you guys act like the deficit only occurred since January 20, 2009. Get real!!!

Deficits are created between October 1 and Sept 30 of each year, debt is cumulative. Obama has added 4.2 trillion to the ebt, where is your outrage? The wars cost 1.4 trillion over 10 years or 140 a year. It is frustrating to see so many people misinformed.
 
No, conservatives were not OK Medicare D.

Obama will create more debt than all who came before him, with nothing to show for it.

Sure he does,

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 2.6 million fewer jobs, 4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. 38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings.
 
And you were okay with 8 years of no new taxes to pay for two wars and an unfunded prescription drug program? Again, you guys act like the deficit only occurred since January 20, 2009. Get real!!!

Well, its kind of a problem as Obama raised discretionary spending by 25%, has increased the debt by almost $5 trillion in three years, and we got nothing to show for it except one dumb-ass President.

Wanna buy a solar panel ?
 
I don't let flights of fancy make me all skeered. I prefer to let other countries choose what they determine to be freedom. Glad to see we are beginning to pull support from regimes that oppress people.
No problem. You choose not to see.
 
Well, let's see...

- Expedite U.S. pattents in order to promote new products and spur domestic manufacturing. Two important components to improve GDP could come out of this: consumption and exports....check.

- trade deals with India, Korea and South America: Increased manufacturing and again exports...check.
So let's just pass those parts.
 
So, instead of keeping our cities streets safe from crime - because as we all know once the economy begins to faulter, the crime rate esculates - you'd rather not provide the States any aid to keep cops on the beat?

Look, I totally understand your point and Conservative's on this "State's rights" matter, but if the states are just barely starting to get their financial houses in order, why would you be opposed providing them with the financial aid they need to continue to protect and serve the public's interest?

As for the call to cut spending, I'd say trimming an initial $1.5T over 10-years is a damned good start; and the President has asked for more...upwards of another $3.5T. You can find the President's Deficit Reduction Plan at Whitehouse.gov.

If I steal $100 from you, and then give you back $50, are you going to be grateful to me for being so generous as to have given you that $50?

Keep in mind that government cannot give anything to anyone without first taking it from someone.

Rather than giving money to the states for specific purposes, it would be better if the federal government didn't take that money from them in the first place. Rather than me giving you $50, wouldn't you much prefer that I not take the $100 from you?
 
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