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Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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you have no answer for catawba, no way to refute what he posted, so instead, back to the same ol' same ol'....pathetic

He has no interest in what the majority of the country chooses, so he must keep ignoring them, and the fact there is a an election coming up.
 
He has no interest in what the majority of the country chooses, so he must keep ignoring them, and the fact there is a an election coming up.

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
 
Hey, take your best shot, prove the numbers I have posted are wrong?

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)

I think his tactic now is to just keep posting this over and over and over again until we stop responding. That way if someone comes in they will see him with last post.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-...n-obama-grows-strongly-59.html#post1059891740

1) Cut
2) Paste

3) Get Debunked
4) Ssssspppppiiiiiinnnnn
5) Make Personal Insult
 
He has no interest in what the majority of the country chooses, so he must keep ignoring them, and the fact there is a an election coming up.
he keeps proving, again and again, that he has no understanding of statistics, of data, or how to read and interpret them....to borrow a term he likes to throw around, it makes him look 'foolish'....perhaps he should enroll in a statistical analysis class, educate himself, maybe take it in tandem with that 'civics' class he claims that others need. just sayin'
 
I think his tactic now is to just keep posting this over and over and over again until we stop responding. That way if someone comes in they will see him with last post.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-...n-obama-grows-strongly-59.html#post1059891740

1) Cut
2) Paste

3) Get Debunked
4) Ssssspppppiiiiiinnnnn
5) Make Personal Insult

I assume then that you have no interest in trying to prove me wrong and that the data I have posted is false. My work then is done with you. Have a good one. Join randel and winston in the irrelevant file. Thought you might be interested in a little challenge, apparently not. Keep buying the liberal rhetoric and never verify what you are told. The liberal elite loves people like you.
 
I assume then that you have no interest in trying to prove me wrong and that the data I have posted is false. My work then is done with you. Have a good one. Join randel and winston in the irrelevant file. Thought you might be interested in a little challenge, apparently not. Keep buying the liberal rhetoric and never verify what you are told. The liberal elite loves people like you.

So, for example, if I gave you a set of coordinates on a graph and then said interpret, what would you tell me? I'm assuming you would just read off the coordinates and give me a confused look. When you look at data you have to interpret it or else it is just numbers. Data is useless without the human brain to interpret it.
 
I assume then that you have no interest in trying to prove me wrong and that the data I have posted is false. My work then is done with you. Have a good one. Join randel and winston in the irrelevant file. Thought you might be interested in a little challenge, apparently not. Keep buying the liberal rhetoric and never verify what you are told. The liberal elite loves people like you.
1) Cut
2) Paste
3) Get Debunked
4) Ssssspppppiiiiiinnnnn
5) Make Personal Insult


wow, managed to get steps 4 and 5 in on one post, impressive
 
So, for example, if I gave you a set of coordinates on a graph and then said interpret, what would you tell me? I'm assuming you would just read off the coordinates and give me a confused look. When you look at data you have to interpret it or else it is just numbers. Data is useless without the human brain to interpret it.

Why don't you interpret the 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans? Tell me how the voter will interpret that data since it is higher than when he took office and Bush never had those kind of numbers? What is there to interpret? It is what it is? How about interpreting the 2.6 million fewer employed today than when he took office. How about interpreting the declining GDP in 2011 vs. 2010? Maybe you could interpret for me the 4.2 trillion added to the debt added by this Administration and the results generated? Be my guest, give it your best shot because that is what the voter will be doing in Nov. 2012
 
Also conservative, you should add the EXACT link to where you got your data, that way we can make sure you aren't pulling it off a Employment/Wage/Hours worked graph.
 
Hey, take your best shot, prove the numbers I have posted are wrong?

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)

It's already been explained to you many times. Somehow you manage to not know it. :coffeepap
 
Why don't you interpret the 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans? Tell me how the voter will interpret that data since it is higher than when he took office and Bush never had those kind of numbers? What is there to interpret? It is what it is? How about interpreting the 2.6 million fewer employed today than when he took office. How about interpreting the declining GDP in 2011 vs. 2010? Maybe you could interpret for me the 4.2 trillion added to the debt added by this Administration and the results generated? Be my guest, give it your best shot because that is what the voter will be doing in Nov. 2012

http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-...n-obama-grows-strongly-59.html#post1059891740

The only thing, imho, that he didn't debunk are these 3:

Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)

Again, those 3 aren't debunked by HIM, that doesn't give your argument anymore merit.
 
Also conservative, you should add the EXACT link to where you got your data, that way we can make sure you aren't pulling it off a Employment/Wage/Hours worked graph.

You can do to bls.gov, home page, click on home page, unemployment, under unemployment click on national unemployment, then on current unemployment page go to the bottom and click on top picks. That allows you to see whatever chart you want and for whatever period of time you want
 
http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-...n-obama-grows-strongly-59.html#post1059891740

The only thing, imho, that he didn't debunk are these 3:

Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)

Again, those 3 aren't debunked by HIM, that doesn't give your argument anymore merit.

He debunked it why, because he said so? You have no idea what those charts showed and where the data came from for those charts but because you were told they were accurate you bought it. If I told you they were accurate you wouldn't believe it so why do you believe what you were told. Get the facts yourself
 
The political dilemma of the party of just-say-no-to-jobs:

The Job Situation Tops Deficit Reduction as Top Economic Worry for Most Americans

"The number of Americans worried most about the job situation has been on the increase since March when it was 34 percent. Those worried most about the deficit peaked in May and July, at 28 percent and 29 percent respectively, before declining to the current 22 percent."

jobs-vs-deficit-90711.jpg
 
It's already been explained to you many times. Somehow you manage to not know it. :coffeepap

No, it was explained with liberal diversion and double speak thus downright lies. Prove me wrong and be a hero.
 
No, it was explained with liberal diversion and double speak thus downright lies. Prove me wrong and be a hero.

:lamo :lamo Which is conservative speak for I don't want to have to answer, so Im leaping to step 5. :lamo :lamo
 
He debunked it why, because he said so? You have no idea what those charts showed and where the data came from for those charts but because you were told they were accurate you bought it. If I told you they were accurate you wouldn't believe it so why do you believe what you were told. Get the facts yourself

If you don't think his facts are right, by all means, prove them wrong. But if you want to sit here and tell me to go prove something wrong that I think is right; then, you have lost your mind.
 
The political dilemma of the party of just-say-no-to-jobs:

The Job Situation Tops Deficit Reduction as Top Economic Worry for Most Americans

"The number of Americans worried most about the job situation has been on the increase since March when it was 34 percent. Those worried most about the deficit peaked in May and July, at 28 percent and 29 percent respectively, before declining to the current 22 percent."

jobs-vs-deficit-90711.jpg

No question about it, jobs will be on the ballot in 2008 and no President in modern history post 1950 has ever been re-elected with unemployment higher than 8%. The current Obama unemployment is over 9.7% when you add discourged workers back where they belong into unemployment. You keep buying Obama rhetoric and ignoring Obama results. Obama tells you what you want to hear and because he is a liberal you cannot accept the fact that he is lying to you.
 
No question about it, jobs will be on the ballot in 2008 and no President in modern history post 1950 has ever been re-elected with unemployment higher than 8%. The current Obama unemployment is over 9.7% when you add discourged workers back where they belong into unemployment. You keep buying Obama rhetoric and ignoring Obama results. Obama tells you what you want to hear and because he is a liberal you cannot accept the fact that he is lying to you.

If you don't trust the government so much, how do you justify pulling statistics off of their sites?
 
No question about it, jobs will be on the ballot in 2008 and no President in modern history post 1950 has ever been re-elected with unemployment higher than 8%. The current Obama unemployment is over 9.7% when you add discourged workers back where they belong into unemployment. You keep buying Obama rhetoric and ignoring Obama results. Obama tells you what you want to hear and because he is a liberal you cannot accept the fact that he is lying to you.

Odd to hear you argue government is the answer. Government has to fix the economy because the private sector can't. Right? :coffeepap
 
Hey, take your best shot, prove the numbers I have posted are wrong?

Why don't you actually cite your sources instead of a week, little (bls.gov)

.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)

1. Real GDP increased at an annual rate of 1.3 percent in the second quarter of 2011, (that is, from the first quarter to the second quarter), according to the "third" estimate released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the first quarter, real GDP increased 0.4 percent.

U.S. Economy at a Glance

25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)

Well I found: Unemployed: 13,700,000
Part-time but looking for full-time: 8,900,000
Marginally Attached and Discouraged Workers: 2,100,000

Adding that up, you get 24.7 million, a big under the "25+ million" you claim. There are those math skills hard at work. :roll:

2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)

Show me the source on this one as I am unable to find it.

4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
You open with "Obama Economic Record in 2011" then said last 3 years...

Using the Treasury's Historical Debt Results:

12/31/2010 (Public Debt) 9,390,476,088,043.35 (Intragovernmental Debt) 4,634,739,130,665.17 (Total Public Debt) 14,025,215,218,708.52
10/21/2011 (Public Debt) 10,201,754,496,207.72 (Intragovernmental Debt) 4,737,478,051,777.36 (Total Public Debt) 14,939,232,547,985.08

Government - Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)

How exactly is this directly Obama's fault?

Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)

2000 7.35 Clinton
2001 7.59 Bush, G.W.
2002 7.37
2003 8.26
2004 8.21
2005 8.48
2006 7.87
2007 7.46
2008 9.61
2009 8.92 Obama
2010 11.29

Also, on a side note, during 1980 - the Misery Index was the record highest. Obama's Misery Index is lower than the first 5 years of Reagan's and barely larger than his next three. *Just throwin' that out there*

38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)

Disapproval - 50%
Approval - 42%

Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval
 
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If you don't think his facts are right, by all means, prove them wrong. But if you want to sit here and tell me to go prove something wrong that I think is right; then, you have lost your mind.

I have proven them wrong. You ignored the post.

Here is the lost jobs from the actual BLS chart, prove those numbers wrong

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Years: 1980 to 2010

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec

2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391 139061 138888 139206
2011 139323 139573 139864 139674 139779 139334 139296 139627

You will notice that the end of January 2009 the total employment was 142.2 and the end of August it was 139.6 or a 2.6 million employment loss. Amazing what you can find when you actually do research
 
You know, if all of conservatives posts were as well thought out as zgolds last one, he would actually be fun to debate.
 
zgoldsmith23;1059901169]Why don't you actually cite your sources instead of a week, little (bls.gov)



1. Real GDP increased at an annual rate of 1.3 percent in the second quarter of 2011, (that is, from the first quarter to the second quarter), according to the "third" estimate released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the first quarter, real GDP increased 0.4 percent.

Incredible GDP numbers, isn't it. How does that compare to 2010? Aren't those the numbers I posted in the Obama results?


Well I found: Unemployed: 13,700,000
Part-time but looking for full-time: 8,900,000
Marginally Attached and Discouraged Workers: 2,100,000

Adding that up, you get 24.7 million, a big under the "25+ million" you claim. There are those math skills hard at work. :roll:

LOL, thanks for playing, I took the labor force X 16.5% and came up with 25.4 million. I will gladlly accept your 24.7 million which I am sure you are proud of.


Show me the source on this one as I am unable to find it.


Posted it above

You open with "Obama Economic Record in 2011" then said last 3 years...

Using the Treasury's Historical Debt Results:

12/31/2010 (Public Debt) 9,390,476,088,043.35 (Intragovernmental Debt) 4,634,739,130,665.17 (Total Public Debt) 14,025,215,218,708.52
10/21/2011 (Public Debt) 10,201,754,496,207.72 (Intragovernmental Debt) 4,737,478,051,777.36 (Total Public Debt) 14,939,232,547,985.08

Government - Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

Going to have to change my numbers it is now 14.9 trillion, thanks for correcting that. that means 4.3 trillion added to the debt since he controlled Congress and the WH for 2009-2010 and the Senate in 2011


2000 7.35 Clinton
2001 7.59 Bush, G.W.
2002 7.37
2003 8.26
2004 8.21
2005 8.48
2006 7.87
2007 7.46
2008 9.61
2009 8.92 Obama
2010 11.29

Also, on a side note, during 1980 - the Misery Index was the record highest. Obama's Misery Index is lower than the first 5 years of Reagan's and barely larger than his next three. *Just throwin' that out there*
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So again you stop in 2010, is there a reason for that? Keep going, the link will give you the current one which I am sure you now recognize that I was right

Disapproval - 50%
Approval - 42%

Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval

When I copied the data it was actually 39% and seems to fluctuate between the 39-42% which is within the margin of error.

Looks like you won't be disputing my data any more, thanks for posting
 
No question about it, jobs will be on the ballot in 2008 and no President in modern history post 1950 has ever been re-elected with unemployment higher than 8%. The current Obama unemployment is over 9.7% when you add discourged workers back where they belong into unemployment. You keep buying Obama rhetoric and ignoring Obama results. Obama tells you what you want to hear and because he is a liberal you cannot accept the fact that he is lying to you.

All the polls (which I have referenced) are showing a majority of Americans support the president's jobs bill. Where are the polls showing a majority support for the GOP jobs plan?
 
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