If the country is so conservative, how did we elect a Kenyan Marxist for president in 2008???
Actually the bill failed in the democrat controlled senate...maybe you should get your facts straight before you go out and vote.
A government $14T in debt has no business doing anything of the sort and is lying if it tells you to expect "future earnings" from it.
He lied about being a fiscally conservative moderate.
He lied about being a fiscally conservative moderate.
You and I must have different definitions of the meaning of "fiscally conservative moderate." He ran on a big liberal platform. He has been much less than liberal. In fact, he has been fairly moderate. Sure, he has done his "socialist workings" of Obamacare, promoting gay rights, etc. but he also kept the Republican Bush Tax Cuts, he has remained fairly friendly with Wall St / Big business, and left a few of the Conservative rights alone.
I'm glad it was voted down. This is just another spending bill with the label of "job creation" smacked onto it. It's Democratic tactic to try and sensationalize a bill's name to make voters think it's really some magic thing that will fix everything. The facts are that we are in a spending crisis, and this bill wants to spend more money. It's nothing short of illogical partisanship to say Republicans are terrorists or that they hate America because they voted down this bill.
Yes, Republicans and Bush share some of the responsibility, BUT the Democrat controlled Congress from 2006 - 2010 and Obama have spent like drunken sailors.
You and I must have different definitions of the meaning of "fiscally conservative moderate." He ran on a big liberal platform. He has been much less than liberal. In fact, he has been fairly moderate. Sure, he has done his "socialist workings" of Obamacare, promoting gay rights, etc. but he also kept the Republican Bush Tax Cuts, he has remained fairly friendly with Wall St / Big business, and left a few of the Conservative rights alone.
If the country is so conservative, how did we elect a Kenyan Marxist for president in 2008???
destroying the very people that gave him the most money for his election is being friendly?
those are the taxes that fund state and local services including Teachers, Fire fighters, and Teachers.
Helping others is a good thing, and you are welcome to send all of your money to those people.Sure are. I shouldn't want to help out others with my money either? Helping others is a bad thing?
If the country is so conservative, how did we elect a Kenyan Marxist for president in 2008???
So because he didn't go completely communist, you think he was too soft?
Because he snuggled up to wall st. while placing increasing regulation end running congress, destroying the very people that gave him the most money for his election is being friendly?
With friends like him...you know the rest.
J-mac
Helping others is a good thing, and you are welcome to send all of your money to those people.
What Objective Voice doesn't seem to understand is the role of the Local, State, and Federal Govt. and has a naive approach to funding local services. OV will not address the issue as to why it is someone else from another state to fund police, fire, and teachers in another state other than the belief it is the right thing to do. Wonder who is going to bail OV out when financial problems arise? Makes absolutely no sense for the Federal Govt. to spend money in a state or local community until that state or local community tries to get themselves out of their financial problems. Sounds like a very naive and young approach to problem solving.
He answered the question. May not have been an answer you liked, but he did answer it. And for the record, he bails himself out when financial problems arise, one has nothing to do with his opinion on the other.
How do you feel about the answer? Do you believe it is your responsibility to fund police, fire fighters, teachers in Boise, Idaho? That is the point, those are state responsibility issues not the Federal Govt. for once the Federal Govt. money ends who picks up the payments? If the states are going to pick up the payments down the road, why not now and use the money to lower the deficit? Govt. doesn't create jobs, it creates the atmosphere for the private sector to create the jobs. Liberals seem to miss that reality.
Doesnt really matter what my opinion on it is. I can see points on both sides. Im just sayin dont say someone is refusing to answer a question, when they certainly did, you just didnt like his answer... and thats ok too. Obviously, the two of you are never going to agree or change each others minds about anything.
You're asking the wrong question. The right question is, did the stimulus significantly reduce unemployment *relative to where it would have been without the stimulus*, and to that most economists say aye.
We are not going to be at full employment any time soon, that is for sure. Again -- wrong question. The objective now is to prevent a double dip recession and/or a decade of more of economic stagnation. The cost will be high, but not as high as the cost of doing nothing.
So what is it about the position of Federalism that you support? Do you really believe it is the responsibility of the FEDERAL taxpayer to fund local police, fire fighters, and teachers? What is the role of the state if that is your position? How do you feel about not knowing where your taxdollars are going?
We currently have a 14.8 trillion dollar debt because of massive Federal Spending and massive expansion of the Federal Govt. Is that the role of the Federal Govt?
It pisses me off that the federal taxpayer is being asked to fund other states local police, fire fighters and teachers. A lot of things piss me off about our federal govt and state govts. Having said that, being a citzen of the "United States", we also have responsibilities to other states than are own. We all may live in different states, but we should all care about what happens in our country as a whole (and our people as a whole)... otherwise, I think that you should just go ahead and make each state an individual country and get it over with. I dont know... like I said, I can see both sides points of view. Funding of police in one state, whether we like it or not, affects other states in some ways as well. If Georgia has really strong immigration laws and are enforcing them and illegals are scared and running so they dont get sent back to their own country, they just hop on over to Alabama. If Alabama doesnt have the police force to handle them, that affects us and every other state around us. (maybe a bad example, but whatever). Fire fighters cross state lines all the time to help other states when they need help. If Alabama has a huge fire that we just dont have the people to handle and we need Georgias help... well we better hope Georgia has the money to pay their firefighters. Teachers affect all of us... We have a responsibility to make sure that our country has the brightest and strongest minds ever so that we can compete in this world, so we can lead instead of falling behind all these other countries in everything. I dont know, there has to be a happy medium somewhere.
I do agree that it really doenst make any sense to just keep these folks for this year and then next year we are in the same damn boat. I think you can have short term fixes, but if you dont have long term answers for this and a host of other issues, were just spinning our wheels.
As a Citizen of the United States you have the right to be protected under the Constitution, not the obligation to forceably send your tax dollars to the govt. so they can spend them on other state local issues. Why do you buy that the Federal Govt. which is in debt to the tune of almost 15 trillion dollars knows what is best for the states and local communities thus can spend your money better than you can? If you want to support my local community then I can send you the address the tax department so you can directly benefit us if that is what you want to do.