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Iran accused over Washington terror plot

justabubba said:
so, you have nothing
well nothing more than the UN had when Powell insisted that we had reliable evidence of WMDs in iraq
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No, I have evidence...weak evidence but evidence.

You must be referring to yourself, the person who ACTUALLY has nothing.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
What's your reasoning against it? "They're this clumsy because they're Iran?"
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How about Iran supplying Iraq insurgents with artillery shells - to make IEDs - made in Iran, complete with Iranian manufacturing info printed on them. *whoopsie*
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
It is no less plausable then believing Iran is so incompetent as to seek the aid of Mexican drug cartels to kill people and wire $100 000 in money transfers when the US government monitors any transfer over $10 000

That someone tried to contact the mexican drug cartel to kill and bomb some people is likely, that it was arranged by the Iranian government is not. Iran does have the network and training to do this in house or through one of its associates like Hezbollah, neither of which would trust using mexican drug cartels to do the work
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Either way Obama gets the heat. He will be perceived as too soft on the Iranians if the news is true. If it's a government conspiracy it will end his presidency immediately if not sooner.

I can't wait to hear Obama say "I am not a crook."
 
Word of this plot came from the Obama Administration?

It's difficult to believe the Administration at the best of times. When will solid evidence of this be released?
 
obvious Child said:
This really doesn't seem like Iran's government, at least at the top levels planned this.

Why would the Zetas risk a full blown American crackdown for a mere 1.5 million? Furthermore, if the assassin was rouge, it would be in the Cartel's interest to kill that guy before he actually pulled it off. The LAST thing the Cartels want is Obama and Calderon coming down on them.

Seems like someone moderately up, or just a rich civilian in Iran has a grudge to settle.
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Because the Zetas obviously fear Obama and Calderon....
 
MKULTRABOY said:
What's your reasoning against it? "They're this clumsy because they're Iran?"
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I haven't made any conclusions, one way, or the other.

So, the question still stands.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I dont agree with Fox News generally

But the alleged Iranian plot and this particular Fox News story has me agreeing

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Judge Napolitano is a Libertarian populist Crackpot.
I was skeptical when I first heard this BUT....

Iran would gladly assassinate Saudis - NYPOST.com
Amir Taheri
Last Updated: 3:39 AM, October 13, 2011

No one knows where the accusations leveled against Iran by US Attorney General Eric Holder might lead. If true, the claim that Iran planned to assassinate the Saudi ambassador in Washington would amount to an act of war against the United States. And that would require a response beyond the jumble of “new sanctions” proposed by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. That the Islamic Republic plots terrorist operations abroad is neither new nor surprising. In 1980, the mullahs organized the murder in Bethesda, Md., of Ali Akbar Tabatabai, an Iranian diplomat who’d turned against the regime. The assassin, Dawoud Salahuddin, a US convert to Islam, claimed that the murder was “an act of war” and fled to Iran where he later emerged as an adviser to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The United States was not the only place where the mullahs carried out “acts of war.” Between 1980 and 1995, the Islamic Republic planned and carried out 112 political assassinations in 22 countries across the globe.

France alone saw the murders of 17 Iranian exiles. In 1994, a French court issued arrest warrants against nine senior Iranian officials. In 1997, a German court issued warrants for the arrest of a number of Iranian officials charged with participation in the murder of four exiled Iranian politicians in Berlin five years earlier. Among those named were Iran’s “Supreme Guide” Ali Khamenei and former President Ali-Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani. At trial, former President Abolhassan Banisadr testified that a four-man committee, headed by Khamenei, was orchestrating the murder of dissidents abroad.

The Islamic Republic has always regarded Saudi Arabia as an enemy, a sentiment amply reciprocated. The two neighbors market rival brands of militant Islam and have been engaged in proxy wars in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq, among other places. In Pakistan, Iran finances and arms the militant Shi’ite Jaafari Movement (Tehrik Jaafari), while the Saudis back the equally militant Sunni Lashkar Tayyibah (Army of the Pure). The two groups are responsible for more than 40,000 deaths in sectarian fighting in Pakistan over the past 20 years. In Afghanistan, Iran backs the Hazara Shi’ites while the Saudis, having backed the Taliban until 9/11, support militant Sunni groups. In Iraq, the Islamic Republic backs Shi’ite armed groups such as the Mahdi Army; meanwhile, until 2008, thousands of Saudis fought on the side of Sunni militants.
The two are also fighting over Syria.".."
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Iran no doubt also pissed by:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...tedly-requested-us-attack-iran-wikileaks.html

So this is hardly as far-fetched as it would seem.
There is the widely Ignored/Unknown Past performance, an ongoing battle, and Proximate Provocation.
 
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mbig said:
Judge Napolitano is a Libertarian populist Crackpot.
I was skeptical when I first heard this BUT....

Iran would gladly assassinate Saudis - NYPOST.com
Amir Taheri
Last Updated: 3:39 AM, October 13, 2011


Iran no doubt also pissed by:
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That Iran has assassinated people is not in doubt by myself or most people.

That the Iranian government used an incompetent individual to arrange some assassinations by using a mexican drug cartel to kill a Saudi Ambassador in the US and to bomb other places is.

The guy is incompetent, Iran knows better to wire over $100 000, and has far easier targets outside of the US that would cause far fewer direct repercussions for Iran

This entire event is amatuer(sp) hour and would present Iran with far more negatives then benifits.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I'm all about differing opinions, but as far as Ann Coulter goes I'd rather attempt to induce an enema on Helen Thomas then read a boom written by that psychotic, brainless right wing zombie.
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I think I take that as a "no" to your question, Adpst. But.....since so many on the left on this forum accuse the right of pulling things out of what is said that isn't really there, I'll let him tell you himself.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
That Iran has assassinated people is not in doubt by myself or most people.

That the Iranian government used an incompetent individual to arrange some assassinations by using a mexican drug cartel to kill a Saudi Ambassador in the US and to bomb other places is.
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Do you suppose he lied on his resume?
 
EagleAye said:
Do you suppose he lied on his resume?
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You mean the following stellar resume that would inspire confidence in any potential black ops employer

Shortly after his arrival in the United States, friends started to call Arbabsiar “Jack” because of his taste for Jack Daniel’s whiskey, Hosseini said. And as recently as last year, Arbabsiar was arrested for felony possession of a narcotic.

In 1991, Arbabsiar married Marta Guerrero, and they have a son who is a college sophomore studying biology.

Arbabsiar opened his first business, B&M Autosales, in Corpus Christi in 1988, according to public records. He opened another car lot in 1992 and then closed it when he incorporated Johnny’s Loan Co. in 1996. He started another financial venture called Tat Finance Co., and in April 2000, he tried the restaurant business when he founded Gyros and Kabob. The restaurant closed in 2003.

He and and his wife moved several years ago to Austin, where Arbabsiar opened a wholesale car sales business.

In January 2010, a home owned by Arbabsiar in Corpus Christi went into foreclosure, and it was auctioned off later that year. He and his wife separated
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Mansour Arbabsiar recalled as upbeat about finances during summer encounter - The Washington Post


Just the person I would contract out to put a $1.5 million dollar contract out on some people and buildings, especially when I would have done similar operations in the past. His resume inspires confidence in his organization skills and ability to follow things through
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
You mean the following stellar resume that would inspire confidence in any potential black ops employer

Mansour Arbabsiar recalled as upbeat about finances during summer encounter - The Washington Post

Just the person I would contract out to put a $1.5 million dollar contract out on some people and buildings, especially when I would have done similar operations in the past. His resume inspires confidence in his organization skills and ability to follow things through
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*snort*...*snicker*...:lamo

Oh this is just rich. The uber dangerous, almighty Quds Force was getting fleeced by...:lamo...a used car salesman!!!

Oh man, it's true, you just can't make this stuff up!

Hey Ayatollah Ali Khamenei - wanna buy a bridge?
 
EagleAye said:
*snort*...*snicker*...:lamo

Oh this is just rich. The uber dangerous, almighty Quds Force was getting fleeced by...:lamo...a used car salesman!!!

Oh man, it's true, you just can't make this stuff up!

Hey Ayatollah Ali Khamenei - wanna buy a bridge?
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Or perhaps the Quds force was not working with this individual, and either the US government is hyping the event or itself fooled by a used car salesman

Personally i expect the US government is hyping the event and the guy is a nutball with no ties to the Iranian government
 
Arlo Guthrie's "Alice's Restaurant" for the modern age

Arbabsiar (used car salesman): And I went up there, I said, "Gholam, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I
wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and
guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill,Kill,
KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL,KILL," and
he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down
yelling, "KILL, KILL."

Gholam Shakuri (Quds Operative): [pins a medal on Arbabsiar] "You're our boy."
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
You mean the following stellar resume that would inspire confidence in any potential black ops employer

Mansour Arbabsiar recalled as upbeat about finances during summer encounter - The Washington Post


Just the person I would contract out to put a $1.5 million dollar contract out on some people and buildings, especially when I would have done similar operations in the past. His resume inspires confidence in his organization skills and ability to follow things through
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no doubt this is the plot master mind
 
So...what does the Obama administration gain by faking an Iranian plot to employ a WMD on US soil aimed at killing a Saudi official?
 
mac said:
So...what does the Obama administration gain by faking an Iranian plot to employ a WMD on US soil aimed at killing a Saudi official?
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Two things I've learned in life that are 100% true.

One, never take govt reports face value.

Two, fat chicks are surprisingly deceptive on dating websites.
 
mac said:
So...what does the Obama administration gain by faking an Iranian plot to employ a WMD on US soil aimed at killing a Saudi official?
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A stronger case for international sanctions (more of them) and a stronger case for striking Iran (military).
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
A stronger case for international sanctions (more of them) and a stronger case for striking Iran (military).
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So much for that Nobel peace prize, eh?

I'm kinda surprised (maybe I missed it) that no-one thinks its a smoke screen for fast and furious.
 
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apdst said:
Those folks that certain, or at least convinced that Iran had nothing to with it: what are you basing your opinion on?

So far I've heard, "Iran isn't that clumsy", parroted fairly regular. On what evidence is that claim being based?
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Certain? I don't know that anyone is certain of anything. But that's the point. Most are just saying we should not take government claims at face value. And we shouldn't.
 
Gill said:
Easy, he heard it from Holder. Holder is the one claiming this is a plot to kill foreign diplomats and American citizens. Don't you keep up with current events ???

Like I said, if they have evidence, we will eventually see it. The whole thing sounds a bit fishy to me though. That's why I'm wondering if the dog's tail will soon be getting a bit sore.
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No matter who makes the claim, there is no reason to accept the claim without actual evidence. It is as fishy as we had under Bush. We should always question no matter who makes the claim. Evidence should always be the critieria, and we should not be too willing to believe.
 
Boo Radley said:
No matter who makes the claim, there is no reason to accept the claim without actual evidence. It is as fishy as we had under Bush. We should always question no matter who makes the claim. Evidence should always be the critieria, and we should not be too willing to believe.
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The transferred money isn't evidence?
 
mac said:
The transferred money isn't evidence?
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where is the evidence that the money came from the government of iran

... post-9/11, entrapment by FBI plants led to prosecutions of over 200 individuals on bogus terrorism related charges. Washington highlights them as proof of foiling plots that, in fact, never existed.

Nearly always innocent Muslims are targeted for their faith and ethnicity for political advantage. Major media scoundrels regurgitate official lies, pretending they're accurate accounts of foiled plots.

That none ever succeeded is reason enough to suggest none existed, but media reports leave that unexplained, let alone the implausibility of some charges.

They included blowing up Chicago's Sears Tower, destroying New York landmarks, targeting US soldiers at Fort Dix, NJ, US marines at Quantico, VA, downing National Guard aircraft with stinger missiles, and a Pakistan ambassador's with a surface to air one.

Not a shred of evidence provided proof, just the word of FBI informants well paid to entrap and lie, then get America's media to repeat them without questioning the validity of any charges.

The likelihood that any country, let alone Iran, would plan terror plots on US soil is preposterous on its face. Cui bono is issue one. Clearly, Iran has nothing to gain and everything to lose by plotting what Holder charged. ...
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Iran Charged with Fake Terror Plot
 
mac said:
The transferred money isn't evidence?
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See above. Remember, being told something isn't the same as something being true. Powell presented a lot of **** at the UN, remember? It was nonsense, and rightly questioned by many, but the willing believed all the same.
 
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