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White House feeds off protest anger

1Perry said:
Link? .........
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You want me to link to something showing that they didn't get up-front funding or prove something didn't happen? Too funny. Here you go...

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The burden of proof would be on you if you want to show they did receive up front funding. Not others to prove they didn't.

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Here's the big comedy of the right and fox news' junkies who listen to nonstop efforts to discredit the movement by conflicting themselves by saying they are scary and unamerican highly organized mobs right after saying they are just a bunch of drum banging hippies without a unified message who aren't even organized enough to take a shower.
 
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What if...? said:
Shut your mouth!

I swear I used that quote in a conversation with my wife this morning about the whole no coverage for DAYS, then they started mocking, and now today attacking. And I said at this rate we'll be done by Halloween!

Couldn't remember who it was by.

Awesome post!
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I'm in ur head. Stealin' ur thoughts.
 
I read the article and the “except for the tea party’s we fund” that appears in the headline never is in the article. What is meant to sound like a quote seems to be nothing more than an editorial comment.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I read the article and the “except for the tea party’s we fund” that appears in the headline never is in the article. What is meant to sound like a quote seems to be nothing more than an editorial comment.
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You're missing the point, but that's not a surprise.

When are you all going to get over the fact that unbiased media doesn't exist? The article is either going to be from a pro-Tea Party outlet, or from an anti-Tea Party one. Since the pro-TP outlets are not likely to point out anything negative about the TP, you're stuck with anti.
 
poweRob said:
Seeing how everyone showed up using their own funding and orchestrated a protest that turned into a national movement without getting tea party Koch funding and a 24 hour news constant promotion and endorsements from Fox and phony spin off tea party orgs run by old hat politicians like Dick Armey... kind of means it's not astroturf. Pretty much makes your post look like "envy" in action.

The OWS protest got jack **** for media coverage from pretty much anyone for a looooonnng time. Unlike the tea party that got promoted by fox nonstop before each gathering telling people where to go and when to be there and they will put you on the camera all while they got busted rallying the crowd and instructing them on how to act on camera. Then after that, any 3 teabaggers at a town hall got media coverage from all news agencies far more than any coverage the OWS movement has gotten yet.

What you do see is what Ghandi used to say;

First they ignore you,
Then they laugh at you,
Then they fight you,
Then you win.

Right now we are at the "they laugh at you" part and moving into "then they fight you" part.
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Their own funding? There was a call last week for donations of necessary provisions to be donated to them...LOL!!
 
haymarket said:
So we have something to look forward to as the right wing wealthy get the low haircut.
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Sounds like you've been listening to Roseann too much.
 
1Perry said:
I undertand that and that's simply something added to make the story more interesting after the fact.



I'm not a big fan of Aristocracy and those who feel they are superior simply because of birth.
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Nor am I, but, this is still a free country where such a thing isn't illegal and in no way should be illegal.

These clown that are a part of the occupation want to make success punishable and that goes against my grain big time. They're never going to stop complaining about, "corporate greed", no matter how small the profits get. Not until there is no profit in the private sector, will they be satisfied.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Right -- because if you disagree with them that means they're puppets, not young and angry and passionate enough to put their feelings on display.
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The Khmer Rouge were young and angry and put their feelings on display, too.
 
What if...? said:
Its a Citizens United world now.

Nobody gets to know who's funding who anymore.
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So making accusations without legitimate proof is really a partisan and fruitless endeavor... when proof is available, we (those who want facts to back up their opinions) we get to review them and then make a decision. Those who want to push an agenda, be it a negative one against the Tea Party or against OWS, push accusations based on nothing but their belief. Beliefs are dealt with in the Religion forum you see...
 
apdst said:
Their own funding? There was a call last week for donations of necessary provisions to be donated to them...LOL!!
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So its NOT astroturf!

Thanks for that info apdst!
 
Ockham said:
So making accusations without legitimate proof is really a partisan and fruitless endeavor... when proof is available, we (those who want facts to back up their opinions) we get to review them and then make a decision. Those who want to push an agenda, be it a negative one against the Tea Party or against OWS, push accusations based on nothing but their belief. Beliefs are dealt with in the Religion forum you see...
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I did find a link to a realease from Koch industries that acknowledges Koch money goes to the Tea Party.

Folks have been backing candidates/issues behind the scenes forever, but various records resulted in disclosure of who is backing what.

CU puts an end to that.

I knew there had to be some substantiation of Koch backing, otherwise they would have filed a cease and desist.

Frankly didn't know anybody had any doubts at this point. Or had any interest in denying it.
 
What if...? said:
I did find a link to a realease from Koch industries that acknowledges Koch money goes to the Tea Party.

Folks have been backing candidates/issues behind the scenes forever, but various records resulted in disclosure of who is backing what.

CU puts an end to that.

I knew there had to be some substantiation of Koch backing, otherwise they would have filed a cease and desist.

Frankly didn't know anybody had any doubts at this point. Or had any interest in denying it.
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And the link? You seem to have forgotten to post it.
 
apdst said:
Begging for food and other provisions isn't exactly using their, "own funds".
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Receiving donations does not make you astroturf.
 
Councilman said:
I find this incredible because I believe the protesters are feeding off of Obama's Class War statements the put the rich in the cross hairs, along with any successful business.

These idiots don't seem to know where jobs come from.
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Do you?

Councilman said:
They seem to buy Obama's stupid damn idea that Government is the answer and redistribution of wealth is a good thing.

Only damn fools think that socialism/communism can work here, because it has never has and never will.
When you level the playing field everyone ends up poor and jobs go away.'

Obama is continuing to feed the unruly, unwashed, uninformed with his comments, along with Nasty Piglousy, and other imbecilic fools.
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No, but a society has to have a equitable way to distribute its wealth amongst its people, or the society will fail. Once we started lowering the highest tax rates, companies began to increase executive pay (and decrease re-investment in the country), leading to ever escalating executive pay while workers wages remained stagnant. The result, an increasing gap between the haves and have nots. See graphs on increasing exec pay in relation to workers, and in wealth disparity in relation in highest marginal income tax rate (funny, we did this once before in the 1920's...don't we ever learn?)

CEO pay to worker pay by year.jpgwealthgapchart1.jpg



You cannot sustain an economy where the very few get all of the riches and the masses eat cake. The American economy is more and more following the profile of Mexico, with few families controlling all of the wealth and holding all of the political power. Now, with the drug trade creating a means for the peasants to actually have a piece of the pie, Mexico is coming apart at the seems. What you are seeing with the Wall Street protests is not America coming apart at the seems, but certainly some relief at a stress point.

Wealth disparity in US.jpgUneven Income Growth.jpg
 
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What if...? said:
Ahh I suck.

Koch Industries: We Don't Fund Tea Parties (Except For The Tea Parties We Fund) | TPMMuckraker

Apparently the same one already posted.

Actually read several and that one was the shortest and to the point, including the whole realease, which was a general release to the media, apparently.
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Stop me where I'm wrong. It reads to me that they fund a conservative organization that supports the goals of the Tea Party. That's entirely different than bankrolling or being behind the movement.

We see with the Wall Street thing unions joining in. Are we saying that unions bankrolled this and are behind it?
 
apdst said:
Nor am I, but, this is still a free country where such a thing isn't illegal and in no way should be illegal.

These clown that are a part of the occupation want to make success punishable and that goes against my grain big time. They're never going to stop complaining about, "corporate greed", no matter how small the profits get. Not until there is no profit in the private sector, will they be satisfied.
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I see no correlation between aristocracy and success.
 
apdst said:
Nor am I, but, this is still a free country where such a thing isn't illegal and in no way should be illegal.

These clown that are a part of the occupation want to make success punishable and that goes against my grain big time. They're never going to stop complaining about, "corporate greed", no matter how small the profits get. Not until there is no profit in the private sector, will they be satisfied.
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...then again, dwindling corporate profits are not the problem. They are doing just fine. Its the fair sharing of the bounty that is at issue.

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1Perry said:
Stop me where I'm wrong. It reads to me that they fund a conservative organization that supports the goals of the Tea Party. That's entirely different than bankrolling or being behind the movement.

We see with the Wall Street thing unions joining in. Are we saying that unions bankrolled this and are behind it?
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Pretty sure the original point of contention was Koch funding of the Tea Party.

So the Kochs merely provided massive amounts of money to one of the two groups that provide much of the money and most of the organization for tea party events.

A group, by the way, whose chairman of the board is David Koch.

This isn't a criminal trial.

The word "specifically" in the release is how one avoids factually lying, the one taboo of Public Relations. Not because its wrong, but because you can get caught. And if you do it can costs you all the benefits you might obtain by encouraging a false impression.
 
What if...? said:
Pretty sure the original point of contention was Koch funding of the Tea Party.

So the Kochs merely provided massive amounts of money to one of the two groups that provide much of the money and most of the organization for tea party events.
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Something that you have been asked to back up but haven't been able to.
 
apdst said:
Their own funding? There was a call last week for donations of necessary provisions to be donated to them...LOL!!
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Nice. And I'm sure the koch brother showed up and funded it all for them ala tea party right? lol
 
apdst said:
Begging for food and other provisions isn't exactly using their, "own funds".
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So its NOT astroturf!

Thanks for that info apdst!
 
upsideguy said:
...then again, dwindling corporate profits are not the problem. They are doing just fine. Its the fair sharing of the bounty that is at issue.
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What claim do these idiots have on the profits of a legitimate business?

j-mac
 
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