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Owners of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests

Although many of the protesters are understood to be making strenuous efforts to clean up after themselves, after three weeks of occupation, the strain of hundreds of people living on the street has begun to take its toll.
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From the same source. Yes that guy is a moron, and I imagine not exactly what most people with this movement want to see, but its hardly a fair representation of all of them. As for the trash, yes its understandable and I suppose in the end it just becomes a question of whether its one's opinion its justifiable. I imagine it would be pretty damn hard to protest in New York like this without creating some trash problems, but yet its the people's right to do so. I will say trash like that is not unknown in New York, and it certainly isn't crippling the city.
 
What if...? said:
That's exactly what he was referring to. With scorn for it.
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Interesting... I hope this isn't the standard of protester. The good news, he's off drugs now.



What if...? said:
I'm sure many of you are praying to see this turn into an orgy of out of control hippies on LSD, but this isn't what's happening. Sorry.
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Can't comment on the LSD or any drugs being prominent.... but as with any large mass of people for an extended period of time (week or more) unsanitary conditions will eventually take over and people are going to start getting sick. Now that cold weather in NY is coming, that's only going to be more prominent.












It doesn't sound as rosie as some want to make it seem. I did find without much issue on YouTube (searched for Occupy Wall Street) that there are some negative views apparently.
 
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Ahem, What If didn't say that. I did.
 
What if...? said:
Sorry, looks like a homeless guy to me. And I don't see any ****. Maybe he's just rubbing his butt on it. Or maybe somebody paid him to pretend to **** on a police car.

The second picture looks like a pile of sleeping bags.

But I'll take it on advisement and see what else can be come up with.
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Almost all of the protestors look like they could be homeless, they are certainly brainless.

Would the direct quote of the property owner carry any weight in your quest for the truth?

The owners of the private park, Brookfield Office Properties, cannot simply eject the demonstrators because the charter for the park allows 24-hour public access. But the owners never counted on this and appear to be getting fed up.

In a statement they said “because the protestors refuse to cooperate…the park has not been cleaned since Friday, September 16th and as a result, sanitary conditions have reached unacceptable levels.”
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Bardo said:
Stupid hippies.
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They're not all Doctors and Lawyers, and they're not all hippies either. However, in the videos both from OWS and others --- I tend to see less professional people than say blue collar workers, students, or yes... hippies.
 
Ockham said:
They're not all Doctors and Lawyers, and they're not all hippies either. However, in the videos both from OWS and others --- I tend to see less professional people than say blue collar workers, students, or yes... hippies.
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Whats wrong with that?

Blue collar workers and students are automatically brainless?
 
conservativeguy said:
I was at the 9-12-09 and the 9-12-2010 Tea Party rallies in DC. Hundreds of thousands gathered for day long marches to protest BO and his policies. At the end of each event, I, along with hundreds of other folks, policed the park to clean up the little debris we found around the Capital. As the last marchers left the Mall, the grounds were spotless. Now compare that to the filth and garbage piling up around the stinky morons in NYC. The Tea Party movement embraces individual responsibility and accountability while the NYC twerps are preaching collectivism and entitlements......its no wonder the NYC fools are wallowing in their own crap, they are waiting for someone else to clean up their trash.
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We all respect the nations Capital.

But who give two craps about wall street. They can afford maid service.

Boo-hoo... protests are smelly.
 
I think we should get away from trying to define these people and being this or that, because in the end it doesn't matter where they come from or what they do, no good analyst or respectable person should make their opinion about this group based on a few members.

Why not we take a look at the message?
 
Ockham said:
Interesting... I hope this isn't the standard of protester. The good news, he's off drugs now.





Can't comment on the LSD or any drugs being prominent.... but as with any large mass of people for an extended period of time (week or more) unsanitary conditions will eventually take over and people are going to start getting sick. Now that cold weather in NY is coming, that's only going to be more prominent.












It doesn't sound as rosie as some want to make it seem. I did find without much issue on YouTube (searched for Occupy Wall Street) that there are some negative views apparently.
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So two INDIVIDUALS (akin to knuckleheads at Tea Party events that don't represent the group as a whole).

Some dancing hippies and some kind of altercation with the police, without context as to what was actually going on.

Seems like some of the cops were being dicks and some being perfectly reasonable.(kinda like the protesters).

Interesting, but not enough to draw any conclusions.

Bear in mind there's a lot of unemployed actors in NY, and a whole lotta folks with a whole lotta money that would LOVE to make the protesters look bad. Not saying they ARE, but they certainly have the means motive and opportunity.
 
Bardo said:
Whats wrong with that?
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What's wrong with what?

Bardo said:
Blue collar workers and students are automatically brainless?
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Uhh... no. Where did I say that?

At the point of being repetitive (and since you apparently didn't get my statement the first time) I'll post exactly what I said prior to this post:


Ockham said:
They're not all Doctors and Lawyers, and they're not all hippies either. However, in the videos both from OWS and others --- I tend to see less professional people than say blue collar workers, students, or yes... hippies.
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Ockham said:
What's wrong with what?

Uhh... no. Where did I say that?

At the point of being repetitive (and since you apparently didn't get my statement the first time) I'll post exactly what I said prior to this post:
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I had you mixed up with Conservativeguy. You all look the same to me. :p
 
What if...? said:
So two INDIVIDUALS (akin to knuckleheads at Tea Party events that don't represent the group as a whole).

Some dancing hippies and some kind of altercation with the police, without context as to what was actually going on.
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What context do I need exactly? I don't know what your point is... these are snapshots in time that simply show it's not all neat and proper as some are maybe claiming. With all masses of people, there are all kinds from all walks of life.

What if...? said:
Seems like some of the cops were being dicks and some being perfectly reasonable.(kinda like the protesters).
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Really? How can you tell when you claimed just before you needed "context". Don't you need the same context to make a comment about the Cops who were being "dicks"?

What if...? said:
Bear in mind there's a lot of unemployed actors in NY, and a whole lotta folks with a whole lotta money that would LOVE to make the protesters look bad. Not saying they ARE, but they certainly have the means motive and opportunity.
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I'm sure that's true nationwide... and also, possibly, just as many who who have just as much money who are trying to make the protestors look good.
 
hazlnut said:
We all respect the nations Capital.

But who give two craps about wall street. They can afford maid service.

Boo-hoo... protests are smelly.
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I guess you missed the mess left behind after BO's emmaculation.......how about more than 100 tons of crap dropped all over the Mall in DC.

The Trash Was Historic, Too
 
Why are we still avoiding talking about the message, I wonder who here, both the liberals and conservatives, could actually explain the message this movement is trying to push without googling it first?

Who the hell cares if the guy is a college student, a hippy, professor, unemployed factory worker, whatever the man is still A) An American and B) to refute someone's argument and to do it in a respectful and intelligent way you have to understand their argument. By refusing to even understand their message you're only furthering your own ignorance, which to me makes your opinion far less valid, since what good is an opinion who's owner won't listen to anything he may disagree with?
 
Wiseone said:
Why are we still avoiding talking about the message, I wonder who here, both the liberals and conservatives, could actually explain the message this movement is trying to push without googling it first?

Who the hell cares if the guy is a college student, a hippy, professor, unemployed factory worker, whatever the man is still A) An American and B) to refute someone's argument and to do it in a respectful and intelligent way you have to understand their argument. By refusing to even understand their message you're only furthering your own ignorance, which to me makes your opinion far less valid, since what good is an opinion who's owner won't listen to anything he may disagree with?
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I'm not aware of a coherent message other than, Banks and Wall Street are bad and should be changed / eliminated, and I got that by reviewing a few different interviews in which the interviewee's were less than coherent. It seems very fractured and unfocused actually.
 
Ockham said:
I'm not aware of a coherent message other than, Banks and Wall Street are bad and should be changed / eliminated, and I got that by reviewing a few different interviews in which the interviewee's were less than coherent. It seems very fractured and unfocused actually.
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Money in politics. Citizens United v FEC, purchasing legislation, plutocracy etc etc.
 
Wiseone said:
Why are we still avoiding talking about the message, I wonder who here, both the liberals and conservatives, could actually explain the message this movement is trying to push without googling it first?

Who the hell cares if the guy is a college student, a hippy, professor, unemployed factory worker, whatever the man is still A) An American and B) to refute someone's argument and to do it in a respectful and intelligent way you have to understand their argument. By refusing to even understand their message you're only furthering your own ignorance, which to me makes your opinion far less valid, since what good is an opinion who's owner won't listen to anything he may disagree with?
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Why let facts get in the way of a good Lib-bashing? Especially if you can call them socialist hippies.

I will say this -- I notice that the ultra-cons are doing exactly what ultra-libs do with the Tea Party.
 
Ockham said:
I'm not aware of a coherent message other than, Banks and Wall Street are bad and should be changed / eliminated, and I got that by reviewing a few different interviews in which the interviewee's were less than coherent. It seems very fractured and unfocused actually.
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I entirely agree, and in my opinion, and I assume yours, they need to figure out some way to organize themselves better so people know what the hell they are trying to get at. Starting with some clear leadership, someone who can "speak for" the group, some clear grievances that they all or mostly agree on, and some solutions to go along with. I know that the whole "This is grassroots! By the People for the People! We all are hear for one thing!" sounds real nice but in reality its entirely impractical and ultimately going to be self defeating because the entire purpose of this event is to get a message across, but without a clear target for that message as well as a clear message, there's really no value in gathering. So really my opinion of the whole Occupy Wall Street is pretty dismissive, because I don't know why the hell they are there.

One thing the Tea Party knew about itself, I imagine it was partly due to many Republicans who joined up, was to how to organize, and present a fairly consistent message with fairly consistent leaders.
 
Wiseone said:
Why are we still avoiding talking about the message, I wonder who here, both the liberals and conservatives, could actually explain the message this movement is trying to push without googling it first?

Who the hell cares if the guy is a college student, a hippy, professor, unemployed factory worker, whatever the man is still A) An American and B) to refute someone's argument and to do it in a respectful and intelligent way you have to understand their argument. By refusing to even understand their message you're only furthering your own ignorance, which to me makes your opinion far less valid, since what good is an opinion who's owner won't listen to anything he may disagree with?
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rocket88 said:
Why let facts get in the way of a good Lib-bashing? Especially if you can call them socialist hippies.

I will say this -- I notice that the ultra-cons are doing exactly what ultra-libs do with the Tea Party.
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Those aren't facts, that's my opinion. I don't mean to be rude but I take the difference very seriously and what I was saying up there isn't factual at all, its merely my opinion that those things should matter more than other things, and that certain things like they're Americans or that I don't care what their profession or life is like matter to me but may not to others, and they matter to me in different degrees than others. Its not factual its just how I see things, an opinion.
 
Councilman said:
I expected that this would happen or the Health Department would intercede, because I have seen a number of reporters say that not only did the camps smell to high heaven but the protesters smelled badly.

Without proper sanitary conditions and showers this was enviable.

I went to the Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco twice in the summer of 1967 and it smelled awful as we passed through, my wife at the time was felling sick from it.

May be authorities will be able to break up this bunch who don't even have a clear message other than rage at the wrong group.


Owners Of Zuccotti Park Say Conditions Unsanitary From Wall Street Protests | Fox News
Owners of New York City's Zuccotti [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]Park[/COLOR][/COLOR] may be starting to get fed up with it being occupied.
Brookfield Office properties, the firm that owns the central location for the Occupy Wall Street protests, has released a statement claiming that they have not been able to properly maintain the park and that sanitation has become a growing concern.

"Basic rules intended to keep the park safe, open, clean, and welcoming to all visitors are clearly posted," the statement from Brookfield reads. "These rules includes bans on the erection of tents or other structures, as well as the placement of tarps, sleeping bags, or other coverings on the property.

"Unfortunately, many of the individuals currently occupying the grounds are ignoring these basic yet necessary requirements, which interferes with the use of the park by others."
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I guess no one responded to the call for handouts and that's why they didn't get their free **** houses.
 
apdst said:
I guess no one responded to the call for handouts and that's why they didn't get their free **** houses.
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Uh, what?...
 
rocket88 said:
Why let facts get in the way of a good Lib-bashing? Especially if you can call them socialist hippies.

I will say this -- I notice that the ultra-cons are doing exactly what ultra-libs do with the Tea Party.
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Except that when we bash the occupiers, we're right.
 
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