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Steve Jobs Dead at 56

solletica said:
It was a great speech, although he probably copied it from someone else.
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Why are you being rude? Why don't you start your own thread and bash Jobs and Apple all you want?

By the way, for those interested, CNBC is doing the Apple story and Guy Kawasaki is featured.
 
solletica said:
Just curious. To all those in this forum who own an Apple PC and/or iProduct: are your devices still working? Or was there some proprietary lockin that activated when jobs died?
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Still ticking. 4 Macs from the 90s, G4 Cube, an iBook G4, a Macbook, 2 iPod classics, iPhone-all working well.

So are my Windows Machines.

I have never owned an Apple product and am damn proud of it ! In fact, I owned several products years before Apple "invented" them. To the iCult, this makes no sense, obviously. But to technically adept users like me, who actually know stuff, it provided another joyous reason to laugh at everyone else who wasted their money buying an "i.
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That card doesn't fly with me. I have spent enough time with technology to know better. For instance, I enjoyed the iPod because of its sound signature, its OS, and had a great audio out. I still use it hooked up to my Headroom Desktop Headphone Amp----> Sennheiser HD-600's, HD-595's, the 497s, and sometime in the future the AKG-702s.

Your point was almost considered. Apple didn't invent. It improved, and marketed. The DAP was around long before Apple showed up, but the market was wanting. They stepped up, and delivered solid performers. There are other notable DAPs (the Karma and the iHp-120 still warms peoples' hearts), but let's not get too happy about bashing Apple for the sake of bashing Apple.
 
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LesGovt said:
Why are you being rude? Why don't you start your own thread and bash Jobs and Apple all you want?
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It's the truth--jobs was a crappy human being. What kind of man has sex w/a woman and then tries to deny that her child is his even after she takes a paternity test?

What kind of man sees no problem w/young people being worked to death in horrid conditions to assemble his products? And then has the audacity to market them as novel innovations when in fact they weren't.

In fact, given that fact, there is, for all practical purposes, no difference between jobs and someone like Phil Knight, w/the exception of Apple's silly Reality Distortion Field, i. e. the notion that worshiping and/or owning an iProduct somehow makes one a "rebel."

FYI, at the time iPod was still at the peak of its popularity, South Korean digital music players were already far more advanced, supporting multiple open formats such as FLAC and OGG, and there were already several music stores that did not require downloading an overbloated piece of software just to buy from it. And apparently, typing

cp ./*.mp3 /mnt/usbdrive/

at a prompt instead of waiting for iTunes to load up just isn't cool enough for you, is it?

LesGovt said:
By the way, for those interested, CNBC is doing the Apple story and Guy Kawasaki is featured.
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Wow, another unbiased source :rolleyes:
 
solletica said:
FYI, at the time iPod was still at the peak of its popularity, South Korean digital music players were already far more advanced, supporting multiple open formats such as FLAC and OGG, and there were already several music stores that did not require downloading an overbloated piece of software just to buy from it. And apparently, typing
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FLAC was a plus, and Vorbis was for a time. The truth of the matter is, most people, ABX tested thus far, have been able to conclude that of the lossy codecs, most are allowing people to reach transparency at 128 kbps, and furthermore, codec scores being roughly equal. The codec wars are mostly finished. Open source was all the rage, but for the past couple of years or more, it has been meaningless.

While FLAC is perhaps more preferable for archival purposes, most cannot justify the switch, nor notice the difference. Some of it has to do with equipment, but a lot of it has to deal with the ears.

The Open Source cheer leading for Vorbis was mostly just that.
 
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Fiddytree said:
FLAC was a plus, and Vorbis was for a time. The truth of the matter is, most people, ABX tested thus far, have been able to conclude that of the lossy codecs, most are allowing people to reach transparency at 128 kbps, and furthermore, codec scores being roughly equal. The codec wars are mostly finished. Open source was all the rage, but for the past couple of years or more, it has been meaningless.

While FLAC is perhaps more preferable for archival purposes, most cannot justify the switch, nor notice the difference. Some of it has to do with equipment, but a lot of it has to deal with the ears.

The Open Source cheer leading for Vorbis was mostly just that.
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There's so much falsity in that post I don't know where to begin.

First, there's a definite noticeable difference between 128 kbps anything and its lossless counterpart. This is especially true in classical music. Try listening to Gluck's "Dance of the Blessed Spirits" in 128 kbps VBR encoded format. It just won't cut it.

And the reason the open source formats like FLAC have become meaningless is not because of any limitations in the format but because the major record labels refuse to sell their stuff in those formats. Why? Because there's no way to add a watermark to a lossless codec to trace it back to the original purchaser. Plus, the labels simply have an aversion to anything considered "free", period.
 
My irony metered just exploded.

The Westboro douchebags are going to picket Steve jobs funeral, but the interesting thing about it is how it was announced.

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Yes, this tweet was sent via Twitter for iPhone. The irony here is almost unbelievable.

No matter what Westboro does at the funeral of Steve Jobs, it appears that Jobs will win in the end – his influence even stretches to an announcement like this.
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Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church | WebProNews
 
Fiddytree said:
Still ticking. 4 Macs from the 90s, G4 Cube, an iBook G4, a Macbook, 2 iPod classics, iPhone-all working well.

So are my Windows Machines.



That card doesn't fly with me. I have spent enough time with technology to know better. For instance, I enjoyed the iPod because of its sound signature
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:rolleyes: the sound signature for most any DAP of any brand is the same. It's the amps and headphones that make the difference.

Fiddytree said:
, its OS, and had a great audio out. I still use it hooked up to my Headroom Desktop Headphone Amp----> Sennheiser HD-600's, HD-595's, the 497s, and sometime in the future the AKG-702s.

Your point was almost considered. Apple didn't invent. It improved, and marketed.
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Correction. It marketed, period. It did not improve anything. It just locked out apps and formats and interoperability while many of its competitors did not.

Is an iPod that plays only MP3, AAC, WAV, AIFF, and possibly the (proprietary) ALAC better than an iRiver that also plays music encoded in the free FLAC codec?

Is a music store that forces customers to use iTunes better than one that allows you to buy w/just a browser or any web client?

Is an iPhone that forces app developers to abide by Apple's restrictive rules and use Apple's SDK and sell only in an Apple store better than an Android phone where anyone can write a Java app using any tool(s) they like and sell it anywhere?

Is freedom better than captivity?

(s'pose in jobs' Reality Distortion Field, it is)
 
One of the greatest innovators of our age.

He survives death through his immortal achievements.
 
Sig said:
One of the greatest innovators of our age.

He survives death through his immortal achievements.
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The amount of $$ he spent on advertising was indeed immortal. Too bad he didn't leave any for his FoxConn workers.
 
I am a huge fan of Apple, Mac, iPod, iPhone, Mac OS X etc. Steve Jobs was a great man in the same leagues as Henry Ford or Thomas Edison. His vision and companies (Pixar, NeXT, Apple) directly or indirectly touched every single one of our lives. He is one of my person heroes and his legacy will hopefully live on.
 
Re: Steve Jobs Dead at 56: MSNBC

R.I.P. Mr. Jobs. You were a visionary, and a markedly important influence on the world. You will be missed.
 
solletica said:
The amount of $$ he spent on advertising was indeed immortal. Too bad he didn't leave any for his FoxConn workers.
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What in the hell are you two talking about? Earning money and spending money is immortal to you? I have no reason to follow such idiotic moral practices and I doubt Steve did either. In this world you work to better yourself and to the better the world in the process. Steve Jobs managed to do that very well. RIP Steve Jobs.
 
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Henrin said:
What in the hell are you two talking about? Earning money and spending money is immortal to you? I have no reason to follow such idiotic moral practices and I doubt Steve did either. In this world you work to better yourself and to the better the world in the process. Steve Jobs managed to do that very well. RIP Steve Jobs.
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jobs was great at making money (via marketing savvy). No argument there.

But he was not a visionary, which is what people are crediting him for. Visionaries, by definition, are the ones who create and invent.

And the only thing Apple invented was the first practical PC, but that was not jobs' doing. It was Wozniak's.
 
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Good that his suffering is over. May he rest in peace.
 
solletica said:
jobs was great at making money (via marketing savvy). No argument there.

But he was not a visionary, which is what people are crediting him for. Visionaries, by definition, are the ones who create and invent.

And the only thing Apple invented was the first practical PC, but that was not jobs' doing. It was Wozniak's.
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Jobs had hundreds of patents in his name, I'm pretty sure he created one or two things.
 
solletica said:
There's so much falsity in that post I don't know where to begin.

First, there's a definite noticeable difference between 128 kbps anything and its lossless counterpart. This is especially true in classical music. Try listening to Gluck's "Dance of the Blessed Spirits" in 128 kbps VBR encoded format. It just won't cut it.

And the reason the open source formats like FLAC have become meaningless is not because of any limitations in the format but because the major record labels refuse to sell their stuff in those formats. Why? Because there's no way to add a watermark to a lossless codec to trace it back to the original purchaser. Plus, the labels simply have an aversion to anything considered "free", period.
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It depends on the person, obviously. And yet, it is also true most people cannot reach 94% when ABX tested with codecs. You would have your head up your butt if you concluded otherwise for most people.
 
solletica said:
Is an iPod that plays only MP3, AAC, WAV, AIFF, and possibly the (proprietary) ALAC better than an iRiver that also plays music encoded in the free FLAC codec?

Is a music store that forces customers to use iTunes better than one that allows you to buy w/just a browser or any web client?

Is an iPhone that forces app developers to abide by Apple's restrictive rules and use Apple's SDK and sell only in an Apple store better than an Android phone where anyone can write a Java app using any tool(s) they like and sell it anywhere?

Is freedom better than captivity?
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Aside from the fact that I do not immensely enjoy the Apple App store's tactics, you are forgetting one important thing: eco-system. What Apple built its philosophy was control but it was a control that was satisfactory for many when it came to the iPod/iTunes, etc. lineup. Most people don't care how developers are treated unless it directly affects them. What they want is something that simplifies the process and does so in a user-friendly way. iTunes provided that way out. You had a fairly decent player, not without its issues, eventually provide a means to listen to, sync, and purchase music. That was quite a bit liberating for most ordinary people. "Power users" are a great deal more comfortable with the notion that you take a little from "here," take a little from "there," in order to come out with an end (or further still, the Foobar 2000 crowd, of which I am a member). However, they too are not immune or feeling repugnant toward this approach. It is also true, many Windows "power users" felt that it was better to operate under the assumption of folders, windows explorer, and so on, but those complaints were far few in comparison with the (at the time) awful Windows programming of iTunes.

A store under a browser makes the process more complicated, and many people do not like complicated. These stores can have more in the way of specialized selection, slightly better prices, (at the time) better DRM terms, and so forth, but on the whole, most people felt like the Apple ecosystem worked very well in comparison.

It's not a matter of freedom versus captivity. Those terms are thrown around by the immensely passionate, and perhaps embedded part of hi-tech culture. It's simply what looks like it works best for people at the time.
 
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PeteEU said:
Good that his suffering is over. May he rest in peace.
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He won't rest in peace. You could see it in his eyes the last few months he was alive, after he left Apple--there was sadness in his eyes that reflected deep regrets in life. He knew he made huge mistakes in his personal life and couldn't swallow it.
 
solletica said:
He won't rest in peace. You could see it in his eyes the last few months he was alive, after he left Apple--there was sadness in his eyes that reflected deep regrets in life. He knew he made huge mistakes in his personal life and couldn't swallow it.
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LOL, wow, man. Let the guy rest.

Let's just say....he kicked your ass in this life.
 
Re: Steve Jobs Dead at 56: MSNBC

His impact will continue to have a positive influence on the world for years to come.
 
Erod said:
LOL, wow, man. Let the guy rest.

Let's just say....he kicked your ass in this life.
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How? I never owned his products and my life was better for it :)

The asses he kicked were all the poor schmucks who got stuck in his closed, proprietary reality distortion field.
 
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