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Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

Ok, but my point is that speculation is a business forecasting tool that without, many could not accurately do the jobs that they do, hence they would have to hedge their costs themselves, increasing pricing to the consumer.
j-mac

Mostly BS
increasing pricing to the consumer
as I said a certain amount of speculation is good for the market, after that it's nothing more then thievery
 
Ok, but my point is that speculation is a business forecasting tool that without, many could not accurately do the jobs that they do, hence they would have to hedge their costs themselves, increasing pricing to the consumer.

j-mac

I never said that all speculation is bad, what I did say is that when speculation is sucking the blood out of our economy it's time to identify the problem and put regulations in place to keep it in check

FactCheck.org : Playing Politics with Gasoline Prices

Oil industry analysts say several factors contribute to high cost of crude oil: increased demand for oil as the world economy begins to recover, turmoil in oil producing countries in the Mideast and North Africa, a weaker U.S. dollar, and speculation in the oil futures market.
 
:shrug: you can argue about their relative importance all day long. that's what he was trying to address.

And I'm saying he's being dishonest.


yes, that is because (as I noted above) PP specifically counts each event separately in order to minimize the focus on paper. so, for example, if you come into PP because you believe you are pregnant and want to abort, and PP confirms that you are pregnant and sets up a date, and then you come back on that date and abort your baby; that is counted as a person coming in for a pregnancy test, and a person coming in for an abortion rather than the same person taking multiple procedures in the process of getting an abortion. slap on a post-abortion checkup and you've already reduced the number of patients receiving abortions to 1/3.


It doesn't change the fact what you claimed is completely false. The report states that: [we] provided nearly 11.4 million medical services for three million people

Assume the 332,278 abortions were done for individuals who get however many procedures you want, they are still only 11% of the people served. Far from the "overwhelming majority" you claimed. Unless you want to claim that each abortion can be done on more than 1 individual.
 
Are you seriously suggesting that Libbos don't refer to their opponents as racists/bigots/homophobes at every oppurtune moment? I think we call know that's a totally infantile claim you're making, there.


You used the word "you" when referring to the haymarket's post. So now you are moving away from your claim?

I keep asking for evidence of who these "libbos" or "those who lean a bit left" who say all these things as has been claimed, from Thrilla and another poster, but still no evidence has been forthcoming. The infantile claim is from those who make the claim but can't back it up.
 
that is beyond stupid
no other way to put it
that someone who wants to improve our social condition must therefor be a socialist is absurd, by any measure

this is the fellow who heads an organization which seeks to improve the working conditions of union employees

having the community/state as the business owner, as would be the circumstance within a socialist society, would not do anything but make his position more difficult

you must not understand either socialism or unionism ... more likely, you don't grasp an understanding of both
He wants to generate massive social change...much like the one term Marxist president Obama. When a leftist says those things what do you think he means?
 
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This is very much a typical comment of yours. "Blah. Blah blah blaha. bla blah bla bla bla bla blah. I think it describes perfectly the fear that so many on the right seem to be expressing by going overboard to mock, ridicule and attack these demonstrations. I suspect the right sees - for the first time in a long time - a public anger at the wealthy and that worries the right and scares them."

Two choices...you ARE that stupid to believe this is about left vs right, or you are such an enmeshed partisan hack that it is all you know how to and what to say. The right. Huh...what political lean are 7 of the top 10 wealthiest congressmen? Do you think Obama has a history of being in bed with the banks and Wall Street? Do you think ALL politicians have a history of being in bed with banks and corporations? Oh no...its...'the right'. How about the media...throw out Fox News...who owns NBC? And who has GE been most cozy with? Of course...no dems are involved in the banking bailouts or the Sally and Freddie crisis. The richest of the rich...the Oprahs, the Buffets, Gates, the parade of liberal elites...they are all 'The Right' huh?

What concerns me? Some people are stupid enough to just follow along and nod their head. Greater concern? Some are stupid enough to actually believe this is a left vs right issue. I know their are plenty of partisan whores that are going to try very hard to continue to make this a left vs right issue.

The wealthy...the left and right...the markets and the banks...what would happen if they just shut down for a month? What would happen if the wealthy just pulled ALL of their investment capital? What would happen to the average middle income Americans retirement accounts? What would happen to the job markets? What would happen to student loans, home loans, small business loans?

The people being protested against...if they were smart? They would very publicly give these assclowns everything they want. Pull ALL their money out of the markets...stick them in secure overseas markets. They should very much point out why...hey...just giving the unwashed masses what they want. Careful what you wish for.
 
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you missed - no surprise - the reason for Buffett's support
this very rich man is advocating a fair tax system which places more of the tax burden on that few who gain the most from the richness of the USA ... even tho such a measure would be to Buffett's personal financial detriment.

actually, no, it wouldn't.

many of us appreciate that he is not a self serving rich bastard

then you should look askance at his insistence that the government bail out banks that he is invested in (the name "Goldman Sachs" sound familiar? I believe there is currently some kind of protest going on loosely connected to the issue), hiding his money in trusts to avoid taxation, and selling of financial insurance products whose worth goes up if tax rates do.

Buffet isn't an idiot - he has made sure that he won't lose out if tax rates go up - the man actually makes a profit if they do.




yeesh. it's T Boone Pickens all over again :roll:
 
If that is the latest right wing meme, it reveals they are terrified of this entire movement - only really in its beginning stages.

yup. if there is one thing that will definitely pluck at the heart strings and speak deeply to the American people, it's invading the Smithsonian Museum and pooping on cop cars.
 
The wealthy...the left and right...the markets and the banks...what would happen if they just shut down for a month? What woulod happen if the wealthy just pulled ALL of their investment capital? What would happen to the average middle income Americans retirement accounts? What would happen to the job markets? What would happen to student loans, home loans, small business loans?

The people being protested against...if they were smart? They would very publicly give these assclowns everything they want. Pull ALL thier money out of the markets...stick them in secure overseas markets. They should very much point out why...hey...just giving the unwashed masses what they want. Careful what you wish for.

Is this what the protesters have been asking for? Source for this claim?
 
you kinda posted a little... weird, but i'll try to address what seemed to be your key points.

Gallup: Seniors Most Favorable to Ryan Budget

I have siblings on Medicaid. roughly a quarter of the uninsured qualify for Medicaid - including 69% of uninsured children. Another 43% have incomes above 250% of the poverty line - 55K for a family of 4. the CBO reports that roughly 60% of them are under the age of 35, and 86% report that they are in good or excellent health; many can probably be assumed to be uninsured by choice.

with the large job losses of the current recession, obviously, many have lost their insurance because they have lost their employment. which is argument #1,487 for making health insurance a portable individual market rather than employer-provided.

I currently live abroad as well (Japan), courtesy of the USMC. My experiences thus far with government healthcare have been atrocious. Waiting times are indeed much higher in UHC nations, and care is indeed much less available. for example, in Canada, the total median waiting time for patients between referral from a general practitioner and treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, increased to 18.3 weeks from 17.8 weeks observed in 2006, and the median waiting time period for an MRI was 10.1 weeks. In Britain, you can wait around 10 months to start getting treated after you are diagnosed with cancer. It seems this helps especially to keep healthcare costs down with respect to lung and prostrate cancer patients, as a higher percentage of them die in the meantime, thereby saving the state the expense. Incidentally, they don't have a death panel. Instead, they have the Orwellian-named N.I.C.E., which serves the same function:



generally speaking, if you get cancer, you want to get as far away from a UHC system as possible.

Can you say "Kill the goose"? Certain people aren't going to be happy unless the expand misery as far and wide as possible. To them there are just some people too lucky and way to happy.
 
Can you say "Kill the goose"? Certain people aren't going to be happy unless the expand misery as far and wide as possible. To them there are just some people too lucky and way to happy.

I've thought about that too... is this the 1% of 1% of the socialist / Marxists wannabes joined by Unions to simply make everyone as miserable and idiotic as they are or is this a real movement with a point? So far, the jury is out on that one.
 
If people were to become socialist simply to make people miserable, then fundamentally they would have to accept a point of view that is not socialist since they would be trying to spread misery by using socialism (which they would have to view as negative). This is just plain absurd to think people would want to do this.

More likely, they believe that their way is the way to the greater good.
 
Ah yes. It is the rightwing libertarian desire to weaken and even destroy labor unions and the destruction of General Motors would have further that extremist goal. Save the banks - save Wall Street - save corporate America even if it means holding your nose as you claimed you did - but smile from ear to ear and scream loudly for the destruction of the American labor movement.

nope. screw everyone equally - if you fail, it's no ones' fault or responsibility but your own.

No Bailouts. For corporate or union bigwigs alike.




as for "the system" breaking in the 80s - no "system" broke. The American People got stupid. we went from a 10% savings rate to a negative savings rate in that time period - because we got stupid (and shortsighted). as for the "no gains for those below" - again, that's on you. I work hard, educate myself on the side, and come from little enough - and I will likely retire a multimillionaire; and be making above the median wage before I'm 35.

:roll: the boomers spent their high-earning years taking out loans on their McMansions that they bought with adjustable rate mortgages in order to buy the latest plasma or take an extra vacation, and now they want to blame their problems on "the system". :roll:
 
If people were to become socialist simply to make people miserable, then fundamentally they would have to accept a point of view that is not socialist since they would be trying to spread misery by using socialism (which they would have to view as negative). This is just plain absurd to think people would want to do this.

I think you are assuming they give a crap about the greater good. in the meantime, i can alleviate my misery by taking from others.

There is nothing new under the sun.
 
Is this what the protesters have been asking for? Source for this claim?

You're damned right they are, and more.

Here they are from their own website....

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.

Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement! | OccupyWallSt.org Forum

Quite the list of Marx laden, BS is it not?

j-mac
 
as I recall, mortgage debt is about the size of the US economy.

so....these people are basically saying go back to subsistence farming, but at the same time insisting that subsistence farming will make us all fabulously wealthy...

i wonder if the "no debt" idea is just a spin-off of the no-student-debt driver, or everyone remembering how, like, totally awesome, like, that movie was, with Brad Pitt, and stuff.
 
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I've thought about that too... is this the 1% of 1% of the socialist / Marxists wannabes joined by Unions to simply make everyone as miserable and idiotic as they are or is this a real movement with a point? So far, the jury is out on that one.

First, I have to amend my previous statement by injecting "... joined by Union support", not the Unions. I've actually seen very little AFL-CIO or SEIU members participation. The Unions are at least lending some support via PR releases, I haven't really seen much actual participation by millions of the memberships.


If people were to become socialist simply to make people miserable, then fundamentally they would have to accept a point of view that is not socialist since they would be trying to spread misery by using socialism (which they would have to view as negative). This is just plain absurd to think people would want to do this.
I would tend to agree, therefore the premise that socialism = misery is probably not a conscious thought or effort, those who are pushing that point of view must therefore believe that the socialist changes they are calling for are actually GOOD.

More likely, they believe that their way is the way to the greater good.
They probably believe a lot of things... in actuality we don't really know what they believe as there isn't a coherent or cohesive view. I've found the following sites with all sorts of things from demands to "calls to action".


1.) Occupy Wall Street
A Modest Call to Action on this September 17th | OccupyWallSt.org

And so we call on people to act

  1. We call for protests to remain active in the cities. Those already there, to grow, to organize, to raise consciousnesses, for those cities where there are no protests, for protests to organize and disrupt the system.
  2. We call for workers to not only strike, but seize their workplaces collectively, and to organize them democratically. We call for students and teachers to act together, to teach democracy, not merely the teachers to the students, but the students to the teachers. To seize the classrooms and free minds together.
  3. We call for the unemployed to volunteer, to learn, to teach, to use what skills they have to support themselves as part of the revolting people as a community.
  4. We call for the organization of people's assemblies in every city, every public square, every township.
  5. We call for the seizure and use of abandoned buildings, of abandoned land, of every property seized and abandoned by speculators, for the people, for every group that will organize them.
We call for a revolution of the mind as well as the body politic.

2.) AFL-CIO Statement
Statement by AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka On Occupy Wall Street

As we did when we marched on Wall Street last year, working people call on corporations, big banks, and the financial industry to do their part to create good jobs, stop foreclosures and pay their fair share of taxes.
· Wall Street and corporate America must invest in America: Big corporations should invest some of the $2 trillion in cash they have on hand, and use it to create good jobs. And the banks themselves should be making credit more accessible to small businesses, instead of parking almost $1 trillion at the Federal Reserve.
· Stop foreclosures: Banks should write down the 14 million mortgages that are underwater and stop the more than 10 million pending foreclosures to stop the downward spiral of our housing markets and inject more than $70 billion into our economy.
· Fund education and jobs by taxing financial speculation: A tiny tax on financial transactions could raise hundreds of billions in revenue that could fund education and create jobs rebuilding our country. And it would discourage speculation and encourage long term investment.
We will open our union halls and community centers as well as our arms and our hearts to those with the courage to stand up and demand a better America.


3.) Occupy Wall Street (un-official demands)

Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement! | OccupyWallSt.org Forum

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.
Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.
Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
Demand four: Free college education.
Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.
Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.
Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.
Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.
Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.
Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.
Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.
Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.
These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.

4.) Occupy Wall Street (official demands)
Occupy Wall Street - Official Demands - coupmedia.org

Repeal of the patriot act
Eleimate "Personhood" legal status for corporations
Forced acquisition of the federal reserve for 1 billion dollars
Repeal the 16th amendment
Re-investigate the attacks of 9-11-2001
What to name the Occupy Wall Street demands
CONGRESS ENACT LEGISLATION TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY BY REVERSING THE EFFECTS OF THE CITIZENS UNITED SUPREME COURT DECISION
End the War On Drugs
Require all Corporations to have Labour Representatives on Company Boards
National Repeal of Capital Punishment
Nationalize Health Care
Free education Kindergarten through college
CONGRESS PASS HR 1489 ("RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT
Outlaw flash trading
End Gender Discrimination - Equal Pay for Women
Office of the Citizen
The United States must sign and ratify all human rights agreements with all other countries
USE CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE FEDERAL AGENCIES FULLY INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE THE WALL STREET CRIMINALS
restore true democracy to the government
Environmental Responsibility Reform
Repeal REX-84 - Concerning Martial Law
Creat A Board of Officers to Manage the Demands
Real Health Care Reform
CONGRESS PASS THE BUFFETT RULE ON FAIR TAXATION
CONGRESS COMPLETELY REVAMP THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
CONGRESS PASS SPECIFIC AND EFFECTIVE LAWS LIMITING THE INFLUENCE OF LOBBYISTS
CONGRESS PASSING "Revolving Door Legislation"

Lots of these things can be claimed as "for the common good", I'm sure there are extremists who would, given the chance, change our religions, our political systems, our outlooks, our freedoms (or lack thereof) all for what THEY consider "the common good".
 
nope. screw everyone equally - if you fail, it's no ones' fault or responsibility but your own.

No Bailouts. For corporate or union bigwigs alike.




as for "the system" breaking in the 80s - no "system" broke. The American People got stupid. we went from a 10% savings rate to a negative savings rate in that time period - because we got stupid (and shortsighted). as for the "no gains for those below" - again, that's on you. I work hard, educate myself on the side, and come from little enough - and I will likely retire a multimillionaire; and be making above the median wage before I'm 35.

GOT STUPID? Maybe their was a stupid virus going around

:roll: the boomers spent their high-earning years taking out loans on their McMansions that they bought with adjustable rate mortgages in order to buy the latest plasma or take an extra vacation, and now they want to blame their problems on "the system". :roll:

Do you think you may be sterotyping just a little, btw what age brackett do you consider boomers in?

Just a question please don't be upset, Have you ever considered anger management? Your parents are they boomers? Where you picked on in school? Like I said I am just trying to under stand your apparent hatred. Relax sit back and take a few deep breaths
 
GOT STUPID? Maybe their was a stupid virus going around
It's a colorful euphemism to describe the malaise of our society and forgetting what is fiscally important both as a nation and individually.



Just a question please don't be upset, Have you ever considered anger management?
Just my 2 cents but he doesn't seem particularly angry - it may be that your perception is being modified by the written word and the in formalness of a political forum posting.

Your parents are they boomers? Where you picked on in school? Like I said I am just trying to under stand your apparent hatred. Relax sit back and take a few deep breaths
Again... you're interpretation seems lost in translation.
 
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GOT STUPID? Maybe their was a stupid virus going around

no; just a generation of people taking the reins who had decided to buy into instant gratification as a personal, governing, and financial philosophy.

Do you think you may be sterotyping just a little, btw what age brackett do you consider boomers in?

Boomers started roughly in 1945, and continued roughly getting born into the early 60's. IOW, the demographic who just wasted their peak earning years, and has very little saved for retirement, but is about to destroy the entitlement system designed to be a safety net for such scenarios.

Just a question please don't be upset, Have you ever considered anger management? Your parents are they boomers? Where you picked on in school? Like I said I am just trying to under stand your apparent hatred. Relax sit back and take a few deep breaths

hatred? nah, my hatred is reserved for those who specifically rate it. I just don't respect the boomers very much - they took a great thing and have generally F*&('d up everything they touched. my folks are boomers - and are smarter than most of the rest of their generation. never divorced, lived beneath their means, and taught me to do likewise.
 
After reading the various threads on this same subject here, and paying special attention to the vitriolic responses from those on the right side of the political spectrum, two dominant themes appear

1) this is a new and different type of protest that seems to defy leadership, a core goal, and adopts methods and tactics far different than many others we are use to seeing. Because of that his confuses many and even angers them since it is the 'shock of the new' and it bewilders and confuses them..... and they don't like that one bit.

2) The intensity and anger that so many right wing posters have displayed obsessing over these rather minor events is entirely due to their adoration of capitalism and the corporatists who control Wall Street and our economic system and the threat they perceive from a bunch of unwashed modern hippies carrying around Mao's little red book, the bio of Leon Trotsky and a bomb making manual from August Spies.. or so they would have us believe. They see their meal ticket threatened and - for the first time in a longtime - see protest against what they hold dear. Many on the right are simply sycophants of corporatism and the wealthy and they will do their best to defend their masters as a way of self protection. It is the first instinct of any organism to protect itself and the toadies of capitalism are responding in knee jerk fashion.
 
I think their focus is so broad as to have no focus at all beyond disruption.

Personally, I think they should all focus on Big Bank Foreclosure Procedures. People lose their homes for various reasons. They may have lost their jobs; maybe their interest rate reset and, because their home isn't worth what they paid for it, they can't refinance; maybe they've just decided, "Ya' know what? I owe $300,000 on my home, and it's only worth $250,000. I'm going to walk away."

There's lots of places to put blame for the fact that most people lost 25% of the value of their homes; but one of those places is definitely Wall Street. And in no small measure.

So. How do the banks handle people whose mortgages are delinquent? They foreclose. Oh, they may "do a work out" with some of them; but those are far and few between. In most instances, they begin foreclosure proceedings immedately. In most states, foreclosure can take a year or more. The people living in the homes stop paying their mortgage and resign themselves to the fact that they're going to be evicted down the road...so they live there rent-free. They don't care anymore because the house they bought three years ago for $300,000 is only worth $250,000 today. When they're forced to move, many of them strip the house of the light fixtures, appliances, plumbing fixtures...heck, some of them even take the hot water tank and air conditioner. And, of course, they stop taking care of the home because, frankly, who gives a damn anymore? And eventually, after a year or so, they move out.

When the foreclosure proceedings are completed, the bank hires contractors to put the house back into saleable condition -- they're easily dropping $15-$20,000 into repairs. And thousands into attorneys' fees, etc. They begin paying the real estate taxes and other expenses (like heat/lawncare, etc.) on the homes immediately....paying off the arrearage as well as current taxes. Then they put these distressed homes on the market, flooding the market and driving prices down even further. Eventually, maybe a year later, after easily laying out 50,000 or more, they sell the home for $225,000.

Had they offered the original owner forgiveness on $50,000 of their debt, the bank would have saved money, the real estate market wouldn't be flooded with distressed properties, real estate would stabilize, a family wouldn't have their credit trashed and have gone through the terrible process of losing their home.

We bailed out the banks big-time. So they could screw distressed homeowners with impunity.

Demonstrate on that. And, one more thing -- demonstrate against our government for not holding even one of these jamokes responsible for this debacle.
 
After reading the various threads on this same subject here, and paying special attention to the vitriolic responses from those on the right side of the political spectrum, two dominant themes appear

1) this is a new and different type of protest that seems to defy leadership, a core goal, and adopts methods and tactics far different than many others we are use to seeing. Because of that his confuses many and even angers them since it is the 'shock of the new' and it bewilders and confuses them..... and they don't like that one bit.
It's very similar to the 1960's with one exception - the civil rights movement was very focused and literal in their wants and needs. This current protest is disjointed, disorganized and incoherent. It's true, I do like a clear focus --- call me crazy.

2) The intensity and anger that so many right wing posters have displayed obsessing over these rather minor events is entirely due to their adoration of capitalism and the corporatists who control Wall Street and our economic system and the threat they perceive from a bunch of unwashed modern hippies carrying around Mao's little red book, the bio of Leon Trotsky and a bomb making manual from August Spies.. or so they would have us believe. They see their meal ticket threatened and - for the first time in a longtime - see protest against what they hold dear. Many on the right are simply sycophants of corporatism and the wealthy and they will do their best to defend their masters as a way of self protection. It is the first instinct of any organism to protect itself and the toadies of capitalism are responding in knee jerk fashion.

I'm not wealthy and your ad hominem ladened rants is very entertaining, albeit partisan and ignorant. I admit, I do like corporatism I think it's the best system around (Your Mao nonsense seems to undercut how China has embraced, in a modern sense, capitalism), but if this OWS movement is going to be anything other than professional protesters demanding socialistic or as you say, Maoist or Trotsky-ist policy, they will sooner or later either have to temper their message and make it clearer, or become irrelevant and get dismiss
 
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