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Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

Eighty Deuce said:
As Obama would say .... "WTF". Where are they "more popular" ? Not in Nov 2010 they were not. Not in the latest polls that show Obama dropping like a rock, losing by 6 points to "any Republican". Not in the way Democrat Senators won't touch his JOBS plan.

A bunch of astro-turf loons on Wall Street does not a popular movement make. ;) If you believe this will translate to momentum for liberal politicians in the polls 13 months from now ....... I'll be one of the first to say "I told you so" to all this failed liberal nonsense.
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Hint: politicians =! Policies
 
Mach said:
Unfortunately we do. TMZ is popular not because of TMZ's marketing. Let's face it, celebrity crotch shots are just more appealing than the intricacies of finance policy.

I agree. I'm just jaded, because I have seen consistent reliable evidence that most people are able to focus on the root problems, much less identify them. All experience in life, work, DP, all suggests those will always be in the minority. Lifes hard, I don't have any easy answer :)
Let me add, even if we look hard at the problem, and are smart, we can still get it wrong half the time. It's just that complicated...
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It is complicated and we all do the best we can. It's natural that some are going to be more successful in life in financial terms, others less successful but we should not begrudge those who have more financial success. Sometimes it's just too much work for most of us. Too much planning.

There are other rewards in life, like a family and children. Good friends and neighbors. A good name with the respect of others.

There are more opportunities in life than there have ever been yet many can't see it. Like you say, they see small and trivial little pictures while the big one eludes them. I sure don't know the answers but i reckon blocking traffic isn't one of them.
 
Well that settles it. The Union is there so Wall Street will just give up and leave, never to come back...right.
 
Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
The difference is the left was not saying the Tea-Baggers were undermining the very fabric of our society and driving our economy into the ground, etc. because they were rallying. Nor was the left justifying brut-force on Tea-Baggers with 'they had it coming' type rhetoric. They just noted their ideas were out-there-flapping.

That this rally is looking more and more like the civil rights rallies and the anti-Vietnam war rallies is exactly what has the financial institutions and their stockholders worried. Things might actually get changed if politicians who are supporting their being self-regulatory, given lower tax rates and bailed-out when needed get booted out of office.

This is not a right wing or left wing movement exclusively. There are people on both sides who want more external oversight and no more bailouts. The financial industry and the wealthy are trying to use the pundits and MSM outlet they own to keep those on the right who hold these views from figuring that out and joining the occupy Wall Street movement.
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Okay, I haven't read the entire thread, but I'm not seeing "the right" saying those things about this protest, for one. Secondly, I definitely recall some hacky lefties (famous and non-famous) saying some pretty disgusting things about tea partiers....so again, I'd say the anti-whatever sentiments go both ways, and both sides are pretty dickish towards the causes attributed to the opposition.
 
haymarket said:
I would be most interested in reading the factual evidence you can present to support this assertion.
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Would their connection with organized crime, 600k salaries to 'union officials' that are sons of known mob members, missing cash from funds...would that qualify? Just curious...before...I REPOST those same facts and figures as I posted in the Wisconsin thread...which I know you saw.
 
This "rent a movement" is looking more and more like "rent-a-wreck". These loons are disorderly in many places, leading to the multiple arrests. The true Tea Party rallies never were disorderly. Not once.

While no one will argue the merits of at least debating bail-outs, the liberal cause was hardly against bail-outs and give-aways. The liberal politicians supported it, and then came up with the biggest give-a-way of them all .... Stimulus. Where instead of getting "shovel ready" we got a shovel full.

The bulk of what you hear from the airhead moonbats is about "fairness", and their pathetic 1% - 99% mantra. This is all about free stuff and redistribution for Obama's socialist minions. What is most pathetic is that Obama is now embracing this cabal of freaks. His Presidency is so absolutely failed and ethically bankrupt that its going to be "don't blame me, blame Wall Street (and the GOP)" from here on out.

Democrats. Controlled Congress since 2006. Now Obama has blown more money than anyone. But blame Wall Street. :roll:
 
cpwill said:
:lamo Congratulations, guys. You could not have picked a more inchoate, idiot group of hippies to tie your public image too. Half these people want to destroy your jobs... but you can't help yourself, and rush to join in with anyone yelling about the rich.


:) alternate headline for this story: Unions Jump Shark.
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I wonder if any of these labor unions realize that if they raise the minimum wage to 20 dollars an hour(one of the ideas of these protesters) and people can make that regardless if they work or not(another idiotic idea of these protesters) those in the in the labor unions will not make extra just because the minimum wage increased to 20 an hour.
 
tessaesque said:
Okay, I haven't read the entire thread, but I'm not seeing "the right" saying those things about this protest, for one. Secondly, I definitely recall some hacky lefties (famous and non-famous) saying some pretty disgusting things about tea partiers....so again, I'd say the anti-whatever sentiments go both ways, and both sides are pretty dickish towards the causes attributed to the opposition.
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Beck said some of those things. Of course, as some one who has condemned the unfair attacks against the Tea Party(racist for example), I am being entirely consistent when I say that stupid attacks against this group is just that, stupid. They are little different than the Tea Party. They are entirely within their rights to protest and demonstrate, and when they step outside the law, I have no problem with them being arrested. I will not suggest that the random asshole in the Tea Party or this group is representative of the whole group. I also will not play childish tit for tat games.
 
jamesrage said:
I wonder if any of these labor unions realize that if they raise the minimum wage to 20 dollars an hour(one of the ideas of these protesters) and people can make that regardless if they work or not(another idiotic idea of these protesters) those in the in the labor unions will not make extra just because the minimum wage increased to 20 an hour.
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You should read the thread. It will save you from embarrassment, as this has already been debunked. That is an idea of one of the protesters. One.
 
iliveonramen said:
Basically that's a post by some random person on the occupy Wall St website. The website actually added a disclaimer to the persons post due to conservative media sources posting it everywhere that's it's just one individuals post.
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So there no list of demand and the protesters are protesting for the hell of it?
 
hmmm... from their website...
The American Dream has been stolen from the world. Workers are told that they aren't allowed health care, shelter, food. Students are told that they aren't allowed jobs, and that they will be in debt for the rest of their lives, unable to declare bankruptcy. The 1% has destroyed this nation and its values through their greed. The 1% has stolen this world. We will not allow this to occur.
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who said workers aren't allowed healthcare, shelter, or food?
who says they aren't allowed jobs?
who said they are unable to declare bankruptcy?
how did the 1% steal the world?


the statement form their website is garbage... it's a series of false statements
in short, it's propaganda.
I also doubt the veracity of their statement of this movement being of "many political persuasions"... i've seen no evidence of this being true. ( i won't go as far as saying this is a falsehood though.. just that i doubt it's true)

it would be better if they were honest .. honesty is always a better foundation for a movement than falsehoods.

as for unions being involved now.. it doesn't surprise me...Unions are big on putting on a showing of solidarity with the proletariat.


i'm not a fan of protesting (even though i will support anyone exercising their right to do so.)
this protest is no different for me.. i'm not a fan... I generally find more productive methods of protesting than hanging out with like minded people.
 
Redress said:
Beck said some of those things. Of course, as some one who has condemned the unfair attacks against the Tea Party(racist for example), I am being entirely consistent when I say that stupid attacks against this group is just that, stupid. They are little different than the Tea Party. They are entirely within their rights to protest and demonstrate, and when they step outside the law, I have no problem with them being arrested. I will not suggest that the random asshole in the Tea Party or this group is representative of the whole group. I also will not play childish tit for tat games.
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Agreed. If any participant in a Tea Party rally were do disrespect or disobey the Law, then a night in the hoosegow for them. However, this is not a comparison about same punishment for the same offense. The fact is that this collection of moonbats has already had mass arrests for mass violations of the law. Primarily disruptng other folks who were only minding their own business, going to and from work, etc. The moonbats are not plagued by a "random asshole", but rather being a "random asshole" is so far common to them. It is not "stupid" to point out the much more rampant lawlessness of this group. Its night and day already between them and the Tea Party. These rally punks on Wall Street tend to the liberal, and liberal tends towards vandalism and trashing the rights of others.

If you doubt me, and possibly own two cars, then this is your challenge. As the 2012 election draws near, put a bumper sticker for the Dem on one car, and the Repub on the other. Alternate parking them in public places when you shop. Here's a helpful hint: Put the Obama sticker on the nicer car.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Agreed. If any participant in a Tea Party rally were do disrespect or disobey the Law, then a night in the hoosegow for them. However, this is not a comparison about same punishment for the same offense. The fact is that this collection of moonbats has already had mass arrests for mass violations of the law. Primarily disruptng other folks who were only minding their own business, going to and from work, etc.
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Spoken like a true phony Constitutionalist.

My college Prof. always said the Govmnt wanted to get rid of that document, he was right, and you think they should too!
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Agreed. If any participant in a Tea Party rally were do disrespect or disobey the Law, then a night in the hoosegow for them. However, this is not a comparison about same punishment for the same offense. The fact is that this collection of moonbats has already had mass arrests for mass violations of the law. Primarily disruptng other folks who were only minding their own business, going to and from work, etc. The moonbats are not plagued by a "random asshole", but rather being a "random asshole" is so far common to them. It is not "stupid" to point out the much more rampant lawlessness of this group. Its night and day already between them and the Tea Party. These rally punks on Wall Street tend to the liberal, and liberal tends towards vandalism and trashing the rights of others.

If you doubt me, and possibly own two cars, then this is your challenge. As the 2012 election draws near, put a bumper sticker for the Dem on one car, and the Repub on the other. Alternate parking them in public places when you shop. Here's a helpful hint: Put the Obama sticker on the nicer car.
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I don't know.

Where I live there is a considerable problem each election with theft and defacement of campaign signs.

Democrat signs.

So if you're in Solana Beach CA, I suggest you reverse the sticker placement suggested by eighty deuce!
 
If you doubt me, and possibly own two cars, then this is your challenge. As the 2012 election draws near, put a bumper sticker for the Dem on one car, and the Repub on the other. Alternate parking them in public places when you shop. Here's a helpful hint: Put the Obama sticker on the nicer car.
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Identity politics....in Florida a conservative rammed a car in front of him because it had an Obama sticker. Does this mean it's common practice across the country?
 
Kane said:
Spoken like a true phony Constitutionalist.

My college Prof. always said the Govmnt wanted to get rid of that document, he was right, and you think they should too!
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Careful. If you think any deeper, they will ask you to get out of the kiddie pool.
 
iliveonramen said:
Identity politics....in Florida a conservative rammed a car in front of him because it had an Obama sticker. Does this mean it's common practice across the country?
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Well, your gut may tell you to not put any sticker on your car, for fear of the loons on both sides. However, the challenge stands at least for folks to think about. Google searches with regard to the 2008 election support my contention, but I am not relying on unofficial statistics or reports. Just everyone's own gut feelings.
 
I said when this started...its going to get bigger and bigger and it has....The teaparty was running their agenda like they had impunity and had the ENTIRE country behind them...they thought their of the rich for the rich agenda was going to just breeze through without any opposition from the mass's....Ive said many times..the flock is slow on the uptake...but once they finally get it...all hell breaks loose in america.
The games are just beginning..
 
lpast said:
I said when this started...its going to get bigger and bigger and it has....The teaparty was running their agenda like they had impunity and had the ENTIRE country behind them...they thought their of the rich for the rich agenda was going to just breeze through without any opposition from the mass's....Ive said many times..the flock is slow on the uptake...but once they finally get it...all hell breaks loose in america.
The games are just beginning..
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Oh really ? What kept these left-loons from voting in 2010 ? Why is Obama still plunging in the polls ? Why have Democrat Senators run from him, his JOBS bill, and his endorsement on the stump ?

This is not a wave sweeping the country. Its a last gasp by the free-loaders. We got 50 million or so in the country. Enough to whine in public for some time. And then get crushed in Nov 2012.
 
Kane said:
Spoken like a true phony Constitutionalist.

My college Prof. always said the Govmnt wanted to get rid of that document, he was right, and you think they should too!
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Eighty Deuce said:
Careful. If you think any deeper, they will ask you to get out of the kiddie pool.
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Those shallow depths are for your statements!

This is what happens when the media is owned by Mickey Mouse, Fox Fascist Warmongers, NBC the Defense contractor, and CNN - the CIA News Network!:roll:
 
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