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Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

haymarket said:
I am not suggesting anything. I am speaking quite directly to you and telling you without any hint of ambiguity that if you make statements about me - be man enough to back them up with those statements.

Is that clear enough for you?

Here is what you said about ME



So now back it up with exact quotes from me or man up and retract that slur.

Or don't and let those actions speak even louder.
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You've never called a Rightie a racist? Ever?


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!!!
 
apdst said:
You've never called a Rightie a racist? Ever?


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!!!
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You are squirming like a worm on a hook. Instead of attempting to move the goal posts, all you have to do is find my own words where I did just what you accuse me of

Intersting! Those are the same people that you call racists for disagreeing with the Libbos.
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Or man up and retract your slur. But please, instead of doing that continue to try to weasel your way out of this. Its fun to watch.
 
apdst said:
I'm sure some journalist is an expert on the subject, too. I'm thinking...uh...no!
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How many links discussing the storage of oil in tankers do you want?

The first google page was full of them. Including a wiki article.

Youre just being dishonest now.
 
haymarket said:
You seem to possess a very wide and detailed 'knowledge' of all these persons. Just how did you acquire all this 'information'?
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Actually a fair amount of it comes from observing people like you. And you premeptively prove my point just a few posts later with your littany and tirade against Reagan, Republicans, Libertarians, and 'the Koch brothers'. Now...who did you leave out...hmmm...I wonder...

myopic mindless ideologues...God love em!!!
 
VanceMack said:
Actually a fair amount of it comes from observing people like you. And you premeptively prove my point just a few posts later with your littany and tirade against Reagan, Republicans, Libertarians, and 'the Koch brothers'. Now...who did you leave out...hmmm...I wonder...

myopic mindless ideologues...God love em!!!
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That is silly. I am not involved in these demonstrations and the people you are attacking are not me. I gave you reality - you return with fantasy.
 
EarlzP said:
If all commodity trading has the same economic impact on the poor and elderly in fact on any one then it should be regulated to lessen the impact on every one, it's nothing more then one of the ways that allows the rich to economically plunder from those who have no choice but to pay the price or sit in a cold house or give up eating
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By the same token, our national energy policy, or misguided energy policy, or no energy policy, has more such impact. You want to blame the "rich speculators", but the bottom line is that when one imports 40% of their energy, we are at the mercy of everyone else. Blame all Presidents for the last 30 years if you want, but Obama is the worst so far, not only impeding energy development, but instead throwing money at the absolute failure that is green energy.

Let me ask you some thing does and i don't mean to sterotype anyone but I notice what could be a reading comprehension problem with some not all conservatives the reason I bring this up is the article I quoted said the price of oil to increase as much as 50% and then I added doesn't that suck? Lets say the article was wrong and speculation only added 20% to the price of gallon would that still suck? What is youre honest opinon?

Please don't be offended but I think maybe some of the protestors might be upset by some thing called speculation, Did you know that people of means can buy oil, never touch it,smell it,store it or do any thing more then hold on to it until they create an artifical shortage and then sell it at a huge profit? That profit causes the price of oil to increase as much as 50% doesn't that suck?

I don't claim that every rich person steals by speculating but it makes you wonder if they were some how not involved in stealing the heat from someone's grandma's house or the food from some poor kid's table. Any how you are not involved in that type of
thievery are you? If I was I would be more then happy to help those less fortunate then myself, I mean I could have been without being remotely aware of it. Just in case I made a donation to OWS
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And the price of a barrel of oil, relative to inflation, has drifted above and below a standard for the last 30 years. While you protest speculators who "got rich stealing from Grandma" (my paraphrase), there are just as many who lost. That is the nature of speculation when something does not always go up :)

Lets see you think that the Presidents energy policy is FUBAR, and you really think that drill baby drill is the answer? Do tyou think that more oil will curtail speculators? Do you think that we will ever run out of oil for the drill baby drillers to drill and when we do would you rather have some in the ground that we can drill for or would you rather be paying opec prices. Lets say that life essential need products "oil being one" speculation is regulated would that mean that we should sit by idily and wait for other alternative fuels to be developed? Look into the future the one that you and I may not be part of and think hard about what those who will be part of that future need to survive
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Its not just "drill baby drill". Its build nuke plants. Its clean coal. It sure as heck is not dumping money down green energy rabbit holes like Solyndra. We will transition to other forms of energy when it is cost-effective to do so. The market will make that happen all on its own. In the meantime, importing 40% of our oil is the single biggest base root of our unemployment, via trade deficit, out there.

We have had highly prosperous economic times all through decades of speculation in the commodities market, btw. It ain't speculation that ills us.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1059858453 said:
Who do you think created capitalism?
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Perhaps you mean 'prostitutes', as a prostitute receives payment for services rendered. Those who are taking up space on the streets are demanding money for doing nothing. A pimp analogy might work a little better for them..
 
haymarket said:
That is silly. I am not involved in these demonstrations and the people you are attacking are not me. I gave you reality - you return with fantasy.
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Your own words nail you more convincingly than anything I could ever say. You are the quintescential union whore and partisan hack. Every post you have ever made here proves it.
 
haymarket said:
Actually you could not be more wrong. Unions were very happy with the old America of just a couple of generations ago. We were a prosperous nation and the disparity of wealthy was not great.

Then Ronald Reagan got elected. Then ALEC came along. Then libertarian right wing think tanks hijacked the conservative movement and then the Republican Party. Then the Kock Bros emerged from under their daddy's rock.

Unions know exactly what America they want to see again.
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Yes, and we can see their ideas at work in Detroit.

'What's good for Detroit id good for America', a great campaign slogan.
 
VanceMack said:
Comical...in a thread discussing the 'Occupy Wall Street' movement and people who are really just upset with the influence bankers and stock brokers have over elections and government, you fall all over yourself to defend the second wealthiest man in the country because he is dumping cash into YOUR politicians pocket. Way to typify every myopic partisan hack from both sides of the political spectrum there, Pete...
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you missed - no surprise - the reason for Buffett's support
this very rich man is advocating a fair tax system which places more of the tax burden on that few who gain the most from the richness of the USA ... even tho such a measure would be to Buffett's personal financial detriment. many of us appreciate that he is not a self serving rich bastard ... plenty of those in the republican party, as well as the demo party. which is why this occupation is about social issues of disparity rather than a partisan one

and Buffett himself has stated that we are in the midst of a class war and the rich are winning. he would have an excellent vantage to make such a valid observation. again, one which is other than self serving to him
 
Thrilla said:
wait a minute... they have whores?.... nobody told me there were whores.


gotta get my shoes on and go join up now....
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Don't get too excited Thrilla - we're not talking the high class, high roller hookers... we're talking "hoe" grade whores. Ones that'll take out theiir dentures and give you a "gum job" for $10 extra.
 
haymarket said:
Actually you could not be more wrong. Unions were very happy with the old America of just a couple of generations ago. We were a prosperous nation and the disparity of wealthy was not great.

Then Ronald Reagan got elected. Then ALEC came along. Then libertarian right wing think tanks hijacked the conservative movement and then the Republican Party. Then the Kock Bros emerged from under their daddy's rock.

Unions know exactly what America they want to see again.
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Sorry, but not so. For those of us who lived through it, unions began to fail when "made in Japan" started showing up on store shelves, and then our highways (courtesy of the glaringly lousy cars we made as demonstrated with the 70's oil embargo and gas spikes), and then "made in China ... Korea .... Malaysia ...... India ... etc". In 1970, most of America didn't even know Honda made cars.

It wasn't Reagan, or the GOP, or any President that ruined the unions. It was their own sloth and non-competitiveness.

The truth is painful to libs at times though.
 
justabubba said:
you missed - no surprise - the reason for Buffett's support
this very rich man is advocating a fair tax system which places more of the tax burden on that few who gain the most from the richness of the USA ... even tho such a measure would be to Buffett's personal financial detriment. many of us appreciate that he is not a self serving rich bastard ... plenty of those in the republican party, as well as the demo party. which is why this occupation is about social issues of disparity rather than a partisan one

and Buffett himself has stated that we are in the midst of a class war and the rich are winning. he would have an excellent vantage to make such a valid observation. again, one which is other than self serving to him
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Its easy for an 81 year old nearly dead man that has accumulated tremendous wealth through all those means you and the protesters despise to now become philanthropical (yet...he is still earning those megabucks and still dumping money into political campaigns). But he doesnt have to wait for the government to pass new laws...he can just GIVE it to them RIGHT NOW. Not wait til he is dead...NOW...he should keep a modest sum and just turn the rest over to the government. Him and all the liberal multi multi millionaires. 7 of the top 10 richest politicians...democrats (OK...so John Kerry earned his by sleeping with the Yeti Heiress...still). All the Hollywood elite. all the rich libewrals...the 1% ers out there...if they BELIEVE what they say and what you think they believe then why havent they already done all of this?
 
justabubba said:
you missed - no surprise - the reason for Buffett's support
this very rich man is advocating a fair tax system which places more of the tax burden on that few who gain the most from the richness of the USA ... even tho such a measure would be to Buffett's personal financial detriment. many of us appreciate that he is not a self serving rich bastard ... plenty of those in the republican party, as well as the demo party. which is why this occupation is about social issues of disparity rather than a partisan one

and Buffett himself has stated that we are in the midst of a class war and the rich are winning. he would have an excellent vantage to make such a valid observation. again, one which is other than self serving to him
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The class war that is going, advanced by the Libbos, is for the super rich.

If it becomes harder to get rich--as Libbos propose--then Buffet's billions are safe from the competition.

Sadly, the Libbos are doing more to help the super rich stay super rich and further insure that the middle class folks will never get ahead.
 
VanceMack said:
Its easy for an 81 year old nearly dead man that has accumulated tremendous wealth through all those means you and the protesters despise to now become philanthropical (yet...he is still earning those megabucks and still dumping money into political campaigns). But he doesnt have to wait for the government to pass new laws...he can just GIVE it to them RIGHT NOW. Not wait til he is dead...NOW...he should keep a modest sum and just turn the rest over to the government. Him and all the liberal multi multi millionaires. 7 of the top 10 richest politicians...democrats (OK...so John Kerry earned his by sleeping with the Yeti Heiress...still). All the Hollywood elite. all the rich libewrals...the 1% ers out there...if they BELIEVE what they say and what you think they believe then why havent they already done all of this?
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because it would not accomplish much
 
justabubba said:
because it would not accomplish much
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Really? Buffets billions, all the other wealthy people and their billions...they just hang onto it because 'it wouldnt accomplish much'? Why...that must mean there are greater considerations here than just taking more from the wealthy. There would have to be all kinds of changes, including government spending, incentiving industry to bring back jobs, industry/labor cooperation to make those jobs profitable for all. Investment and personal responsibility. Huh...go figure...you are 100% correct...just stealing money away from the wealthy WONT make a difference. You should tell that to the 99%ers.
 
VanceMack said:
Really? Buffets billions, all the other wealthy people and their billions...they just hang onto it because 'it wouldnt accomplish much'?
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which way are you going to argue
before you expected Buffett to turn over his wealth voluntarily rather than expect all of the 1% to pony up more in taxes
now you want to argue my position. that all of the 1% should expect to pay more
and if they did, it would accomplish a lot. Buffett, by himself ... not so much

which causes me to question if you even know what you are arguing about

Why...that must mean there are greater considerations here than just taking more from the wealthy. There would have to be all kinds of changes, including government spending, ...
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i missed it. would you please copy and paste the post in this thread where the forum member argued against appropriate spending cuts
it appears that you again have forgotten what point you are trying to make ... or possibly your point needs to be posted in a more appropriate thread relative to whether government spending cuts should be undertaken

...incentiving industry to bring back jobs, ...
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then tell us what should be done to incentivize the return of lost jobs
i am betting this was nothing more than empty blather ... but prove me wrong

... industry/labor cooperation to make those jobs profitable for all. ...
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tell us how you propose we get industry and labor to cooperate
further, tell us how one makes a job more profitable. that slip gives you away. you clearly want labor to give up even more concessions such that business becomes even more profitable than at present - at labor's expense

Investment and personal responsibility. Huh...go figure...you are 100% correct...just stealing money away from the wealthy WONT make a difference. You should tell that to the 99%ers.
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no one is proposing that anything be stolen. we will leave that for republicans and elections
having Buffett voluntarily give up his wealth to pay down the nation's deficit won't accomplish much, but to increase taxes on that 1% who hold 33.8% of the nation's wealth would be a very effective way to balance our nation's budget. tell us why you believe it would not be an effective way to balance our budget
... this should be rich [weak ass pun intended]
 
justabubba said:
which way are you going to argue
before you expected Buffett to turn over his wealth voluntarily rather than expect all of the 1% to pony up more in taxes
now you want to argue my position. that all of the 1% should expect to pay more
and if they did, it would accomplish a lot. Buffett, by himself ... not so much

which causes me to question if you even know what you are arguing about


i missed it. would you please copy and paste the post in this thread where the forum member argued against appropriate spending cuts
it appears that you again have forgotten what point you are trying to make ... or possibly your point needs to be posted in a more appropriate thread relative to whether government spending cuts should be undertaken


then tell us what should be done to incentivize the return of lost jobs
i am betting this was nothing more than empty blather ... but prove me wrong


tell us how you propose we get industry and labor to cooperate
further, tell us how one makes a job more profitable. that slip gives you away. you clearly want labor to give up even more concessions such that business becomes even more profitable than at present - at labor's expense


no one is proposing that anything be stolen. we will leave that for republicans and elections
having Buffett voluntarily give up his wealth to pay down the nation's deficit won't accomplish much, but to increase taxes on that 1% who hold 33.8% of the nation's wealth would be a very effective way to balance our nation's budget. tell us why you believe it would not be an effective way to balance our budget
... this should be rich [weak ass pun intended]
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:lamo Myopic partisan hacks...ALWAYS good for a laugh. Yes...it is the REPUBLICANS...democrats arent at fault. Democrats dont engage in election hijinx...where ignorance is bliss you have to be happy as a pig in slop...or just dishonest. I suspect the latter...I dont think ANYONE is that stupid.

You ask how I propose we bring labor and industry together...surely you have seen me post it before...bring them to the table and 'encourage' them to work it out. Costs, profits, acceptable gains, proper incentives, affordable salary, not unlike what is happening with the NBA. Where industry refuses to cooperate, tariff the hell out of any good or product manufactured by an American company overseas and shipped back to the US for sale or manufacture. Where Labor refuses to cooperate and be realistic, shut them down and out of the conversations completely. It would require little government regulation but cooperation at every level. If we are to survive as a country, the industrial base MUST be rebuilt. Personally...I dont think it would be that difficult. It would require the parties...BOTH parties...to start playing hardball with industry and labor and stop taking it in the ass for their campaign contributions. In other words they would have to start being elected officials and represent the good of the people over the good of their party.
 
hazlnut said:
Exercising free speech. That's what's got you upset?

So, when someone who votes for the Black president or supports him, you find that offensive... the exercising of that particular free speech.




FAIL - you said 'gabillions'. When you get those numbers, please get back to us. Until then - F A I L.

And you naively tried to portray shorting stocks as a bad liberal thing... that was very humorous.

A brilliant and wealthy man supports the current President. Stop attacking him for that, you look foolish.
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Um......isn't, he, like, a prime representative of the very thing these protests are about? Money being the major deciding factor in american politics, making money at the expense of others, etc etc etc?
 
haymarket said:
Actually you could not be more wrong. Unions were very happy with the old America of just a couple of generations ago. We were a prosperous nation and the disparity of wealthy was not great.
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Sure. Why wouldn't they be happy? there was the Big Three and if the automakers didn't give them what they wanted they shut them down with strikes. The extra costs were just passed on to the consumers, with the lack of quality in these vehicles, as well as the lack of safety, becoming infamous.


Then Ronald Reagan got elected. Then ALEC came along. Then libertarian right wing think tanks hijacked the conservative movement and then the Republican Party. Then the Kock Bros emerged from under their daddy's rock.
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No, then competition came along. Better made vehicles at better prices. The automakers with their unsafe gas guzzlers at inflated prices just couldn't compete and, as a result of union demands, couldn't adapt either.

Unions know exactly what America they want to see again.
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Sure. The Teachers Unions are doing for the children of Detroit what the UAW did for automobile manufacturing. The Unions are okay with that.

Almost Half of Detroit Residents Are Functionally Illiterate - Education - GOOD
 
VanceMack said:
:lamo Myopic partisan hacks...ALWAYS good for a laugh.
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aren't they tho
your example was hilarious
and extra points to you for simultaneously illustrating irony and hypocrisy. you committed a trifecta

Yes...it is the REPUBLICANS...democrats arent at fault. Democrats dont engage in election hijinx...where ignorance is bliss you have to be happy as a pig in slop...or just dishonest. I suspect the latter...I dont think ANYONE is that stupid.
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obviously, you are our resident expert on both pigs and slop, so i shall defer to you in that regard; ditto for stupidity
honesty ... not so much

You ask how I propose we bring labor and industry together...surely you have seen me post it before...bring them to the table and 'encourage' them to work it out. Costs, profits, acceptable gains, proper incentives, affordable salary, not unlike what is happening with the NBA. Where industry refuses to cooperate, tariff the hell out of any good or product manufactured by an American company overseas and shipped back to the US for sale or manufacture. Where Labor refuses to cooperate and be realistic, shut them down and out of the conversations completely. It would require little government regulation but cooperation at every level.
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yes, i remember your being unable to explain why labor management had to be negotiated on a macro level instead of the conventional procedure under current federal law where labor and management negotiate as provided by the labor-management agreement
as we can see, you have added nothing to support your position. labor and management can continue to meet and negotiate as provided by their labor-management agreements. there is no compelling reason your macro "idea" should be adopted as there is no benefit to be realized from such an approach, which outcome could not result under the existing law/framework. it appears you have a offered us a solution which is in search of a problem

If we are to survive as a country, the industrial base MUST be rebuilt.
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why is this an absolute? not saying it would not be enhancing but why do you deem this essential?

Personally...I dont think it would be that difficult. It would require the parties...BOTH parties...to start playing hardball with industry and labor and stop taking it in the ass for their campaign contributions.
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this makes no sense (which i do recognize is not an unusual circumstance)
both parties -labor and management - can already play hardball. they can also make campaign donations and lobby. they often do
what it appears you propose is a centralized industrial economy, where decisions are made by the government. notice how well that worked out for the communist nations which employed your approach

In other words they would have to start being elected officials and represent the good of the people over the good of their party.
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notice how you again seem not to understand what you are posting about
you have now digressed to elected officials when the topic you had immediately before been discussing was labor and management seeking resolution ... (of what ... you have not identified)

i am tired of spending my time trying to help you keep up. from here on out, you are on your own
 
Labor, Managment....Rich v. Poor....99% v. 1%.....Ah, Bull!!! This is real simple people. These are the recent, and current collage throngs, the Noam Chomsky worshipers, mixed in with the Anarchist black hoodie pukes, and self entitled spoiled 20 somethings that never grew up, along with some ex Weather Underground wanna be's that never got over the fact that they can never win communism in this country.

I knew that there was Tea Party envy among the liberal left, but to see mouth foamers like Matthews, and Maddow jump, along with Union leaders like Trumpka, who is a socialist in his own right, and try and co opt this group of misfits into any coherent message they concoct, and failing at.

Soros funding through Tides, Van Jones, CPUSA, Socialist Agitators, and now Unions all have their big clodhopper hands all over this. So, pay attention people remember my tried and true belief, in that what ever libs accuse you of doing, that in fact is what they are doing. ie, Astro turf.

These oddities from the island of misfit toys should be leveled with fines out the ass for permit violations, EPA sanctions, and those that step out of line with law enforcement should be arrested, tried and imprisoned to the full extent of the law...Fore it is those elements that want to stir violence in this thing, and those with the diversity of messages that do nothing about it that are to blame if violence breaks out.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Labor, Managment....Rich v. Poor....99% v. 1%.....Ah, Bull!!! This is real simple people. These are the recent, and current collage throngs, the Noam Chomsky worshipers, mixed in with the Anarchist black hoodie pukes, and self entitled spoiled 20 somethings that never grew up, along with some ex Weather Underground wanna be's that never got over the fact that they can never win communism in this country.

I knew that there was Tea Party envy among the liberal left, but to see mouth foamers like Matthews, and Maddow jump, along with Union leaders like Trumpka, who is a socialist in his own right, and try and co opt this group of misfits into any coherent message they concoct, and failing at.

Soros funding through Tides, Van Jones, CPUSA, Socialist Agitators, and now Unions all have their big clodhopper hands all over this. So, pay attention people remember my tried and true belief, in that what ever libs accuse you of doing, that in fact is what they are doing. ie, Astro turf.

These oddities from the island of misfit toys should be leveled with fines out the ass for permit violations, EPA sanctions, and those that step out of line with law enforcement should be arrested, tried and imprisoned to the full extent of the law...Fore it is those elements that want to stir violence in this thing, and those with the diversity of messages that do nothing about it that are to blame if violence breaks out.

j-mac
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once i got to that sentence i knew you were confused
 
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