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Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

Please show specifically what I said that is racist. Or apologize.

Telling people to blame it on the black guy




No, that's the Teabagger montra.
Seeing how you are spouting off of lib-tard partisan nonsense, why does it matter what conspiracy theory you spew?
 
In other words, go out of business.

Brilliant, Harry! Glad to see you truly understand the far-reaching consequences of Teabag impotent rage on our southern border.

Yeah I'm sure supermarkets would struggle to pay farmers more for their produce........
 
It would be perfectly valid to argue that businesses will have lower costs if tax law was changed, as I am suggesting immigration law should be. While I might object on practical grounds, I certainly would not object on the grounds that changing tax law would be approving of (previously) illegal activity.

Here we go again. Last chance and then like a few others, you are not worth replying to. I DID NOT say anything about changing the tax law. I said if it's valid to skew market forces with illegal activity, it's just as valid to decide to gain an advantage by deciding that you are no longer going to pay your taxes. I'll discuss things all day with someone willing to discuss things honestly. No so with those who refuse to.

We need not take in everyone in the world, but the current level of illegal immigration is not a problem.

We need to control who gets in.

How is that NOT arguing that employing poor immigrants drives down wages in those industries? I thought that was a pretty straightforward paraphrasing of what you wrote. If I have misconstrued it then please enlighten me. :confused:

Neither of us disagree with hiring immigrants. You can not hire immigrants for $3.00 an hour. This is what this article is about. The government is telling this guy that he has to pay $10.50 an hour. You can only hire illegal immigrants for $3.00 an hour.
 
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Insults,racism and fear mongering in one post.Bravo. Maybe in your next post you can say Bush lied for war, the government had something to do with 9-11 and Obama was born in Kenya.

Post like the one you replied to really aren't worth even acknowledging.
 
Neither of us disagree with hiring immigrants. You can not hire immigrants for $3.00 an hour. This is what this article is about. The government is telling this guy that he has to pay $10.50 an hour. You can only hire illegal immigrants for $3.00 an hour.

Well then that is the heart of our disagreement, not immigration policy. I think he should be able to hire legal immigrants and US citizens for $3 an hour too, if he can find any who are willing to work for that price. If he can't, then that suggests to me that we should legalize many of those illegal immigrants who ARE willing to work for those wages.
 
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Well then that is the heart of our disagreement, not immigration policy. I think he should be able to hire legal immigrants and US citizens for $3 an hour too, if he can find any who are willing to work for that price. If he can't, then that suggests to me that we should legalize many of those illegal immigrants who ARE willing to work for those wages.

Illegals who are legalized will be no different than those who already refuse to work for $3.00 an hour. Or is it your position we only legalize them if they are wiling to work for $3.00 an hour?
 
We need not take in everyone in the world, but the current level of illegal immigration is not a problem.
They are leaving my state. Where do you live? As you think illegal aliens are not a problem perhaps we should post signs, in Spanish, telling the illegals which state to head toward.
 
They are leaving my state. Where do you live? As you think illegal aliens are not a problem perhaps we should post signs, in Spanish, telling the illegals which state to head toward.

There are approximately 10 million illegals in a country of 300 million. Why do you think that is an issue?
 
Illegals who are legalized will be no different than those who already refuse to work for $3.00 an hour. Or is it your position we only legalize them if they are wiling to work for $3.00 an hour?

Legal immigrants and US citizens are, on average, much better educated/skilled than illegal immigrants, so it's simply not true that if you legalize some or all illegal immigrants that they'll be no different. Their newfound immigration status won't change the types of jobs which they are qualified to work. We'll still need people to pick strawberries and wash tables for $3 per hour, and many of the workers will simply continue working the same jobs that they were working anyway. And if some of them are able to get an education/skill and move up the chain to higher-paying jobs, that's great.
 
They are leaving my state. Where do you live? As you think illegal aliens are not a problem perhaps we should post signs, in Spanish, telling the illegals which state to head toward.

I live in DC, and we welcome them with open arms.
 
There are approximately 10 million illegals in a country of 300 million. Why do you think that is an issue?

Those numbers come from a group that supports open borders. Others state is likely closer to 20 million.
 
Legal immigrants and US citizens are, on average, much better educated/skilled than illegal immigrants, so it's simply not true that if you legalize some or all illegal immigrants that they'll be no different. Their newfound immigration status won't change the types of jobs which they are qualified to work. We'll still need people to pick strawberries and wash tables for $3 per hour, and many of the workers will simply continue working the same jobs that they were working anyway. And if some of them are able to get an education/skill and move up the chain to higher-paying jobs, that's great.

Please feel free to back up your accusations that those who come here illegally are less educated than those who we allow in legally. Sure we allow in engineer's but we also allow in those who drive taxi's, work at the local mexican restuarant or fast food joint.

You don't build houses with the no skill uneducated population.
 
There are approximately 10 million illegals in a country of 300 million. Why do you think that is an issue?
In Alabama there are an estimated 75,000 illegal aliens. They take jobs they do not have a right to take. They commit crimes we would not otherwise see. They consume taxpayer funded benefits like education, health care and other things.

So we have made it uncomfortable to be an illegal alien in Alabama. And we have made it uncomfortable to hire illegal aliens in Alabama. Now we need to craft the law so that it is uncomfortable for churches to provide support to illegal aliens. I would like to see tax-exempt status withdrawn for any church that aids any illegal activity, including aiding illegal aliens.
 
Legal immigrants and US citizens are, on average, much better educated/skilled than illegal immigrants, so it's simply not true that if you legalize some or all illegal immigrants that they'll be no different. Their newfound immigration status won't change the types of jobs which they are qualified to work.

The fact someone is legal means that they can work for honest companies.Meaning they do not have to work for substandard wages and dishonest businesses that hire illegals will just find more illegals just like those in 1986 did after the Reagan Amnesty was passed.
 
There are approximately 10 million illegals in a country of 300 million. Why do you think that is an issue?
10-20 million trespassers is a problem for any country regardless of size.
 
The fact someone is legal means that they can work for honest companies.Meaning they do not have to work for substandard wages and dishonest businesses that hire illegals will just find more illegals just like those in 1986 did after the Reagan Amnesty was passed.

What you are overlooking here is that the reason a legal worker commands a premium wage over an equally-skilled illegal worker is BECAUSE the government says that they should. If we just got rid of the minimum wage and stopped bothering illegal immigrants, employers could hire whomever they want (citizen, legal immigrant, or illegal immigrant) at whatever wage the market would bear. The unskilled, uneducated segment of the labor market (regardless of immigration status) that was willing to work for $3 per hour in unpleasant conditions would have no problem finding work. The unskilled, uneducated segment that demanded cushy conditions, total job security, and union wages would probably have a bit more trouble finding work. But the solution is to help them get better educated/trained so that they can get the kind of job that they want, not to erect artificial barriers to trade like immigration restrictions and minimum wage laws.
 
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Are you willing to pay more for your food? $5 per pound for apples instead $.99? $8 for a gallon of milk?

Everything is so simple until your own neck is on the line.

If that is what food costs, then that's what it costs.
I wouldn't have said it, not knowing the full implications.
 
What you are overlooking here is that the reason a legal worker commands a premium wage over an equally-skilled illegal worker is BECAUSE the government says that they should. If we just got rid of the minimum wage and stopped bothering illegal immigrants, employers could hire whomever they want (citizen, legal immigrant, or illegal immigrant) at whatever wage the market would bear. The unskilled, uneducated segment of the labor market (regardless of immigration status) that was willing to work for $3 per hour in unpleasant conditions would have no problem finding work. The unskilled, uneducated segment that demanded cushy conditions, total job security, and union wages would probably have a bit more trouble finding work. But the solution is to help them get better educated/trained so that they can get the kind of job that they want, not to erect artificial barriers to trade like immigration restrictions and minimum wage laws.

Immigration laws are not artificial barriers. Every country in the world employs them for very valid reasons. You have no arguement.
 
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Some of them claim it is an invasion. They intend to reconquer the southwest. Or so some of them say.

Anyone with at least an ounce of common sense would call 10-20 million trespassers into a single country an invasion.
 
Immigration laws are not articicial barriers.

They are an artificial barrier in the sense that they are an example of the government preventing two consenting parties from engaging in a business transaction. Artificial barriers aren't always necessarily a problem, but immigration restrictions are most certainly an artificial barrier to trade, as any economist would tell you. They prevent the free flow of labor, just as protectionism prevents the free flow of capital.

Every country in the world employs them for very valid reasons. You have no arguement.

What would some of those "very valid reasons" be? You keep ranting against illegal activity, but so far you have offered absolutely no reason why it should be illegal in the first place. In fact, when I rephrased (what I thought was) your argument that they drive wages down, you accused me of misrepresenting your view. So if that's not the reason you think it should be illegal, what exactly IS the problem?
 
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They are an artificial barrier in the sense that they are an example of the government preventing two consenting parties from engaging in a business transaction.

Kind of like they did with Capone.

What would some of those "very valid reasons" be? You keep ranting against illegal activity, but so far you have offered absolutely no reason why it should be illegal in the first place. In fact, when I rephrased (what I thought was) your argument that they drive wages down, you accused me of misrepresenting your view. So if that's not the reason you think it should be illegal, what exactly IS the problem?

Any country has the right to decide who gets in and most certainly have a right to turn away those with well established criminal records. They have a right to determine what they right level of increase is. You seem to believe that the problem is people are making more than $3.00 an hour.
 
Kind of like they did with Capone.

Any country has the right to decide who gets in and most certainly have a right to turn away those with well established criminal records. They have a right to determine what they right level of increase is.

And once again you don't provide a single reason why it should be illegal. I didn't ask if the government "had the right to decide who gets in," I asked why we should.

You seem to believe that the problem is people are making more than $3.00 an hour.

Wait, wasn't I was being horribly unfair when I paraphrased you as saying that they drive down wages? Make up your mind.
 
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