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Perry once defended Confederate symbols

apdst said:
Serving in the army is restricted to fighting in a combat arm. Are you saying that modern soldiers, who don't participate in actual combat, aren't serving their country? Cooks, mechanics, clerks, etc.?
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of course modern soldiers do. manservants don't.
 
OscarB63 said:
notice how the argument changes as you disprove it.

1st it was no black ever was in the confederate army. disproved so the argument became, no black ever served in the confederate army. disproved, so now the argument is no black ever fought for the confederate army.

wonder what it will shift to when that one is disproven?
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both you and apdst have been proved wrong. quite easily, i might add. of course, you are 2 peas in a pod, so no one expects you to admit it.
 
liblady said:
i saw that.......and what does it mean? these people were for the most part slaves, as i mentioned earlier. give it up.

Marlboro[ugh] Jones (a.k.a. Marlboro Camp), Slave of
Captain Randal F. Jones
7th Georgia Cavalry

Burrell, Body Servant ofJohn Wallace Comer, CSA 2nd Lieutenant
57th Alabama Infantry
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You're gonna force me to go to town on your hiney with some history, now.

The undersigned free men of color, residing in the city
of Savannah and county of Chatham, fully impressed
with the feeling of duty we owe to the State of Georgia
as inhabitants thereof, which has for so long a period
extended to ourselves and families its protection, and
has been to us the source of many benefits-beg leave,
respectfully, in this hour of danger, to tender to
yourself our services, to be employed in the defense of
the state, at any place or point, at any time, or any
length of time, and in any service for which you may
consider us best fitted, and in which we can contribute
to the public good.

The Forgotten Confederates
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It is estimated that over 65,000 Southern blacks were in the Confederate ranks. Over 13,000 of these, "saw the elephant" also known as meeting the enemy in combat. These Black Confederates included both slave and free.
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"When you eliminate the black Confederate soldier, you've eliminated the history of the South." quoted from General Robert E. Lee, in 1864.
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Don't make me drag out ol' Jim Lewis on your butt. I'll do it, I ain't skeered.
 
liblady said:
both you and apdst have been proved wrong. quite easily, i might add. of course, you are 2 peas in a pod, so no one expects you to admit it.
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where? all you have done is disprove your own, evershifting, argument.
 
apdst said:
You're gonna force me to go to town on your hiney with some history, now.







Don't make me drag out ol' Jim Lewis on your butt. I'll do it, I ain't skeered.
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but...but...but...WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
liblady said:
both you and apdst have been proved wrong. quite easily, i might add. of course, you are 2 peas in a pod, so no one expects you to admit it.
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All you did was make yourself, along with the rest of the revisionists, look foolish.
 
j-mac said:
You didn't even view the pics did you?

j-mac
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all of them....just like i viewed each photgraph he posted and found only one person that was not identified as a slave, although there is nothing to say he wasn't either.

here's the deal.......nearly all blacks who serve in the confederate army were slaves or servants of some kind. i'm not revis9ing anything. there may have been a few who actully fought with white men, but the number is miniscule. much ado about absolutely nothing. the original topic of this post was that blacks owned slaves, and while a very few did, they did so for benevolent reasons. oscar and apdst both have their heads so far up their asses on this topic that they could chew their food twice.
 
Jerry said:
Pointing out that I'm at Camp McGregor scoring Expert in every weapon system so far and don't always have all day to provide full-service definitions and links to every retard to stupid to use google on their own.
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your "to [sic] stupid" comment made me think of this post:
Jerry said:
Yes you do.

The law covers it with 'irreconcilable differences', which is a sort of legal junk-box for legal conflicts the State must protect and yet can't touch either.

If you and your dearly beloved are married while atheist, and later one converts to Islam, this is grounds for divorce. One the one hand you are entitled to legally sue for divorce, but on the other hand the state can't charge someone for holding a given religious preference, as that would be prejudice and discriminatory.

So the state tosses it into the 'irreconcilable differences' box, divides assets as normal, and issues the decree for the divorce which was started due to religious conflict.

So yes, the vows do set the terms for the marriage even when the State has to deal with those terms through 'irreconcilable differences'.
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you assert that a law has been broken when a couple take vows and then change, resulting in divorce due to irreconcilable differences
too stupid


but prove me wrong and point us to the law you insist was broken with the vows
google it for us ...
 
liblady said:
perhaps someone else could teach you:

The South did not use this Confederate Native Guard regiment in any military action, and failed to provide it with uniforms or arms. Most of the men in the unit used their own resources to obtain weapons and uniforms which were displayed in a parade in New Orleans on January 8, 1862.[3] It was largely considered part of the Confederacy's "public relations" campaign. The Native Guard tried to gain notoriety by offering their service to escort Union prisoners, captured from Manassas, through New Orleans. Despite the Confederacy choosing white militiamen instead, the Native Guard still participated in two other grand reviews. When the Louisiana State Legislature passed a law in January 1862 that reorganized the militia by conscripting “all the free white males capable of bearing arms… irrespective of nationality”, the 1st Louisiana Native Guard was also affected. It was forced to disband on February 15, 1862, and many of its white officers reassigned to the new Confederate regiments.

1st Louisiana Native Guard (CSA) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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So they "paraded"??

And the wingnuts thinks this means they fought for the South? :cuckoo:
 
apdst said:
When you learn that that's totally false, you won't be so torn on the issue.
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So what is the "real reason" the South seceded?

Interestingly, the mountainous areas of the South largely voted against secession in the conventions. Coincidentally, these were areas where slave-holding was uncommon, as it was unprofitable. That's how we got the state of West Virginia. The drive of 'Manifest Destiny" was in part based on expanding slavery.

It's all intertwined, and at the end of the day, all of the arguments for why the South seceded go back to slavery. "States Rights" -- a State's right to have slavery. "Different economies and societies" -- one of which was based on slave labor...

These are all based on the South trying to deflect guilt over the existence of slavery, and started with the memoirs of Jefferson Davis. Now I don't blame them for seceding to protect their vital interests in an economy based on slavery, and I don't want to continue to hold down the South with this yoke. But saying that slavery was not the underpinning of secession is "revisionist."
 
liblady said:
the original topic of this post was that blacks owned slaves, and while a very few did, they did so for benevolent reasons. oscar and apdst both have their heads so far up their asses on this topic that they could chew their food twice.
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Actually that's not actually true. The below paper is heavily documented....

Black Slave Owners said:
DIXIE'S CENSORED SUBJECT
BLACK SLAVEOWNERS
By Robert M. Grooms
© 1997
(THIS ARTICLE IS COPYRIGHTED AND IS PROVIDED HERE COURTESY OF THE
BARNES REVIEW)

In an 1856 letter to his wife Mary Custis Lee, Robert E. Lee
called slavery "a moral and political evil." Yet he concluded that black slaves were immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally,
socially and physically.
The fact is large numbers of free Negroes owned black slaves; in
fact, in numbers disproportionate to their representation in society at
large. In 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves. According
to the U.S. census report for that last year before the Civil War,
there were nearly 27 million whites in the country. Some eight million of them lived in the slaveholding states.
The census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000
individuals who owned slaves (1). Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8
percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).
In the rare instances when the ownership of slaves by free
Negroes is acknowledged in the history books, justification centers on the claim that black slave masters were simply individuals who purchased the
freedom of a spouse or child from a white slaveholder and had been
unable to legally manumit them. Although this did indeed happen at times, it is a misrepresentation of the majority of instances, one which is
debunked by records of the period on blacks who owned slaves. These
include individuals such as Justus Angel and Mistress L. Horry, of Colleton District, South Carolina, who each owned 84 slaves in 1830. In fact, in 1830 a fourth of the free Negro slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves; eight owning 30 or more (2).
According to federal census reports, on June 1, 1860 there were
nearly 4.5 million Negroes in the United States, with fewer than four
million of them living in the southern slaveholding states. Of the blacks residing in the South, 261,988 were not slaves. Of this number, 10,689 lived in New Orleans. The country's leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.
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Black Slave Owners

There's more...

BLACK Slave Owners « ELLIOT LAKE News & Views




It's not very well known and frankly, before today I didn't realize it either - but there it is.
 
sangha said:
You didn't refute anything liblady claimed, or pointed out anything that isn't already well-known
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If you read the links posted, the Black Slave Owners identified did not do so for benevolent means only. Which is what I'm refuting and have done so.
 
OK lets evaluate and compare this tiny tiny stipilation....

Rick Perry once defended the Confederate Symbols.?
Barrak Hussain Obama in just three years, has sent how many Trillions of our dollars to Muslim nations.?

AWESOME.....Damn that Perry!!
 
Ockham said:
If you read the links posted, the Black Slave Owners identified did not do so for benevolent means only. Which is what I'm refuting and have done so.
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honesty, so simple a concept...yet so few actually ever practice it.
 
Here it is. Anthony Johnson, himself a former slave, became the first slave owner in the colonies when he owned one John Casor.

The first slaver was a black man. Interesting bit of history, isn't it?
 
dixiesolutions said:
OK lets evaluate and compare this tiny tiny stipilation....

Rick Perry once defended the Confederate Symbols.?
Barrak Hussain Obama in just three years, has sent how many Trillions of our dollars to Muslim nations.?

AWESOME.....Damn that Perry!!
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answer your question
how many trillions of dollars did Obama send to islamic nations since he has been president?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Here it is. Anthony Johnson, himself a former slave, became the first slave owner in the colonies when he owned one John Casor.

The first slaver was a black man. Interesting bit of history, isn't it?
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It's surprising actually --- and calls into question what I was taught in school. I know for a fact I wasn't taught that the first black slave owners was himself black. I knew that slavers on ships who were gathering slaves were themselves africans and gathered them to be sold. I thought very much like liblady did - that if there were black slave owners, 99% of them were that in title only as after they were freed, they would purchase their family members and free them as well. But what I'm reading today was NOT in my grade school or High School history books - or College for that matter.
 
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