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In Italy a prosecutor can appeal an acquittal? WTF?

Luna Tick said:
I have plenty of complaints about the American justice system, but I'm glad we don't allow prosecutors to appeal acquittals.

Prosecutor to appeal Amanda Knox's acquittal - World news - Europe - msnbc.com
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Italy is not the only country where prosecutors can appeal not guilty prosecutions. Prosecutorial misconduct has already cost the Knox family a fortune. Fortunately, she is now out of the country and if she is smart, she will never return to any EU country where they might extradite her to a country which has already aquited her because there is no protection against double jeopardy. Unfortunately, I also live in a country that allows prosecutorial appeals...
 
I've got only two thoughts on this case....

1. If she wasn't a fairly attractive woman nobody would have ever heard of this case.

2. Just another proof of why no SANE American even considers leaving the United States for any reason other than military service.
 
Amanda Knox should never again enter a country that may extradite her to Italy. The fact that prosecutors can appeal not guilty decisions scares me a bit as it gives the impression that if the government can't nail you for a crime, they will just try and try again. Citizens should be protected against such things and if the state cannot prove it's case, that is it.

The American system may not be perfect, but I cannot find a system abroad I would rather live under.
 
Tigger said:
I've got only two thoughts on this case....

1. If she wasn't a fairly attractive woman nobody would have ever heard of this case.
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You're probably right. Sex sells. In this case it sold a news story.

Tigger said:
2. Just another proof of why no SANE American even considers leaving the United States for any reason other than military service.
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That's an extreme position. You'll miss out on seeing some amazing things in other countries then. Next summer I'm going up to Lake Winnipeg. I look forward to enjoying its unique beauty and doing fun things there. I'm confident the Canadians aren't going to arrest me and falsely convict me of a crime. Last winter I went on a cruise in the Caribbean. It was well worth it and I plan to do it again. Jamaica was beautiful and the snorkeling was fun. I will admit there were some scary things about Cozumel, Mexico. I saw the Mexican military on the streets armed with assault rifles. I have no plans to hitchhike through Mexico wearing short shorts and a halter top.

You don't have to ever leave the country if you don't want to. It's up to you. However, it is possible to safely travel abroad and have a great time if you want to. You just need to know what you're doing. There's a big beautiful country to our immediate north that's generally friendly to Americans. Maybe give it a try.
 
I didnt pay close attention to this until yesterday to be honest....the prosector in this case made it his personal vendetta against amanda knox
he had nothing...he just vilified her...is she guilty I dont know...neither does anyone else.

I heard the prosecutor was considering re trying her...hopefully someone above him will stop it
 
Luna Tick said:
You're probably right. Sex sells. In this case it sold a news story.
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Yes it did. Again, if this had been some 35 year old, ugly guy/gal none of us would have ever heard of it.

Luna Tick said:
That's an extreme position. You'll miss out on seeing some amazing things in other countries then. Next summer I'm going up to Lake Winnipeg. I look forward to enjoying its unique beauty and doing fun things there. I'm confident the Canadians aren't going to arrest me and falsely convict me of a crime. Last winter I went on a cruise in the Caribbean. It was well worth it and I plan to do it again. Jamaica was beautiful and the snorkeling was fun. I will admit there were some scary things about Cozumel, Mexico. I saw the Mexican military on the streets armed with assault rifles. I have no plans to hitchhike through Mexico wearing short shorts and a halter top.
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Yes it is an extreme position. I'm a medieval history afficianado, yet I will never get to experience any of it because it's all in Europe, and I will not give a single penny of my money to those socialist societies. Nevermind the fact that none of them accept my right to defend myself while I am in their country. My philosophy/ideology is more important to me than any museum, historical place, or anything else outside the borders of the United States.

More importantly, I find it terribly disturbing that most Americans are too stupid to understand that the American Justice System does not extend beyond the borders of the United States. I have a couple friends who enjoy wayching "Locked Up Abroad" and constantly telling me how terrible it is that these things happen to people. My response is.... "What, did they think their Miranda Rights should be read to them in Bejing?" This is especially true for people who want to hike along the borders of places like North Korea and Iran.

Luna Tick said:
You don't have to ever leave the country if you don't want to. It's up to you. However, it is possible to safely travel abroad and have a great time if you want to. You just need to know what you're doing. There's a big beautiful country to our immediate north that's generally friendly to Americans. Maybe give it a try.
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Trust me, I don't plan to. Whether it's safe or not is only part of the equation. I have no interest in pouring my money into the socialist societies of Europe, Canada, Mexico, etc... Oh, and that big country to our North doesn't accept my Right to Keep and Bear Arms either, so I'm not headed in that direction any time soon either.
 
I'm sure they will all be heaving a collective (see what I did then?) sigh of relief.
 
People think Amanda Knox is attractive?

Guess I roll in different circles. She doesn't do much for me.
 
Luna Tick said:
I have plenty of complaints about the American justice system, but I'm glad we don't allow prosecutors to appeal acquittals.

Prosecutor to appeal Amanda Knox's acquittal - World news - Europe - msnbc.com
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She was not acquitted.

She was accused of several things including slander. On the slander charge she was found guilty and sentenced to 3 years. She already had been in jail for 4. On the murder charges the court did not find the physical evidence to mandate a guilty verdict and hence overturned the original judgement. Then she was released. It is fully with in the right of the system to appeal said ruling to the highest court in Italy and that is what they have done. But because she severed the time she was convicted on then, she is a free woman till the appeal on the murder charges and evidence has been heard by the Italian supreme court.

Now of course the Italians have to go through extradition to get her back, but that wont stop them from appealing the ruling. Remember they still have the guy.. and he aint going anywhere.

Considering the evidence (tainted and non-tainted) the fact remains that only 4 people were in that apartment... one is dead, one is in prison and two are free.. for now. I personally still thinks she is not tell the truth at all on what happened that night.
 
Tigger said:
Trust me, I don't plan to. Whether it's safe or not is only part of the equation. I have no interest in pouring my money into the socialist societies of Europe, Canada, Mexico, etc... Oh, and that big country to our North doesn't accept my Right to Keep and Bear Arms either, so I'm not headed in that direction any time soon either.
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Then come to Taiwan sometime. Beautiful country with friendly, generally pro-American, people and even less socialistic than the United States.
 
PeteEU said:
She was not acquitted.
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Source for that? Everything I am reading about it indicates that she was, in fact, acquitted of the murder charge.
She was accused of several things including slander. On the slander charge she was found guilty and sentenced to 3 years. She already had been in jail for 4. On the murder charges the court did not find the physical evidence to mandate a guilty verdict and hence overturned the original judgement. Then she was released. It is fully with in the right of the system to appeal said ruling to the highest court in Italy and that is what they have done. But because she severed the time she was convicted on then, she is a free woman till the appeal on the murder charges and evidence has been heard by the Italian supreme court.
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Right, she served more time than she has been sentenced to and is a free woman. She has been acquited, and in a civilized system it would be all over.

Now of course the Italians have to go through extradition to get her back, but that wont stop them from appealing the ruling. Remember they still have the guy.. and he aint going anywhere.
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And the U.S. will not extradict her as she has been acquited and will not acquiesce to the notion of double jeopardy...

Considering the evidence (tainted and non-tainted) the fact remains that only 4 people were in that apartment... one is dead, one is in prison and two are free.. for now. I personally still thinks she is not tell the truth at all on what happened that night.
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Doesn't matter what you think about her relationship with the truth. What matters is the evidence, and it just wasn't there.
 
ludahai said:
And the U.S. will not extradite her as she has been acquitted and will not acquiesce to the notion of double jeopardy...
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Hopefully that is true.We may have some globalist scum in office who won't care seeing how many of them already **** on the constitution.
 
ludahai said:
Then come to Taiwan sometime. Beautiful country with friendly, generally pro-American, people and even less socialistic than the United States.
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That's one of the few places that I might seriously consider visiting someday.
 
ludahai said:
Italy is not the only country where prosecutors can appeal not guilty prosecutions. Prosecutorial misconduct has already cost the Knox family a fortune. Fortunately, she is now out of the country and if she is smart, she will never return to any EU country where they might extradite her to a country which has already aquited her because there is no protection against double jeopardy. Unfortunately, I also live in a country that allows prosecutorial appeals...
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she ought to hire someone to make that prosecutor "go away"

He's a scumbag and is under indictment himself for abusing police officers.
 
PeteEU said:
She was not acquitted.

She was accused of several things including slander. On the slander charge she was found guilty and sentenced to 3 years. She already had been in jail for 4. On the murder charges the court did not find the physical evidence to mandate a guilty verdict and hence overturned the original judgement. Then she was released. It is fully with in the right of the system to appeal said ruling to the highest court in Italy and that is what they have done. But because she severed the time she was convicted on then, she is a free woman till the appeal on the murder charges and evidence has been heard by the Italian supreme court.

Now of course the Italians have to go through extradition to get her back, but that wont stop them from appealing the ruling. Remember they still have the guy.. and he aint going anywhere.

Considering the evidence (tainted and non-tainted) the fact remains that only 4 people were in that apartment... one is dead, one is in prison and two are free.. for now. I personally still thinks she is not tell the truth at all on what happened that night.
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In the USA we would put the police in prison for the way they interrogated her
 
TurtleDude said:
In the USA we would put the police in prison for the way they interrogated her
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Her lawyer described with clarity how the police entered the crime scene...the broke a window in the bedroom and all piled in the room with the body trampling every damn thing...and that was just the start of it..
 
Tigger said:
Yes it is an extreme position. I'm a medieval history afficianado, yet I will never get to experience any of it because it's all in Europe, and I will not give a single penny of my money to those socialist societies. Nevermind the fact that none of them accept my right to defend myself while I am in their country. My philosophy/ideology is more important to me than any museum, historical place, or anything else outside the borders of the United States.
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You'll never see the beautiful castles of Germany, Switzerland, and France then. That's a shame. Those are all amazing countries. You don't have to agree with all of their politics to enjoy them. I'm fine with people visiting the US regardless if they agree with all our policies. Foreigners often come here and find out that Americans aren't the evil imperialist ignorant bigots that stereotypes have lead them to believe we are. Visiting another country is usually a positive experience. I've never regretted going to any of the places I've visited.

Tigger said:
More importantly, I find it terribly disturbing that most Americans are too stupid to understand that the American Justice System does not extend beyond the borders of the United States. I have a couple friends who enjoy wayching "Locked Up Abroad" and constantly telling me how terrible it is that these things happen to people. My response is.... "What, did they think their Miranda Rights should be read to them in Bejing?" This is especially true for people who want to hike along the borders of places like North Korea and Iran.
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I agree that no one should travel to any country in ignorance. You've got to know where you're going to protect yourself. There are countries I would not consider going to. North Korea and Iran are among them. It's not that I think everyone from those countries is evil. I just think it would be difficult to travel in safety without knowing anyone there and without speaking the language.

Tigger said:
Trust me, I don't plan to. Whether it's safe or not is only part of the equation. I have no interest in pouring my money into the socialist societies of Europe, Canada, Mexico, etc... Oh, and that big country to our North doesn't accept my Right to Keep and Bear Arms either, so I'm not headed in that direction any time soon either.
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Actually, they have the right to bear arms in Canada. In fact, the country has a very large gun ownership. I don't think they have the same concealed weapons permits that some states in the US have, but Canadians do have the right to bear arms.

Canada's also our biggest trading partner one one of our best allies in the world. I'm grateful that they're our northern neighbor and not some country like North Korea. They have a market economy much like our own. In fact, our economies are interdependent. I guess you think their health care system is socialist like that of England, but it's not. It's not owned by the government. Almost all medical practices are privately owned. The government only handles the health insurance part of it. You don't have to agree with that approach, but it would be a shame to never see that country just because you don't. I plan to have a great time at Lake Winnipeg. Maybe I'll come in here and post photos. Again, you don't have to visit there if you don't want to. However, maybe consider another viewpoint -- that it might be worth going to see. You could have a great time and it won't turn you into a socialist. I promise.
 
Luna Tick said:
You're probably right. Sex sells. In this case it sold a news story.



That's an extreme position. You'll miss out on seeing some amazing things in other countries then. Next summer I'm going up to Lake Winnipeg. I look forward to enjoying its unique beauty and doing fun things there. I'm confident the Canadians aren't going to arrest me and falsely convict me of a crime. Last winter I went on a cruise in the Caribbean. It was well worth it and I plan to do it again. Jamaica was beautiful and the snorkeling was fun. I will admit there were some scary things about Cozumel, Mexico. I saw the Mexican military on the streets armed with assault rifles. I have no plans to hitchhike through Mexico wearing short shorts and a halter top.

You don't have to ever leave the country if you don't want to. It's up to you. However, it is possible to safely travel abroad and have a great time if you want to. You just need to know what you're doing. There's a big beautiful country to our immediate north that's generally friendly to Americans. Maybe give it a try.
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I feel better when I see the Mexican military on the streets. At least they will be there to shoot back if something erupts. Every one of them I have talked to have been very polite too.
 
Luna Tick said:
You'll never see the beautiful castles of Germany, Switzerland, and France then. That's a shame. Those are all amazing countries. You don't have to agree with all of their politics to enjoy them. I'm fine with people visiting the US regardless if they agree with all our policies. Foreigners often come here and find out that Americans aren't the evil imperialist ignorant bigots that stereotypes have lead them to believe we are. Visiting another country is usually a positive experience. I've never regretted going to any of the places I've visited.
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I'll see them in photos and video. I'll have the opportunity to review the floor plans and architectural diagrams in books. I'm sorry, but I cannot enjoy visiting a place whose politics are that contrary to mine. Hell, I have a hard time visiting Boston or NYC for the same reason.

I'm nowhere near as fine with those foreigners visiting the United States. I never have been. Maybe because I AM one of those evil, imperialist bigots that their stereotypes are based on. Probably part of why I have no interest in going over there either.

Luna Tick said:
I agree that no one should travel to any country in ignorance. You've got to know where you're going to protect yourself. There are countries I would not consider going to. North Korea and Iran are among them. It's not that I think everyone from those countries is evil. I just think it would be difficult to travel in safety without knowing anyone there and without speaking the language.
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Well, a great deal of Europeans travel here in ignorance. Just ask any member of a waitstaff that has enjoyed the "pleasure" of dealing with them at their table only to be totally stiffed on a tip.

My comment about NK and Iran has more to do with the fact that we keep having Americans captured by these nations and the US Government gets pressured to "save" them. They made their bed, let them lay in it.

Luna Tick said:
Actually, they have the right to bear arms in Canada. In fact, the country has a very large gun ownership. I don't think they have the same concealed weapons permits that some states in the US have, but Canadians do have the right to bear arms.
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No. They have the right to OWN certain types of firearms (not including handguns) and to use them for a very limited range of purposes. They have no right to carry concealed weapons as residents of all but two US states do (WI and IL). Nor do they have an intrinsic right to self-defense (neither do most Europeans).

Luna Tick said:
Canada's also our biggest trading partner one one of our best allies in the world. I'm grateful that they're our northern neighbor and not some country like North Korea. They have a market economy much like our own. In fact, our economies are interdependent. I guess you think their health care system is socialist like that of England, but it's not. It's not owned by the government. Almost all medical practices are privately owned. The government only handles the health insurance part of it. You don't have to agree with that approach, but it would be a shame to never see that country just because you don't. I plan to have a great time at Lake Winnipeg. Maybe I'll come in here and post photos. Again, you don't have to visit there if you don't want to. However, maybe consider another viewpoint -- that it might be worth going to see. You could have a great time and it won't turn you into a socialist. I promise.
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I don't believe we have any allies outside of our borders (and far fewer inside than we should). I'm also an Isolationist. The government has no reason to be involved in health care at all, at any level. Not here, not in Canada or in Europe. Again, I go out of my way to avoid supporting areas whose ideology/philosophy does not mesh with my own. I know Canada is a gorgeous country, as are many other places. I was there twice in my youth for short periods of time. I just have no desire to ever go back.
 
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