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More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

Grant said:
Once more and then three strikes and you're out.
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You can't actually point to where I was wrong. I said "That wasn't a protest by the Tea Party. It was a protest by "Young Americans for Liberty". It says so right in your quote" and I was right.



Can you see that on January 4, 2009, Trevor Leach organized what he called a "Tea Party" then, three weeks later, a commentator used the term and shortly thereafter, following all the cheers, the Party began to grow more rapidly?
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The group wasn't a Tea Party. They merely called a protest a "tea party". It wasn't the first time someone has done that.

You should understand that getting credit for starting something is not the same as starting something.
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YOu should understand that calling a protest is not the same as starting a movement.


This from your own, apparently unread, link.
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Apparently, you think "Porkulus Protest" means "Tea Party" and you apparently did not read the last sentence


Tea Party organizers claim that the first nationwide Tea Party protest took place on February 27, 2009, with coordinated events occurring in more than 40 cities.
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Doesn't that sound "Grass roots" to you?

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No, it doesn't. Those protests were promoted by the media and were funded with money from Dick Armeys (republican) PAC

Then you should be easy for you to supply the evidence and point out why this is a problem for you.
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The evidence has already been posted. Several times
 
sangha said:
So you think the media has done enough to cover the bank bailouts and the financial scandals?
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Are you reading the posts at all or am I responding to a monkey with a keyboard?

This has nothing whatsoever to do with th post you quoted. Nothing.
 
This is what i find disturbing. These peaceful protesters came to protest a crime, yes a crime that was committed by the banks and wall-street, and they the protesters are portrayed as the criminals are ****ing kidding me? I mean people this is what democracy looks like!
 
Ockham said:
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So to you wearing a gun (legally) is considered "violence"?
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Not at all, however, to me this is threatening violence:

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Catawba said:
Not at all, however, to me this is threatening violence:

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I don't pretend these two examples represent all conservatives, not even all tea party members, but I have met two who carry a gun like this and speak about being their consitutional right to shoot representatives who don't do what THEY want. The thought process bothers me.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
This is what i find disturbing. These peaceful protesters came to protest a crime, yes a crime that was committed by the banks and wall-street, and they the protesters are portrayed as the criminals are ****ing kidding me? I mean people this is what democracy looks like!
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no, this is what mob-rule looks like.
 
Boo Radley said:
I don't pretend these two examples represent all conservatives, not even all tea party members, but I have met two who carry a gun like this and speak about being their consitutional right to shoot representatives who don't do what THEY want. The thought process bothers me.
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The thought process should bother you it is scary. That being said it seems that by pointing to extremes you tarnish the entire group. In the 60s, there a group called the SDS. An anti-war leftist group that actually did physical harm to people. Back then I didn't think it was fair to brand all anti-war folks, myself included with a fringe group. Is was used then by conservatives to smear the entire anti-war movement. Seems like a mirror image of what the left is now doing.
 
Boo Radley said:
I don't pretend these two examples represent all conservatives, not even all tea party members, but I have met two who carry a gun like this and speak about being their consitutional right to shoot representatives who don't do what THEY want. The thought process bothers me.
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I never claimed the example represents all conservatives, just that the example is more threatening of violence than any example from the Wall Street protest.
 
Catawba said:
I never claimed the example represents all conservatives, just that the example is more threatening of violence than any example from the Wall Street protest.
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I know. I was largely agreeing with you while noting I did not have a large enough sample.
 
sangha said:
Proof that the teabaggers did not begin as a "grass roots" movement. It was instigated by a major media network, promoted by a major media network and funded by republican PACs
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BS. How would you have any idea how the Tea Party Movement is funded? My wife and I have had three Tea Party meetings in our house.....we sponsored those dinners/meeting. My family, along with dozens of friends, went to DC on both 9-12 Tea Party rallies and nobody paid us anything to do that. We, along with a few more million people, contribute money to run the Tea Party organizations.

Since you made the claim, prove it. Show us how much money has been spent by the Tea Party movement and show us how much was funded by PAC's. You do have this information, don't you?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
These peaceful protesters came to protest a crime, yes a crime that was committed by the banks and wall-street,...
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A couple of things interest me with this statement. Specifically, what crime was committed and who specifically committed the crime? Secondly, when was the crime committed?

It seems to me that this protest is not very timely because, if a crime was committed, it was several years ago.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Soo protesting is "mob rule"?
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It's clear that as soon as they block bridges and plug up streets they are doing more than "protesting". They became a mob.

They are also unwittingly (of course) contributing to a huge Republican victory in the next elections.
 
washunut said:
The thought process should bother you it is scary. That being said it seems that by pointing to extremes you tarnish the entire group. In the 60s, there a group called the SDS. An anti-war leftist group that actually did physical harm to people. Back then I didn't think it was fair to brand all anti-war folks, myself included with a fringe group. Is was used then by conservatives to smear the entire anti-war movement. Seems like a mirror image of what the left is now doing.
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However, one could say that the Weathmen Underground, the splinter from SDS that actually committed the violence, are partly responsible for the US to call it quits in Vietnam. They "brought the war home", so to speak. Forcing americans to lose their stomach for it, once it was in rural USA. Not condoning, mind...just pointing out it's over all effectiveness.
 
sangha said:
Because "professional protestor" is a misleading term meant to smear
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What's the pay scale on professional protesting? I'm outa work at the moment, and I'm looking for a new job, but I can't really take anything that pays less than 45,000 a year. I don't mind working weird hours, travel, I don't even mind the occasional tear gas, but I think I should get an extra bonus for that, as kind of an incentive.
 
washunut said:
The thought process should bother you it is scary. That being said it seems that by pointing to extremes you tarnish the entire group. In the 60s, there a group called the SDS. An anti-war leftist group that actually did physical harm to people. Back then I didn't think it was fair to brand all anti-war folks, myself included with a fringe group. Is was used then by conservatives to smear the entire anti-war movement. Seems like a mirror image of what the left is now doing.
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I actually agree with you. We should not use that to tar an entire group. But I would that someone standing outside with a gun straped to his side and carrying that sign might be one we can paint.
 
Catawba said:
Not at all, however, to me this is threatening violence:

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It IS threatening violence, and it has RIGHT do imply such, as is inherent within the 2nd amendment. The 2nd wasn't tossed in there to help us defend ourselves from car burglars. It's there in order for the PEOPLE to retain the right to deny their government a monopoly on force. This image should serve as a reminder of that. It is no less a threat of violence than the riot police I am sure this man was faced off with, who are packing SP12 shotguns that can blow a whole through a brick wall in one shot. I can't speak as to the man's political views, or if he would consider using violence in order to "get his way", but imagine the staggering and motivational effect for true change an entire country of men like him would have on our current, lazy, money grubbing, social elite political class we have in offices all across the country right now.
 
KevinKohler said:
It IS threatening violence, and it has RIGHT do imply such, as is inherent within the 2nd amendment. The 2nd wasn't tossed in there to help us defend ourselves from car burglars. It's there in order for the PEOPLE to retain the right to deny their government a monopoly on force. This image should serve as a reminder of that. It is no less a threat of violence than the riot police I am sure this man was faced off with, who are packing SP12 shotguns that can blow a whole through a brick wall in one shot. I can't speak as to the man's political views, or if he would consider using violence in order to "get his way", but imagine the staggering and motivational effect for true change an entire country of men like him would have on our current, lazy, money grubbing, social elite political class we have in offices all across the country right now.
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I agree with the part I bolded. The rest I disagree with.
 
So you think the 2nd amendment is there for citizens to defend themselves against things like Native American raids, petty thieves, and trespassers? Not trying to start an argument, just wondering about your opinion on the purpose behind the second amendment.
 
KevinKohler said:
So you think the 2nd amendment is there for citizens to defend themselves against things like Native American raids, petty thieves, and trespassers? Not trying to start an argument, just wondering about your opinion on the purpose behind the second amendment.
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There is certainly a line, and threats come pretty close to the line. And he certainly crosses it ifhe acts on his words. Not unreasonable to be concerned.
 
KevinKohler said:
It IS threatening violence, and it has RIGHT do imply such, as is inherent within the 2nd amendment. The 2nd wasn't tossed in there to help us defend ourselves from car burglars. It's there in order for the PEOPLE to retain the right to deny their government a monopoly on force. This image should serve as a reminder of that. It is no less a threat of violence than the riot police I am sure this man was faced off with, who are packing SP12 shotguns that can blow a whole through a brick wall in one shot. I can't speak as to the man's political views, or if he would consider using violence in order to "get his way", but imagine the staggering and motivational effect for true change an entire country of men like him would have on our current, lazy, money grubbing, social elite political class we have in offices all across the country right now.
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I'm going to guess the pictured man isn't part of a "well-regulated militia."
 
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