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Drug testing surprise

Who said anything about humiliating people that are down on their luck? The last thing people who are down on their luck need is a drug habit. It is pretty obvious that drug testing people to make sure they are eligible to receive public money as their source of income and humiliating people that are down on their luck are 2 different things. 1 is reality and one is a silly excuse.

And again, as we've seen, few of these people have drugs in their systems. But they're all forced to piss in a cup for no reason. Perhaps we should make them hop on one foot and recite nursery rhymes instead. Would be cheaper and just as effective.
 
Ok, so are you also calling for random tests for alcohol use? Tobacco? Pepsi? Twinkies? Why single out illicit drugs when there are thousands of other things these people shouldn't be buying with your taxpayer dollars?

They can regulate the purchases of legal products through restrictions on EBT cards if it ever came to that. Illicit drugs should be singled out because they are illegal, can't be regulated otherwise, and they will generally not aid in motivating people to work harder to better their situations so they can be off of public funding and on their own. Our tax money is not intended to fund crime.
 
And again, as we've seen, few of these people have drugs in their systems. But they're all forced to piss in a cup for no reason. Perhaps we should make them hop on one foot and recite nursery rhymes instead. Would be cheaper and just as effective.

No they are not forced to piss in a cup for "no reason". They are forced to prove that they are not using drugs as a requirement to live off of public money. When you look at it through your completely false and distorted view of things, it does sound stupid, but when you apply it to the actual reality of the situation it makes sense.

Now that we have covered the reasoning behind drug testing welfare recipients for the 300th time, feel free to explain how you feel jumping around and acting like a fool is going to solve anything.
 
No they are not forced to piss in a cup for "no reason". They are forced to prove that they are not using drugs as a requirement to live off of public money. When you look at it through your completely false and distorted view of things, it does sound stupid, but when you apply it to the actual reality of the situation it makes sense.

Now that we have covered the reasoning behind drug testing welfare recipients for the 300th time, feel free to explain how you feel jumping around and acting like a fool is going to solve anything.

The point is that, like piss testing, it isn't going to solve anything ... but at least it doesn't cost a dime and it would have the salutary effect of making conservatives feel better, as they seem to enjoy denigrating and humiliating the less fortunate.
 
They can regulate the purchases of legal products through restrictions on EBT cards if it ever came to that.
As well as illicit/illegal products for that matter, since they wouldn't be getting any cash (from the state anyway). Are EBT cards cheaper than drug tests?

Illicit drugs should be singled out because they are illegal,
Should parking/speeding tickets be singled out as well then?

can't be regulated otherwise
Can't be regulated in any event, I would say. But it seems to me that EBT cards would at least ensure that taxpayer money isn't being spent on drugs. Isn't that your main concern? What problem do they not solve?
 
I find it amazing anyone disagrees with this..

Drug tests are to catch people using, ILLEGAL drugs. You know, the kinds that are against the law to use, by using them you break the law. you can google it if you don't understand.

And this, now this may shock you, this will NOT affect people not using drugs. It is weird, but hey it's true. Furthermore, all this will do is SAVE you money. Because people will get caught, and denied benefits. What is not to like about this? Are you that are crying about it being a bad thing, on welfare and using drugs? Then i can see why you complain.

Plus it will create jobs. And create taxpayers. More drug tests=more companies having to do them. Failed test means no more benefits, and now it's time to get a job.
 
I find it amazing anyone disagrees with this..

Drug tests are to catch people using, ILLEGAL drugs. You know, the kinds that are against the law to use, by using them you break the law. you can google it if you don't understand.

And this, now this may shock you, this will NOT affect people not using drugs. It is weird, but hey it's true. Furthermore, all this will do is SAVE you money. Because people will get caught, and denied benefits. What is not to like about this? Are you that are crying about it being a bad thing, on welfare and using drugs? Then i can see why you complain.

Plus it will create jobs. And create taxpayers. More drug tests=more companies having to do them. Failed test means no more benefits, and now it's time to get a job.

Hey, in that case perhaps EVERYONE should have to take a piss test on a regular basis! Lord knows your having to go downtown and piss in a cup with someone watching won't affect you, nor will the cost of those millions of useless tests have any affect, I'm sure.

btw, do y'all realize that this testing program is just to qualify? Once an applicant passes there is no more testing.
 
I find it amazing anyone disagrees with this..

Drug tests are to catch people using, ILLEGAL drugs. You know, the kinds that are against the law to use, by using them you break the law. you can google it if you don't understand.

And this, now this may shock you, this will NOT affect people not using drugs. It is weird, but hey it's true. Furthermore, all this will do is SAVE you money. Because people will get caught, and denied benefits. What is not to like about this? Are you that are crying about it being a bad thing, on welfare and using drugs? Then i can see why you complain.

Plus it will create jobs. And create taxpayers. More drug tests=more companies having to do them. Failed test means no more benefits, and now it's time to get a job.

You seem to have missed the point.

Welfare recipients are less likely than the rest of us to be abusing illegal drugs.

and, who said they would be denied benefits? Is that the plan, really?

and, if they were denied benefits, who in their right mind would hire them? There isn't a huge labor market for welfare dependent drug addicts.

What we really need to do is start treating drug addiction as a medical problem, rather than a legal/moral one.
 
What we really need to do is start treating drug addiction as a medical problem, rather than a legal/moral one.

The trouble is a drug test doesn't test if someone is an addict. Just because they use an illegal substance doesn't mean their an addict by default.

Many people use marijuanna recreationally. Yet they are not anymore an addict than someone drinking a beer or smoking a cigarette. They just don't think it should be illegal right or wrong.

If I remember correctly the number one most abused drug is caffeine, yet it's not illegal.
 
The trouble is a drug test doesn't test if someone is an addict. Just because they use an illegal substance doesn't mean their an addict by default.

Many people use marijuanna recreationally. Yet they are not anymore an addict than someone drinking a beer or smoking a cigarette. They just don't think it should be illegal right or wrong.

If I remember correctly the number one most abused drug is caffeine, yet it's not illegal.

I'd like to see them try to outlaw caffeine. Can you imagine the underground market?

My understanding is that pot is not addictive. Why is it illegal again?
 
My understanding is that pot is not addictive. Why is it illegal again?

Anything can be be addictive. I believe marijuanna is illegal based purely for political reasons. Some say it should be illegal because smoking is bad. However vaporizers can be used in place of smoking it and it's cleaner than smoking it. Is it bad for you? Not any worse than other recreational things like alcohol.

If it became legal I would prolly try it, however, since it isn't I won't jeopardize my livelihood for it. I believe in passive resistance for some things. This just isn't one for me, although I do t fault those that do.
 
Don't forget, Rick Scott formerly owned a company that provided urine tests until he transfered the company to his wife. Something stinks in Forida besides the trucks full of urine.
Yes

Interesting. I didn't know that. Yes, there does seem to be a detectable odor of more than just urine.
 
Sure, I'll piss in a cup.

The day I need help from the government.

I actually don't use any drug, except tobacco, if that counts, because if I get hurt at work, BAM, piss test.

It is illegal, and the more people that get caught doing it the better. Until it is legal, then who cares. I personally have no problem with anyone using drugs. But, seriously if you are going to ask for state assistance, then you should be happy to whiz in a cup.

And as for this statistic about people on welfare being the least likely to use, then seriously what is the issue? So it is useless, and won't catch anyone right?

And if that is all I have to do to get a free government money check is piss in a cup, then by god I'll piss in 4 everyday. I could wake up, and not do anything but go down and pee in a cup, even on stage I don't care, then go pay my rent and play some x box. Sounds like the american dream to me.
 
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