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Breaking News: Herman Cain Wins Florida Presidential Straw Poll, Rick Perry 2nd Read

Re: Breaking News: Herman Cain Wins Florida Presidential Straw Poll, Rick Perry 2nd

I was quite supportive for Cain, till he screwed up in May/June with his Muslim comment,

That comment (and then his explanation) ended my consideration of supporting him.
 
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That comment (and then his explanation) ended my consideration of supporting him.

i never liked his pizzas.
 
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It would be interesting to see the black voters response if Caine was rep nominee. My suspicion is he would be labeled an Uncle Tom, sad really.
 
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That comment (and then his explanation) ended my consideration of supporting him.
I don't know about you, but I'm still willing to give him a chance. He has apologized for his comments and talked to Muslim leaders. Maybe he has actually learned something, at least it will be a good excuse.

However, there are no perfect candidate. Obama certainly isn't. Cain may not be perfect, but the other candidates are much worse.
Rick Perry - He turns too many people off, and he is not bright enough. Just listen to his comment about what we would do if Pakistan lost control over their Nuclear weapons. He is going to be made a fool in the international environment, where he can't rely on rehearsed answers.
Mitt Romney - Major Flip Flopper. Does anyone know what he stands for or what he really will do in power? He can't be trusted and does not desverve to become president. I rather have Obama.

In this environment I think Cain is the best candidate. He is intelligent, good speaker, and a quick learner.
 
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I don't think he really has a chance in the primary, so how well he does in the general election is irrelevant. However, if he somehow did win the nomination, I don't see him having a chance in hell of winning. The biggest knock against him is that he has absolutely no record to run on. His 9-9-9 tax plan will never become reality, and is basically the same tired conservative economic orthodoxy we've heard again and again (lower individual and corporate income tax rates, decrease the number of brackets or have a flat tax, instituted FairTax or some sort of national excise tax, etc.) It's simply not gonna happen.

I think having no record is still better than having Obama's record...Obama had next to no record when he won. The 9-9-9 plan is a great plan...the status quo is getting us nowhere and there is nothing more fair than a flat tax or a consumption tax.

On other notes. He's the only republican that has said anything about health care other than "I'm gonna repeal Obamacare" congratu****inglations. You and every other republican. Cain actually gives ideas on how to improve on the broken system. He's the only candidate that doesn't **** himself when he's asked a question about SS. He gives actual ideas and models on how to fix it.

He's not an empty shell of right wing rhetoric, he gives ideas when others just say **** obama in everything they say.
 
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1 - Can you list the # of times the Federal Reserve has been audited?
2 - That's an appointed job. Not sure about the significance of it.
2 - He supported TARP before he found out how they were going to implement it.
3 - Let us know when the trial begins.
4 - No big deal. Had to do with timing.
5 - He is probably correct. The percentage might be only 89%, but 90% is close enough.
6 - I would have preferred Romney over McCain.
7 - He want to speak to the generals first. That's fine with me.
8 - Okay.
9 - Cool.
10 - It will go up, but income taxes come down.

Wow! I think we need to take Cain to the gallows and hang him for such things as shown by someone biased against Cain. Hang 'Em High!

Better watch it, someone's gonna call you racist for wanting to hang a black man....oh wait, nobody cares about black conservatives.
 
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I don't know about you, but I'm still willing to give him a chance. He has apologized for his comments and talked to Muslim leaders. Maybe he has actually learned something, at least it will be a good excuse.

However, there are no perfect candidate. Obama certainly isn't. Cain may not be perfect, but the other candidates are much worse.
Rick Perry - He turns too many people off, and he is not bright enough. Just listen to his comment about what we would do if Pakistan lost control over their Nuclear weapons. He is going to be made a fool in the international environment, where he can't rely on rehearsed answers.
Mitt Romney - Major Flip Flopper. Does anyone know what he stands for or what he really will do in power? He can't be trusted and does not desverve to become president. I rather have Obama.

In this environment I think Cain is the best candidate. He is intelligent, good speaker, and a quick learner.

And actually ran something.
 
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This is just too funny. We are 14 months from the General election, and over 3 months away from the actual primary process taking place. Plus we have some libs in this thread throwing out their opinion on just whom we as conservatives should nominate.

There is a long way to go, and by the actual convention I suspect that we will see many different people being talked about like they are the answer to Obama's failed Presidency. But, let's keep one thing foremost on our minds. Regardless of whom wins the nomination, Obama and the libs looking to undermine the fabric of this country over their shared vision of failed Euro collectivism, and a seeming guilt of success in this country, we will nominate someone who is more than able to unseat this failure of a President.

j-mac
 
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i never liked his pizzas.
When I was a kid, they were the first deep-dish in town. Best pizza place as far as us kids were concerned. Having ones little league team (football) sponsored by Godfathers was tha bomb (and the team got to eat there together at the end of the year). It was in the same little mall as Kelly's Seafood and any other destination for dinner was second-class.
I don't know about you, but I'm still willing to give him a chance. He has apologized for his comments and talked to Muslim leaders. Maybe he has actually learned something, at least it will be a good excuse.
Link please? Last I heard he was all "well, I can't tell what's in their head". I'd like an explanation and retraction of both the cabinet comment and the subsequent explanation.
 
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Better watch it, someone's gonna call you racist for wanting to hang a black man....oh wait, nobody cares about black conservatives.

Oh my! I didn't even think of that.
 
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Link please? Last I heard he was all "well, I can't tell what's in their head". I'd like an explanation and retraction of both the cabinet comment and the subsequent explanation.

Why, if it is how he feels then it should be all good. You didn't plan on voting repub anyway did you?

j-mac
 
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Maybe

___________ President

Cain Vice-President
 
Re: Breaking News: Herman Cain Wins Florida Presidential Straw Poll, Rick Perry 2nd

Herman Cain has a lot up stairs and I like what he says and the conviction with which he he answers questions is refreshing and beat hell out of most in the debate.

I'm beginning to like Mr. Cain more and more.
 
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Herman Cain has a lot up stairs and I like what he says and the conviction with which he he answers questions is refreshing and beat hell out of most in the debate.

I'm beginning to like Mr. Cain more and more.

I'm with you and many that I talk to say the same thing. If our little sample says anything, Cain is gathering steam.
 
Re: Breaking News: Herman Cain Wins Florida Presidential Straw Poll, Rick Perry 2nd

Isn't this the Straw Poll that whoever won it has been the nominee every year since 1979?
 
Re: Breaking News: Herman Cain Wins Florida Presidential Straw Poll, Rick Perry 2nd

1 - Can you list the # of times the Federal Reserve has been audited?
2 - That's an appointed job. Not sure about the significance of it.
2 - He supported TARP before he found out how they were going to implement it.
3 - Let us know when the trial begins.
4 - No big deal. Had to do with timing.
5 - He is probably correct. The percentage might be only 89%, but 90% is close enough.
6 - I would have preferred Romney over McCain.
7 - He want to speak to the generals first. That's fine with me.
8 - Okay.
9 - Cool.
10 - It will go up, but income taxes come down.

Wow! I think we need to take Cain to the gallows and hang him for such things as shown by someone biased against Cain. Hang 'Em High!

1- the Federal Reserve determines how and to what degree it can be audited. They never been "fully" audited even by Deloitte and other private organizations.
2- Won't audit the fed. "Since its inception in 1913, the Federal Reserve has helped to devalue our dollar by 95%. During the recent economic crisis, it has poured trillions of dollars into the economy with no oversight, made secret agreements with foreign banks and governments, and has refused to tell Congress who is getting the money or to give it the details of what deals are being made.". To not have a full audit over a organization who has control over our monetary policy is asking for trouble. There QE into our economy has only made things significantly worst as we're headed into a double dip recession.
3- He didn't like it because it picked "winner and losers" but still supported the bail outs nonetheless.
4- It's just 5 lawsuits so it's just about settling on money. More-so the actions should be taken into consideration.
5 ehhh... I think his only economic plan is the 9/9/9 plan or from what I've google. Doesn't sound too promising unless someone can find something else recently.
6- 4th Amendment. Although since you & Cain think the Patroit act is most part great, then k. Funny since Cain is such a advocate for the Constitution. Also life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness & abolishing govt is the Declaration of Independence.
7- Ditto if i was choosing between the lesser of two evils. Both practically agreed on the same things in 2008 except for technicalities here & there. It was like voting for different colors of the same car.
8- And he'll follow the generals advice gun ho. We need a commander & chief to rein in our militarism Day 1. Betting on luck that he'll change it isn't promising but him saying no timetable in iraq = surrender is a pretty much guarantee that it's status quo.
9 - k.
10- Isn't the rich money doled up in capital gains and property gains, not income?

To put this in simpler terms, if I you owned a slice of bread, and I took 10% of that slice of bread, you might go hungry, but if another person owned a warehouse of bread and I took 10% of that warehouse, they're not going to be pressured as badly.

How does this work out for the middle class and poor?

Bias against him? No (although i do like to poke), I'm just merely asking questions looking to see if supporters care about these issues or not. I'm not telling you that you shouldn't vote for him but looking for supporters thoughts about these issues. If you're fine with it...then you're fine with it :-D

And you never answer my questions. How rude!

I'm not interested in discussing the site rep since that is irrelevant. Like I said, I'm looking for Cain's supporters thoughts about these issues posted on the site and a rebuttal to them. Your 2nd response is what I was initially looking for after posting those issues on the site to here.
 
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I'm not interested in discussing the site rep since that is irrelevant. Like I said, I'm looking for Cain's supporters thoughts about these issues posted on the site and a rebuttal to them. Your 2nd response is what I was initially looking for after posting those issues on the site to here.

I got it. You don't care whether or not the site was biased or inaccurate. You just want to see what supporters say. Oh, okay.
 
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I got it. You don't care whether or not the site was biased or inaccurate. You just want to see what supporters say. Oh, okay.

Which is why I want a rebuttal to it :-D They outline issues which I was hoping for a response too.
 
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Which is why I want a rebuttal to it :-D They outline issues which I was hoping for a response too.

They outline what you think are issues. There could be some fraudulent hanky-panky going on with the website, like doctoring videos, leaving out relevant portions, etc. Since we don't know who put it together, I'll pass on it as it could very well be junk.
 
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They outline what you think are issues. There could be some fraudulent hanky-panky going on with the website, like doctoring videos, leaving out relevant portions, etc. Since we don't know who put it together, I'll pass on it as it could very well be junk.

Which is why i was asking for Cain supporters (or anyone) who have knowledgeable inside of Cain to rebuttal it. Should be easy for them to pick it apart.
 
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Which is why i was asking for Cain supporters (or anyone) who have knowledgeable inside of Cain to rebuttal it. Should be easy for them to pick it apart.

What needs a rebuttal?
 
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I agreed with the first half of your post...but your picks I believe are dead wrong....gingrich paul or caine none will win the primary imho

Well we'll have to see. I don't think Gingrich will win either, but he has more of a shot than a lot of the others. The problem with a lot of people's thinking on these subjects is that it's so short-sighted, when candidates like Perry won't actually last because of his record and intellect. Caine is only somewhat tested right now, but he has done very well and I think he may be a new American leader if he brings out more ideas

In short, we'll just have to wait and see. I stick by my predictions
 
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Which is why i was asking for Cain supporters (or anyone) who have knowledgeable inside of Cain to rebuttal it. Should be easy for them to pick it apart.

What if Caine tapped Paul to be VP? Would you still be mud-slinging like this?
 
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What if Caine tapped Paul to be VP? Would you still be mud-slinging like this?

Who knows, but I might have to start. :lamo
 
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