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Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

Cover Your Ass.

Plain and simple.

The cops and prosecution in this case will see irreparable damage to their careers if it comes out that they almost killed an innocent man (which lets the ACTUAL perpetrator off scott free, in case you guys were conveniently forgetting that in your bloodlust).
A point I brought up yesterday.

So they circle the wagons and put their heads down and play code of silence, instead of owning up and facing JUSTICE. Which is why its DISGUSTING when it happens. Because JUSTICE is supposed to be their JOB, remember?

Sorry, this just pisses me off. Imagine lying strapped to a table with needles in your arm, KNOWING, you didn't do what you are about to be killed for. Makes me want to slap the **** out of everybody who pulled a "too bad, so sad. C-ya wouldn't want to be ya" attitude about this. But I don't have the time or energy to slap that many people, so this'll have to do.

Fine, be pissed all you want, but at least recognize the irony of wishing somebody else (anyone who disagrees with you on this) would also executed for something they didn't do in order to satisfy your bloodlust.
 
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I apologize if that is the way it came off. I never intended to imply that if you are for the death penalty then you "wish for innocent people to be put to death." Of course you want just the guilty to be killed. But there is no judicial system that can produce a 100% proof positive way of killing only the guilty. Therefore you have to be willing to permit executing innocents at some rate in order to fulfill a desire to kill the guilty. There is no way around that.

There is no 100% proof-positive system in killing just the guilty in a death penalty system but executions are 100% proof-positive in not being reversible.

I think it would be possible to require a standard of evidence that would make mistaken killings vanishingly rare.

What's disgusting is that a relatively inexpensive DNA test would put a lot of this crap to rest, one way or the other, probably saving money AND increasing confidence in our justice system, by freeing the innocent and shutting up the appealing guilty.

My bet is FAR too many political/bureaucratic careers would be damaged by doing so, so they foght review to cover their asses.

And every single person who is complicit, every time it happens is guilty of first degree murder. By definition. Murder weapon? The State.
 
You mean except for the 500 or so people demonstrating outside the prison? And those posting about it on message boards. And those talking about it among friends?

As best I can tell, the problem came down to the law. The law lays out the procedures, and they where followed. Once convicted, the standard of proof is changed, and there are rules for what can get him new trials, and what can get his case overturned, and so on.

So in other words the operation was a success, but the patient died.

RRRRRRR...
 
something woth pondering


Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.

- Louis Brandeis
 
And don't bother trying to brand me as soft.

I think the surely guilty of heinous crimes should sit alone in a cell with nothing but a picture of their victims to look at. Until they die in gibbering madness.

The death penalty is far too clean a death for some.

Ohhhhh sitting an a jail cell with a picture. You are a hard ass. :roll: It's annoying when someone who's anti-death penalty tries to act all hard and like they're that way because the death penalty is just too easy. It's such bull****.
 
something woth pondering


Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.

- Louis Brandeis

I thought the issue here was that the law, itself, potentially failed, not that the government disregarded or broke it.
 
So in other words the operation was a success, but the patient died.

RRRRRRR...

More like the operation went exactly as planned, but the plan was flawed.
 
the only positive that one could possibly take from this is that Troy Davis' death will give birth to more activists against the death penalty.

the death penalty supporters who expressed doubt in this case will now begin to doubt an entire system that can execute a man amidst so many unanswered questions.
 
Yeah, I noticed none of the death penalty opponents in this thread (except PoweRob) had anything to say in that thread. Why is that?

And I noticed you made it a point to avoid answering the long post I made to you in this thread. Why is that?

See how that works?
 
the only positive that one could possibly take from this is that Troy Davis' death will give birth to more activists against the death penalty.

the death penalty supporters who expressed doubt in this case will now begin to doubt an entire system that can execute a man amidst so many unanswered questions.
The 'death penalty activists' are SO involved that they wil....SQUIRREL!!!!
 
A point I brought up yesterday.



Fine, be pissed all you want, but at least recognize the irony of wishing somebody else (anyone who disagrees with you on this) would also executed for something they didn't do in order to satisfy your bloodlust.

To the first part: thought they had a stay and got pissed when I found out he had been executed.

Not exactly sure what you mean by the second part. Mr Vs response made it clear he considered the occasional innocent executed an acceptable risk. So I asked him if he would do the patriotic thing and provide the next sacrificial lamb.
Wishing the same "justice" on those who merrily support what happened tonight is the same as my favorite benediction/curse.

"I hope you get exactly what you deserve".
 
And I noticed you made it a point to avoid answering the long post I made to you in this thread. Why is that?

See how that works?

Not at all, that one's just going to take a little more time and a little less tiredness than I got going on right now to reply to it
 
To the first part: thought they had a stay and got pissed when I found out he had been executed.

Not exactly sure what you mean by the second part. Mr Vs response made it clear he considered the occasional innocent executed an acceptable risk. So I asked him if he would do the patriotic thing and provide the next sacrificial lamb.
Wishing the same "justice" on those who merrily support what happened tonight is the same as my favorite benediction/curse.

"I hope you get exactly what you deserve".

That's funny. I support people getting what they deserve too.
 
Ohhhhh sitting an a jail cell with a picture. You are a hard ass. :roll: It's annoying when someone who's anti-death penalty tries to act all hard and like they're that way because the death penalty is just too easy. It's such bull****.

Sorry, I like you X, but you're so far off the mark its offensive. What I proposed would certainly drive everyone subjected to it stark raving mad. Their suffering would be great and long, to be relieved only by death.

For which I will make you BEG, but will never grant.

No books. No TV. No mail. No conversation with another human being. No eye contact. 100% of your nutritional needs met by exactly the same gruel, every day. SOLITARY. Until you die of natural causes.

That hard enough for you?
 
The 'death penalty activists' are SO involved that they wil....SQUIRREL!!!!

You're forgetting that Perry is being pasted with an ugly brush for an execution in his state, so I'm betting tomorrow sometime a reporter's going to ask him about the Davis execution.

So this one could have some staying power.
 
in your opinion, did Troy Davis "get what he deserved"?

Plainly stated, I don't know. I also don't know how you all are so certain that he didn't.
 
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Yeah, I noticed none of the death penalty opponents in this thread (except PoweRob) had anything to say in that thread. Why is that?

Because that wasn't national news :shrug:

And most people don't oppose the death penalty because they don't like killing guilty people, atleast not me, it's the fact that innocent people will die, have died because of the death penalty. There is no maybe, it has happened, and it will happen again, we aren't perfect, and we will make mistakes. You can release a man from prison, you can't dig him up, and bring him back to life.
 
Sorry, I like you X, but you're so far off the mark its offensive. What I proposed would certainly drive everyone subjected to it stark raving mad. Their suffering would be great and long, to be relieved only by death.

For which I will make you BEG, but will never grant.

No books. No TV. No mail. No conversation with another human being. No eye contact. 100% of your nutritional needs met by exactly the same gruel, every day. SOLITARY. Until you die of natural causes.

That hard enough for you?

Bringing the facts of the other case where a man was drug behind a truck, I'd say no, it's not enough. Interesting to note though, that if you really believe kicking back in a jail cell is a fate worse than death, then by advocating the DP, I'm actually the one who's showing mercy.
 
Plainly stated, I don't know. I also don't know how you all are so certain that he didn't.
you do this all the time. you throw things into your arguments that people don't say.

where did i say i was certain that he didn't?
 
Plainly stated, I don't know. I also don't know how you all are so certain that he didn't.

I'm certainly not certain he didn't.

What I am certain of is there is certainly no way to take it back, and they certainly could have waited a little longer so that everybody could be certain he had it coming.
 
To the first part: thought they had a stay and got pissed when I found out he had been executed.

Not exactly sure what you mean by the second part. Mr Vs response made it clear he considered the occasional innocent executed an acceptable risk. So I asked him if he would do the patriotic thing and provide the next sacrificial lamb.
Wishing the same "justice" on those who merrily support what happened tonight is the same as my favorite benediction/curse.

"I hope you get exactly what you deserve".

I am totally shocked that the US can murder a man when there is so much doubt about his guilt. Acting much like China I would say and a sad sign for the future if this is the direction it is heading in.

I don't support the death penalty myself even if people are guilty. However thankfully in the UK we have over the years had several people proved innocent who would have died several years before they were found innocent if we had a death penalty. This has led to most pro DP MP's saying that for this reason even they could not vote for it ...but as the west goes more and more right wing, will this change. Who knows? Some sections of the US clearly have no problems killing people where there is serious doubt of their guilt. Sad day for the integrity of the US.
 
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I don't support the death penalty either, but legal execution isn't, legally, murder.
 
I don't support the death penalty either, but legal execution isn't, legally, murder.

That could lead to an interesting case.

Under English Law
Actus reus

The definition of the actus reus (Latin for "wrongful act") of murder most usually cited is that by Edward Coke:

"Murder is when a man of sound memory and of the age of discretion, unlawfully killeth within any county of the realm any reasonable creature in rerum natura under the King's peace, with malice aforthought, either expressed by the party or implied by law, so as the party wo, or hurt etc. die of the wound or hurt etc.within a year and a day of the same.

Unlawfully

"Unlawfully" means against law whether civil or criminal. "Malice" is one of the elements which can commonly distinguish a civil wrong (for which the wrongdoer is usually only liable to make financial reparation) from a criminal act (for which the wrongdoer is liable in the matter of murder to imprisonment for life); a death can still be "unlawful" (e.g. one caused by an act of negligence) even if no specific criminal offence is proved.

Murder in English law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think a lawyer could show that this was neither in accord with civil or criminal law. We demand that the person is found guilty beyond reasonable doubt. In this case there was clearly massive doubt, so I would suggest that even though it went by the process of the law, that process was found to be corrupt - but maybe things are different in the US.
 
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