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Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

At one time that was probably true, however, in today's market the only benefit I can actually say they provide their workers is that job security that others don't have, but they do it at the expense of future generation have the opportunity of having that job due to the fact that todays union thugs act more like petulant children screaming mine, mine, mine, and more, more, more....

They are the new dinosaur that is on its way out.


j-mac

That's your opinion, but even job security in today's world is worth something. Giving busniess all the cards will not make things better. Again, the only way to appease business enough, espeically big busniess, is to work for nothing, do away with benefits, and pay them to stay. There's a book by a former Michigna governor I heard about last, showing that giving business everything didn't work. They left anyway. But, I'll look for that later.

The fact is demonizing workers who tried to work together to make things better, while ignoring the greed and poor decisions of business says somethign about the person doing that than it does unions. Tone it down a bit. Quit seeing everyone who sees it differently as the enemy or crooks or any other such label.
 
Thanks !!! you gave me my laffer for the day, but you do owe me for a keyboard since I spit my coffee all over mine.

You NEVER answer, you obfuscate, change the subject, bring up strawmen, and accuse others of doing exactly what you do. And besides that, you obviously are having problems following discussions as evidenced by your comments above.

In other words, you have become one of the most hyperpartisan hacks on this board.

I point again to the answer. Are you saying if it is not the one you want, that would say you're right, then you won't count it as an answer? Seriously, you want to go with that?

:lamo
 
Making a "good wage" at the expense of expanded job force, and a current employee pool that works to the least productive level without fear of losing their job is what produced this turd
j-mac

Yes, in some ways unions have become beasts. But is it any worse than the corporate beast that will keep you on just right before they would have to pay some pension or retirement and then let you go?

Seems you are just wanting to tie up one beast and let the other one roam around destroying things in different ways.
 
That's your opinion, but even job security in today's world is worth something. Giving busniess all the cards will not make things better. Again, the only way to appease business enough, espeically big busniess, is to work for nothing, do away with benefits, and pay them to stay. There's a book by a former Michigna governor I heard about last, showing that giving business everything didn't work. They left anyway. But, I'll look for that later.

The fact is demonizing workers who tried to work together to make things better, while ignoring the greed and poor decisions of business says somethign about the person doing that than it does unions. Tone it down a bit. Quit seeing everyone who sees it differently as the enemy or crooks or any other such label.

What you do not seem to get is that WORK RULES are more of a reason why unions have fallen out of favor. You want to make this about wages only which I think you know is untrue.

Work rules are like government regulations. By that I mean we certainly need some so business does not get out of control. However it is also important to understand that we need sensible regulations or work rules, make sure that we make sure the rules are followed. But if in the case of business it creates to much featherbedding then it works for neither the company nor the worker long term.
 
How the hell does Obama know how high is too high? :lamo

Why is there the little green emoticon at the end of a rather ridiculous and terrible unfunny statement?
 
Why is there the little green emoticon at the end of a rather ridiculous and terrible unfunny statement?

I think he is laughing at the incredible ineptness of boy blunder-Obumble the magic Kenyan
 
What you do not seem to get is that WORK RULES are more of a reason why unions have fallen out of favor. You want to make this about wages only which I think you know is untrue.

Work rules are like government regulations. By that I mean we certainly need some so business does not get out of control. However it is also important to understand that we need sensible regulations or work rules, make sure that we make sure the rules are followed. But if in the case of business it creates to much featherbedding then it works for neither the company nor the worker long term.

I get that completely, but the anger is misguided. Negoiate better. Much of those work rules were given in lue of pay. This was business' way of saying I don't want to pay more. And yet, the venom always seems to be spewed in one direction.
 
Aww, don't get snarky professor....It doesn't suit you well. The fact remains that UAW bloat, and golden pension systems are strangling the company. Unions are for that part of the work force that could never succeed on their own without protection.

j-mac

jealous, right? let me tell you something.....the workers who retire after working the line for 30 deserve every penny they get. the company contracted with those workers, period.

and you absolutely have no ****ing clue what you're talking if you think all union workers couldn't succeed without the union. in fact, some of them are pretty smart......working hard but for a pension and health benefits when they retire.
 
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Interesting. Based on your arguments I believe you would have opposed the first American revolution. I know you will oppose the second one. But that is where your arguments ultimately take us. If there is not redress, of there is no stepping back from disaster then disaster will come.
It was conservatives of the time who wanted the status quo, it was the liberals who sought revolution.
 
That is his goal. It is a tenet of Marxism to wreck capitalism with steeply progressive taxation. Guess what the one term Marxist president continues to propose?

Socialist utopia can only come after all are made uniformly miserable. The dictatorship of the proles will endure forever.
It was the Wall Street gang who brought our economy to near collapse, just like in 1929.
 
First of all, this opinion that you have posted from Media Matters of all places, is the view of the liberal progressive left in this country, and we know that. Nothing new in that, and nothing to back up their assertion that Cap Gains cuts, or Corporate tax relief would only be short term, in fact just the opposite.



The CBO, although being quoted in true cherry pick fashion by both sides, is as a matter of actual fact often wrong in their assertions due to the fact that the way they are set up to score certain things boxes them in to only the information that any given side of the argument gives them, and can not make their own true evaluation through independent research.

Now, Media Matters well known for cherry picking, and completely out of context argument purposely swayed against anything not in the progressive wheelhouse is disconcerting that anyone would post from them honestly.

It would be to me like taking something from an opinion based right wing source, and passing it off as fact based, like say from the American Thinker. I like their articles, but they are opinion, and should be represented as such.

The other end of that argument that I detest these days is the fallacy of the infallable un named generalization. So before you throw out there that "many", or "most" agree with ANYTHING you have to type in defense of your class war division of this country, know that it is crap before you start.

So stick to facts, and we will all be better for it....Thanks.

j-mac
You talk about facts, but you haven't given any. How about this source?
The Tax Foundation - Obama and Gibson Capital Gains Tax Exchange
 
if making a good wage and getting decent benefits is 'mediocre'...ok, i'm cool with that....UAW AND PROUD OF IT
Conservative/libertarians think low wages make a thriving economy - it does just the opposite.
 
Conservative/libertarians think low wages make a thriving economy - it does just the opposite.

nah liberals want artificially high wages for union members at the expense of others

unsustainable wages that send jobs overseas
 
Unions clearly were a benefit until they became a hindrance. Pendulums seem to swing to far in either direction. The problem seems to be less about salary and benefits and more about work rules. The new Boeing plant in SC as I understand it paid essentially the same think as the union plant.
SC must be a right-to-work-for-less state.
 
nah liberals want artificially high wages for union members at the expense of others

unsustainable wages that send jobs overseas
Sending jobs overseas make corporate profits higher/CEO's compensation bigger. Retail prices of products sold is determined by supply and demand principles.
 
SC must be a right-to-work-for-less state.

How much less will Boeing workers in SC than those in Washington???

You seem to think you have all the answers, now's your chance.
 
Nothing feigned. I find it sad you had to be told. That's plain and simple.

wrong, its you who felt that way--its a common tactic of the left-to assume airs of adulthood and try to pretend superior maturity which is hilarious because leftwing philosophy is one of faux parenthood dominating millions of needy children. LIberalism appeals to those who want to remain children and those who want to be their pretend parents
 
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