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Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

I'm sure the families of those that died in the war can testify how it has hurt them.

Tell us conservative, what did you sacrifice for the war in Iraq? Nothing?

I had three family members in Iraq, two in the Army and one a Marine. All three came back and said we did the right thing. I don't have any respect for people whose entire argument is based upon a false sense of loyalty to our military for if you had loyalty to our military you would support their mission and stop bitching about that which you don't understand.
 
Why do you believe that one clause, to provide for the general welfare trumps the entire rest of the Constitution?

It doesn't at all. It only grants the government two powers- to tax and to spend. If it wants to exercise any other power it needs to find that power somewhere else. For example, the EPA regulates businesses, so it could not exist just under the spending clause. It also has regulatory powers, so those need to come from somewhere. In that case, the commerce clause is where they come from. Without the commerce clause, there could be no EPA. But something like the department of Education has no power. It can't tell anybody to do anything. So they don't need any powers beyond spending.
 
I had three family members in Iraq, two in the Army and one a Marine. All three came back and said we did the right thing. I don't have any respect for people whose entire argument is based upon a false sense of loyalty to our military for if you had loyalty to our military you would support their mission and stop bitching about that which you don't understand.

So you didn't sacrifice anything. Got it. Thanks for the clarification.
 
No, payroll tax is a category that includes FICA, but not all payroll taxes are FICA. For example, unemployment taxes and disability insurance taxes are other payroll taxes

The point is none of those fund the expenses of the U.S. Govt and that is the point so stop bringing them up.
 
You are a one trick pony, the war in Iraq, the war in Iraq, the war in Iraq. How did that hurt you and your family. Both wars cost 1.4 trillion in 10 years or 140 billion a year. That didn't create the 14.6 trillion debt
What were the positive results from the war in Iraq? I see vast amounts of money down the drain, a huge death toll, thousands of servicemen with life altering injuries...
 
So you didn't sacrifice anything. Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

That the best you can do? Three family members serving over there for 4 years so that you can bitch and complain about their service and the war. Thank you for showing who you are
 
What were the positive results from the war in Iraq? I see vast amounts of money down the drain, a huge death toll, thousands of servicemen with life altering injuries...

we brought the people of Iraq freedom, liberty, democracy, and all that other good stuff.
 
The point is none of those fund the expenses of the U.S. Govt and that is the point so stop bringing them up.

I certainly understand why you would prefer only to talk about taxes that rich people pay more of. That would fit better with your distorted view of the world. But that isn't reality, so no, I refuse to selectively edit out information until it matches your assumptions....
 
What were the positive results from the war in Iraq? I see vast amounts of money down the drain, a huge death toll, thousands of servicemen with life altering injuries...

You want to discuss the war, start a new thread and I will join you. Stop trying to derail this one. The cost of the wars were a drop in the bucket of our 14.6 trillion debt but it is red meat to liberals who want to divert from what ever issue they cannot defend.
 
I never made the claim it was unconstitutional, YOU did. This is not about me this is about you claiming all the other lawyers that have deemed this appropriate being wrong. So if you are right, why aren't you out there right now trying to get this case heard from the supreme court? Cause we know you are phony or you are a ambulance chaser and nothing more.

lots of lawyers are scummy and make claims that are in error

and you are violating the rules
 
I certainly understand why you would prefer only to talk about taxes that rich people pay more of. That would fit better with your distorted view of the world. But that isn't reality, so no, I refuse to selectively edit out information until it matches your assumptions....

What you need to do is educate yourself on the expenses of the govt. and what taxes go where. Until you do that you never will understand the issue. FICA doesn't fund the Federal Govt. as those are basically insurance programs that provide actual benefits to individuals. Property taxes fund police and fire along with schools in addition to sales taxes and any other local taxes. You don't understand state, local, and Federal Taxes
 
That the best you can do? Three family members serving over there for 4 years so that you can bitch and complain about their service and the war. Thank you for showing who you are

Im not complaining about them, only YOU. YOU didn't sacrifice anything. I love how you ask how the Iraq war hurt families and you didnt sacrifice anything. Go figure having others fight.

BTW, I was in the war in the beginning so kiss off I sacrificed for a mission I didn't believe in. Yet I did my duty as such because that is who I was. You know nothing of me.
 
lots of lawyers are scummy and make claims that are in error

and you are violating the rules

That's your reasoning? Some lawyers are scummy? So why haven't YOU got any backing, could it be because you are wrong?

As for breaking the forum rules, report me. You personally attacked me.
 
You want to discuss the war, start a new thread and I will join you. Stop trying to derail this one. The cost of the wars were a drop in the bucket of our 14.6 trillion debt but it is red meat to liberals who want to divert from what ever issue they cannot defend.

As you said in another thread, all of it ADDS up. So tough **** you don't like it. It can be brought up when dealing with debt.
 
What you need to do is educate yourself on the expenses of the govt. and what taxes go where. Until you do that you never will understand the issue. FICA doesn't fund the Federal Govt. as those are basically insurance programs that provide actual benefits to individuals. Property taxes fund police and fire along with schools in addition to sales taxes and any other local taxes. You don't understand state, local, and Federal Taxes

Kiddo, we're talking about what share is paid by who. Where it goes has nothing to do with that...
 
You are a one trick pony, the war in Iraq, the war in Iraq, the war in Iraq. How did that hurt you and your family. Both wars cost 1.4 trillion in 10 years or 140 billion a year. That didn't create the 14.6 trillion debt

No one source was the cause. All combined is.
 
That's your reasoning? Some lawyers are scummy? So why haven't YOU got any backing, could it be because you are wrong?

As for breaking the forum rules, report me. You personally attacked me.

consider it done. and plenty of constitutional scholars believe the new deal was a violation of existing precedent and improper.
 
Im not complaining about them, only YOU. YOU didn't sacrifice anything. I love how you ask how the Iraq war hurt families and you didnt sacrifice anything. Go figure having others fight.

BTW, I was in the war in the beginning so kiss off I sacrificed for a mission I didn't believe in. Yet I did my duty as such because that is who I was. You know nothing of me.

You have a family? If not you have no clue what sacrifice means. Every night you don't sleep well afraid that phone is going to ring or someone from the military is going to show up on your doorstep. If you served, thank you but don't give me that bull**** about not sacrificing when three family members are in combat. Good thing you got out as you give the military a bad name
 
capital gains.........so how much do I pay in property taxes?

What do you mean by the "capital gain argument"? Just that somebody making that much is paying capital gains tax not income tax?

Obviously I don't know how much you personally pay in property taxes... That has nothing to do with what we're talking about kiddo. We know how much, on average, different economic brackets pay in property taxes, so there is no excuse to just ignore that to distort the results of our analysis.
 
consider it done. and plenty of constitutional scholars believe the new deal was a violation of existing precedent and improper.

and what does the SCOTUS have to say about the New Deal?

if SCOTUS finds the New Deal programs to be legal, then they are legal.
 
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