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Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

Phys251 said:
The rich may have to pay a little more in taxes. WAAAAAAAAAA!

The divide between the rich and the poor might actually close a tiny morsel. WAAAAAAAAAAA!

"Class warfare." WAAAAAAAAAAA!

The top tax bracket might actually nudge a bit closer to the Nixon tax rates or the Eisenhower tax rates. WAAAAAAAAAAAA!

The rich may have to start buying slightly smaller yachts. WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

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Christ! What is up with the crybabiness??
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Some people just cannot stand the idea of freedom or of liberty. I count you among them.
 
Tettsuo said:
5% of the population will not and simply cannot consume as much as the remaining 95%. So giving tax cuts to the 95% will have a much better impact on consumer demand.
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How does one give a federal income tax break to one who pays no federal income tax? About half of us do not pay anything. A percentage of those get a redistribution of wealth payment from the government.

Class warfare is a Marxist tool. It works. Those of you who are liberal class warriors seeking to take from those who make your lives far better than they otherwise would be, what happens when you run out of their money?
 
sangha said:
I hate to break this to you, but this thread isn't about the 2009 stimulus bill.

Nice try though
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No, it's about stimulus light, or stimulus part two..... take you choice. This one will fail like the first one.
 
Misterveritis said:
Some people just cannot stand the idea of freedom or of liberty. I count you among them.
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I love it when conservatives bring up freedom and liberty. You mean of course the freedom and liberty for gays to have their marriages recognized by the state? Do you mean the freedom and liberty to take marijuanna? Do you mean the freedom to protest instead of "free speech" zones implemented? Do you mean the freedom and liberty to burn a flag? Do you mean the freedom and liberty to not have television censored?

Oh you just meant freedom and liberty for YOUR ideas only right?

Face it, conservatives really don't have a leg to stand on with freedom and liberty since the majority of the
have NO problem themselves with using government to enforce their anti-freedom and anti-liberty acts.
 
Thunder said:
save the hyperbole.

the whiny wealthy can afford to pay more in income taxes, while the poor & middle-class really can't.
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The reality is the wealthy can pay more. There are legitimate questions around how to do it. Obama's approach is to leave this broken tax system to continue and add a few more complexities like a new AMT, when the current AMT is broken. Or do we do what we did I think in 1986 during a divided government and materially change the tax system.

Also this whole tax the rich or not issue is a sideshow because neither side is coming up with substantive solutions to the long term problems of the US economy.
 
TheNextEra said:
I love it when conservatives bring up freedom and liberty. You mean of course the freedom and liberty for gays to have their marriages recognized by the state? Do you mean the freedom and liberty to take marijuanna? Do you mean the freedom to protest instead of "free speech" zones implemented? Do you mean the freedom and liberty to burn a flag? Do you mean the freedom and liberty to not have television censored?

Oh you just meant freedom and liberty for YOUR ideas only right?

Face it, conservatives really don't have a leg to stand on with freedom and liberty since the majority of the
have NO problem themselves with using government to enforce their anti-freedom and anti-liberty acts.
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You want your marriage recognized by the state, get the state to approve it. There is nothing in the Constitution that mentions marriage. Keep pushing and the country will enact a Constitutional Amendment against gay marriage since most don't believe in it.

Seems that liberals believe only in the freedoms that they support but not the freedom others support. This is a country of laws, you don't like the law, get it changed, if you cannot get it changed live by it.
 
washunut said:
The reality is the wealthy can pay more. There are legitimate questions around how to do it. Obama's approach is to leave this broken tax system to continue and add a few more complexities like a new AMT, when the current AMT is broken. Or do we do what we did I think in 1986 during a divided government and materially change the tax system.

Also this whole tax the rich or not issue is a sideshow because neither side is coming up with substantive solutions to the long term problems of the US economy.
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Isn't it amazing, when you ask a liberal how much money taxing the rich will generate we get nothing but talking points and no specifics. When facts are pointed out regarding the size of govt. and the fact that the deficit has never been addressed with more money, liberals ignore it and resort to talking points.

The fact that 90 million Americans(25 million unemployed and under employed Americans, 65 million employed Americans-47% of 140 employed Americans) aren't paying any FIT is ignored as liberals want to promote class warfare to get their agenda through. Those people are either far left radicals or brainwashed individuals who don't understand the consequences of their beliefs.
 
Conservative said:
You want your marriage recognized by the state, get the state to approve it. There is nothing in the Constitution that mentions marriage. Keep pushing and the country will enact a Constitutional Amendment against gay marriage since most don't believe in it.

Seems that liberals believe only in the freedoms that they support but not the freedom others support. This is a country of laws, you don't like the law, get it changed, if you cannot get it changed live by it.
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Yes, this nation is a nation of laws. So if it is determined that the rich pay more taxes, then they should work to change it if they don't like it, if they can't then live by it. Seems conservatives don't understand that.
 
TheNextEra said:
Yes, this nation is a nation of laws. So if it is determined that the rich pay more taxes, then they should work to change it if they don't like it, if they can't then live by it. Seems conservatives don't understand that.
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You won't see rich people in the streets protesting if such a law is passed but in the meantime you will see people pointing out the hypocrisy of liberals in promoting such a law. If it is determined that the rich should pay more in taxes, the top 1% or about 1.4 million people, then don't expect me to stop pointing out the irrelevance of taxes on that number and how little it will provide to the Federal Govt. thus a drop in the bucket in the overall scope of our economy.
 
j-mac said:
No I for once want a demo to give a show of good faith, instead of promising spending cuts that never materialize.

J-mac
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This is easy. Republicans to the president and democrats: "We agree. Write it down, put it in a bill, and we'll sign." This is not hard.
 
Boo Radley said:
This is easy. Republicans to the president and democrats: "We agree. Write it down, put it in a bill, and we'll sign." This is not hard.
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"Your" President has promoted class warfare, has proposed nothing in cuts and has no clue how to lead. How long is it going to take for you to realize that? His resume showed that but you ignore it.

Economic Malaise Crushes Wall Street; Dow Dives 315

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September 22, 2011

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Conservative said:
"Your" President has promoted class warfare, has proposed nothing in cuts and has no clue how to lead. How long is it going to take for you to realize that? His resume showed that but you ignore it.

Economic Malaise Crushes Wall Street; Dow Dives 315

By Adam Samson

September 22, 2011

Read more: Economic Malaise Crushes Wall Street; Dow Dives 315 | Fox Business
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No, the class warfare is coming from your side. You see working folk as evil and rich folk as gods to be appeased. You have a guy who spends 200K to feed his family and worries about only having 381K instead of 400K extra. But deounce a teacher who has a pension.

No, the class warfare is from you guys. :coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
No, the class warfare is coming from your side. You see working folk as evil and rich folk as gods to be appeased. You have a guy who spends 200K to feed his family and worries about only having 381K instead of 400K extra. But deounce a teacher who has a pension.

No, the class warfare is from you guys. :coffeepap
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Class warfare is a rich issue? Name for me one rich person that cares how much you or somone else makes or pays in taxes? You seem to believe it is the rich's responsibility to send you or anyone else a check? You seem to believe it is ok for 65 million working Americans to pay zero FIT but have no problem going after the 1% that pays 38% of the taxes. You really need to look up the definition of class warfare and when you do you will see Obama's picture by that definition along with millions of people just like you.
 
Conservative said:
Class warfare is a rich issue? Name for me one rich person that cares how much you or somone else makes or pays in taxes? You seem to believe it is the rich's responsibility to send you or anyone else a check? You seem to believe it is ok for 65 million working Americans to pay zero FIT but have no problem going after the 1% that pays 38% of the taxes. You really need to look up the definition of class warfare and when you do you will see Obama's picture by that definition along with millions of people just like you.
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Try and read what I wrote again. Maybe if you read it slow you will understand better.

:coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
Try and read what I wrote again. Maybe if you read it slow you will understand better.

:coffeepap
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Understand it completely, it isn't the rich that are concerned about teacher's pensions, it is all the taxpayers that fund those pensions who had no say in the creation of those pensions. Show me where that class warfare is that you claim is coming from the rich?

What makes you an expert on what someone else needs or spends on themselves or their family? Why is it the Federal government's role to take care of social issues in your community?
 
Conservative said:
Understand it completely, it isn't the rich that are concerned about teacher's pensions, it is all the taxpayers that fund those pensions who had no say in the creation of those pensions. Show me where that class warfare is that you claim is coming from the rich?

What makes you an expert on what someone else needs or spends on themselves or their family? Why is it the Federal government's role to take care of social issues in your community?
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Are you rich? Please point to where I say the rich are concerned about the poor?

No, you do not understand what I wrote at all it appears. :coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
Are you rich? Please point to where I say the rich are concerned about the poor?

No, you do not understand what I wrote at all it appears. :coffeepap
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You said the rich promote class warfare and that is a broad brush with no proof to support it.
 
Conservative said:
You said the rich promote class warfare and that is a broad brush with no proof to support it.
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No he didn't say rich people, he said your side. If you aren't rich, he's not talking about rich people.
 
Conservative said:
You won't see rich people in the streets protesting if such a law is passed but in the meantime you will see people pointing out the hypocrisy of liberals in promoting such a law. If it is determined that the rich should pay more in taxes, the top 1% or about 1.4 million people, then don't expect me to stop pointing out the irrelevance of taxes on that number and how little it will provide to the Federal Govt. thus a drop in the bucket in the overall scope of our economy.
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The rich won't be protesting in the streets because all they need to do is pay off Republican legislators to make sure the law won't pass. That's what you call a no-brainer.
 
TheNextEra said:
No he didn't say rich people, he said your side. If you aren't rich, he's not talking about rich people.
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Thank you. It shouldn't be this hard to understand.
 
TheNextEra said:
No he didn't say rich people, he said your side. If you aren't rich, he's not talking about rich people.
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"My side?" What is my side? Keep spinning and ignoring the party that really promotes class warfare, the Democrat Party! Still waiting for the definition of "fair share" that should be required of all Americans. 65 million INCOME EARNING Americans are paying ZERO FIT, is that their fair share?
 
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