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Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

Conservative said:
Foreign aid is in International Affairs and the 2010 budget amount was 45 billion dollars, suggest you learn to get your information from the actual budget
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Why do you think that? International Affairs sounds to me like it's talking about the state department, but no way to know since you're only linking to a list of like 100 documents and it could mean totally different things depending on which one you found it in...

Regardless, again your understanding of how much foreign aid we give was off by orders of magnitude. Obviously a view based on your previous understanding would need a radical revision to still make sense even if your new numbers were right. So lets hear it. How does that change your views?
 
teamosil said:
Dude. Freeloaders? There are other taxes. Quit lying. We have all called you out like 10 times. It's not like you're fooling anybody....
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the liars are people who pretend that not paying income tax is justified because they pay other taxes-mainly with money given them by the government. the fact is they are freeloaders and they are not paying the tax that funds almost half the government functions they also pay none of the death tax either

the people the parasitic dems want to tax the most not only pay the most income and death taxes we also pay more than our share of the other taxes as well
 
teamosil said:
Why do you think that? International Affairs sounds to me like it's talking about the state department, but no way to know since you're only linking to a list of like 100 documents and it could mean totally different things depending on which one you found it in...

Regardless, again your understanding of how much foreign aid we give was off by orders of magnitude. Obviously a view based on your previous understanding would need a radical revision to still make sense even if your new numbers were right. So lets hear it. How does that change your views?
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I gave you the link to the budget, Foreign aid is in International Affairs, look it up. The state department administers foreign aid thus controls the budget. Not even sure why this is an issue to you but my bet is no other country in the world sends countries as much as the U.S.

I would like to see healthcare costs for illegal immigrants deducted from that foreign aid.
 
Conservative said:
I gave you the link to the budget, Foreign aid is in International Affairs, look it up. The state department administers foreign aid thus controls the budget. Not even sure why this is an issue to you but my bet is no other country in the world sends countries as much as the U.S.

I would like to see healthcare costs for illegal immigrants deducted from that foreign aid.
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There is no category on that link for either the state department or international affairs. If you want me to read something, link to it properly....

How much other countries give:

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teamosil said:
There is no category on that link for either the state department or international affairs. If you want me to read something, link to it properly....

How much other countries give:

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Interesting that you seem to believe we don't give enough in foreign aid when we give more than probably all those other nations combined. This country is the first one that steps up when there is a national disaster anywhere else in the world and is a country that leaders in those countries don't appreciate.
 
TurtleDude said:
the liars are people who pretend that not paying income tax is justified because they pay other taxes-mainly with money given them by the government. the fact is they are freeloaders and they are not paying the tax that funds almost half the government functions they also pay none of the death tax either

the people the parasitic dems want to tax the most not only pay the most income and death taxes we also pay more than our share of the other taxes as well
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Whatever dude. You're not fooling anybody. People in different situations pay different taxes. People who are fortunate enough to have a super wealthy parent pay the estate tax. You think that makes everybody else freeloaders? Because they were not born rich?
 
teamosil said:
Whatever dude. You're not fooling anybody. People in different situations pay different taxes. People who are fortunate enough to have a super wealthy parent pay the estate tax. You think that makes everybody else freeloaders? Because they were not born rich?
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You dont pay for what you use, you are a freeloader

are you gonna tell your landlord you shouldn't pay rent because you are paying tuition?
 
Conservative said:
Interesting that you seem to believe we don't give enough in foreign aid when we give more than probably all those other nations combined. This country is the first one that steps up when there is a national disaster anywhere else in the world and is a country that leaders in those countries don't appreciate.
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Are you reading the graph backwards or something? We give 0.13%. Some of those countries have higher median incomes than we do, but still give a higher percentage. So, no, you're totally and completely wrong... We aren't the first to step up, we're the last to step up and we make the weakest effort. It's embarrassing.
 
teamosil said:
Are you reading the graph backwards or something? We give 0.13%. Some of those countries have higher median incomes than we do, but still give a higher percentage. So, no, you're totally and completely wrong... We aren't the first to step up, we're the last to step up and we make the weakest effort. It's embarrassing.
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How many of those countries have a 15 trillion dollar GDP? your percentages are worthless, the amount actually spent are what matters.
 
teamosil said:
What the hell are you talking about?
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you seem to think that its ok for 51 percent of america not to pay income taxes because they pay other taxes.
 
Conservative said:
Interesting that you seem to believe we don't give enough in foreign aid when we give more than probably all those other nations combined. This country is the first one that steps up when there is a national disaster anywhere else in the world and is a country that leaders in those countries don't appreciate.
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Aheeemmm she is talking about economic aid first off and she is also talking about as a % Gross National Income.

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Foreign Assistance Fast Facts
 
TurtleDude said:
you seem to think that its ok for 51 percent of america not to pay income taxes because they pay other taxes.
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Of course it is. Why would anybody possibly care what type of taxes it is a person pays in through?
 
Conservative said:
How many of those countries have a 15 trillion dollar GDP? your percentages are worthless, the amount actually spent are what matters.
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The EU is at about $18billion and they're all way ahead of us on percentages. But the percentage is all that matters. You don't get to be extra slack about it just because you live in a country with a big population...
 
teamosil said:
The EU is at about $18billion and they're all way ahead of us on percentages. But the percentage is all that matters. You don't get to be extra slack about it just because you live in a country with a big population...
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Hard to take someone who claims to live in San Francisco seriously. This country has a 15 trillion dollar GDP and no other country comes close so again 45 billion is plenty for foreign aid and probably too much. it isn't the role of this country to take care of the world but instead to help where necessary. Much of our foreign aid is stolen by the leaders of those countries.
 
teamosil said:
If you're looking for ways to spend less abroad, why not look at the military instead? We spend about 100 times as much on that.

IMO 0.13% seems below even the bare minimum we can do and respect ourselves. The bible says you should give 10%. Can't we at least hit 1%? Just seems like decency requires it. There are people around the world that starve to death every day for want of the cost of a cup of coffee and who really have no options for saving themselves on their own at all. I really can't see how we can't get the jumbo size instead of the super jumbo size every once in a while and save a bunch of lives...
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I wonder just how much of our foreign aid actually gets to the people who can't afford the cost of a cup of coffee?
 
Conservative said:
Hard to take someone who claims to live in San Francisco seriously. This country has a 15 trillion dollar GDP and no other country comes close so again 45 billion is plenty for foreign aid and probably too much. it isn't the role of this country to take care of the world but instead to help where necessary. Much of our foreign aid is stolen by the leaders of those countries.
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We are paying LESS than any other first world country as a percentage of our GDP. Less total than the EU, less per person than most first world countries, and people are still dying for want of a few pennies who have no way out of it on their own. How is that "enough"? What are you basing your determination of "enough" on?

And, again, international affairs isn't foreign aid. That's international relations. Like diplomats and embassies and whatnot.

And, again, 45 minutes ago you were thinking we spent an astounding 18% of our GDP on foreign aid. Now you know it is 0.13%. That is a radical difference. If your views are in any way based on facts, that would most definitely completely change your whole outlook, right? So why doesn't that seem to have happened? Are your views just driven by pure mindless partisanship? Or what? If we really were giving 18% of our GDP in foreign aid, I would oppose that too, but 0.13%, that's a whole different deal and not nearly enough, so I support it... Does it not work that way for you? Facts don't enter into the equation at all?
 
teamosil said:
We are paying LESS than any other first world country as a percentage of our GDP. Less total than the EU, less per person than most first world countries, and people are still dying for want of a few pennies who have no way out of it on their own. How is that "enough"? What are you basing your determination of "enough" on?

And, again, international affairs isn't foreign aid. That's international relations. Like diplomats and embassies and whatnot.

And, again, 45 minutes ago you were thinking we spent an astounding 18% of our GDP on foreign aid. Now you know it is 0.13%. That is a radical difference. If your views are in any way based on facts, that would most definitely completely change your whole outlook, right? So why doesn't that seem to have happened? Are your views just driven by pure mindless partisanship? Or what? If we really were giving 18% of our GDP in foreign aid, I would oppose that too, but 0.13%, that's a whole different deal and not nearly enough, so I support it... Does it not work that way for you? Facts don't enter into the equation at all?
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So what? Our lower percentage amounts to a higher dollar amount something apparently you cannot understand. So in your world 45 BILLION Dollars is spent on embassies and foreign diplomats? Prove that internatonal aid isn't foreign aid. I gave you the budget of the U.S. with line times. Where does foreign aid fit in?
 
danarhea said:
That was not the original question. Republicans originally claimed that tax cuts produced jobs. We had the tax cuts. So where are all those jobs? Again, it was a BS question to begin with, since it is demand that creates jobs, and it has zilch to do with tax rates.
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you took most of their rationale for your own argument as to how demand creates jobs.... you just happened to leave off the source of revenue that consumers would use to spend with... they didn't
i'm figuring you are counting money earned through wages as "valid".. but i'm not sure why you would invalidate money "earned" through less taxation.

it's a viscous circle with supply and demand sometimes... we need demand, but we don't really have the jobs available to put money in peoples pockets in order for them to spend and increase demand with.
money doesn't magically appear in peoples wallets...it's gotta come from somewhere...a job is the best place.
lowing taxes can help create jobs...depending on the details.... and I don't think it's wise for democrats and liberals to completely invalidate that idea.

even Obama and his advisers knows that tax breaks can help spur job creation... that's why they keep attempting them.
,but,they are under the idea that people who make over 250k aren't job creators though... and I haven't the foggiest idea where they get that from... they aren't teh only job creators, but they do create jobs nonetheless.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I wonder just how much of our foreign aid actually gets to the people who can't afford the cost of a cup of coffee?
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Definitely it is tough to reach people in some situations. That's just part of the cost. But the cost is still ridiculously low even given that.
 
teamosil said:
Of course it is. Why would anybody possibly care what type of taxes it is a person pays in through?
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that's really silly. You libs want the rich to pay even more INCOME TAXES when 51% of the country dont pay any
 
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