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Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

digsbe said:
I disagree with Obama's plan.

I also find the liberal hypocrisy regarding tax hikes for the wealthy to be lol worthy. So the liberal platform is typically "keep the government out of my bedroom!" "Keep the government out of women's wombs!" "Keep the government out of my lifestyle as it relates to marijuana!" "Keep the government away from the religious morals of the voting populace!"

All that flips with "Keep the government in someone else's wallet who has more than me." The typical argument I've seen is "if something doesn't affect you, then you have no right to stop it or interfere with another's choices." Many apply this argument to marijuana usage, sexual ethics, and abortion. Why not be consistent and not dictate how much someone else should pay in taxes? Why should you intrude upon someone's finances with your beliefs (that affect someone else and not you) and demand that they have to pay more? Hypocrisy is silly :mrgreen:
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There's no hypocrisy. In a just society, the state has to provide people with as much freedom as it can obtain for them. Specific rights are limited according to society's ability to accommodate them while maintaining its structural integrity.

The United States can easily accommodate legalized cannabis. It can't easily accommodate large differences in the household incomes of between lower and upper tax brackets.
 
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apdst said:
Does Buffet really pay a lower rate than his secretary? Or is that another version of truferism, like, "Bush was AWOL", or, "9/11 was an inside job"?
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very pathetic & dishonest comparisons. even if Buffett is incorrect, its still in no way similar to an accusation of mass-treason.
 
Thunder said:
very pathetic & dishonest comparisons. even if Buffett is incorrect, its still in no way similar to an accusation of mass-treason.
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In regard to the fantasy claim, they're all equal.
 
Gill said:
How many jobs do poor people create ??
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As poorer people buy a lot of worthless crap, quite a few. Mindless worship of business and wealthy is not really admirable. Let's not bestow super human powers on them. They only provide what will make a profit, needing buyers and workers every bit as much as we need their capital.
 
Gill said:
How many jobs do poor people create ??
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None, but they buy toothpaste and toilet paper and those purchases are going to bail out the economy.
 
Gill said:
How many jobs do poor people create ??
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Given the number of people who are now making a living doing yard work, odd jobs, baby-sitting, being care-givers, etc. because they are unable to find employment with the rich, it could be argued that they have created a lot of new jobs.
 
apdst said:
None, but they buy toothpaste and toilet paper and those purchases are going to bail out the economy.
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Yes, if people buy, the economy will grow. Exactly. you're starting to get actual economics. :thumbs:
 
Boo Radley said:
Yes, if people buy, the economy will grow. Exactly. you're starting to get actual economics. :thumbs:
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Yeah, but they have to buy a helluvalot more than toiletries.
 
apdst said:
Yeah, but they have to buy a helluvalot more than toiletries.
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A lot of people buying a lot of things, yes. And they do buy more than toiletries. Rent to own is doing fine.
 
Boo Radley said:
A lot of people buying a lot of things, yes. And they do buy more than toiletries. Rent to own is doing fine.
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Rent to own? Really? :lamo

Just...wow!
 
apdst said:
Rent to own? Really? :lamo

Just...wow!
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So, those washers and dryers, TV's, furniture, and computers don't count as more than toiletries?
 
Boo Radley said:
A lot of people buying a lot of things, yes. And they do buy more than toiletries. Rent to own is doing fine.
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How is raising taxes going to put people back to work? Think those evil rich companies are going to absorb those tax increases and not pass them through to the consumer?
 
Conservative said:
How is raising taxes going to put people back to work? Think those evil rich companies are going to absorb those tax increases and not pass them through to the consumer?
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We've been down this road. I never claimed it will put people back to work. I claim appeaseing companies, giving them tax breaks won't put people back to work either. Address the point I make and not just repeat something that has no bearing on what I said.
 
Boo Radley said:
So, those washers and dryers, TV's, furniture, and computers don't count as more than toiletries?
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I can see it now: The United States' economy is based on **** paper, home appliances and rent to own stores.

I'm sure that's going to work just fine.
 
Conservative said:
How is raising taxes going to put people back to work? Think those evil rich companies are going to absorb those tax increases and not pass them through to the consumer?
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Well it's been shown tax cuts don't create jobs either hence the GOP plan is already shown to be a big failure.
 
Boo Radley said:
We've been down this road. I never claimed it will put people back to work. I claim appeaseing companies, giving them tax breaks won't put people back to work either. Address the point I make and not just repeat something that has no bearing on what I said.
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IOW, the government can't create jobs, so let's soak tax payers for as much as we can.
 
apdst said:
I can see it now: The United States' economy is based on **** paper, home appliances and rent to own stores.

I'm sure that's going to work just fine.
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I think you're missing the point. That is just one eampel, but Maytag is a company that employs people. they might take exception to your disrespect of them. What do you think they don't buy?
 
Boo Radley said:
We've been down this road. I never claimed it will put people back to work. I claim appeaseing companies, giving them tax breaks won't put people back to work either. Address the point I make and not just repeat something that has no bearing on what I said.
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The point you made is always supporting the claim that we have a revenue problem when I claim we don't have a revenue problem but instead a spending problem. You want more revenue then there are over 65 million working Americans that aren't paying any FIT and some are getting a refund so their net tax is negative. The top 10% pay over 70% of the taxes but "your" President claims that isn't enough and that they aren't paying their fair share. So I guess paying taxes isn't one's fair share but paying zero in FIT is? There is no logic in that argument so it concerns me when people buy the Obama rhetoric.
 
apdst said:
I can see it now: The United States' economy is based on **** paper, home appliances and rent to own stores.

I'm sure that's going to work just fine.
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And it appears you think offshore drilling is going to employ 25 million plus people because that's the only regulation that you can come up with that's from Obama.

Tax cuts (which failed to increase jobs) and offshore drilling is your magical answer?
 
Tennessee Valley Authority... look it up.
 
TheNextEra said:
And it appears you think offshore drilling is going to employ 25 million plus people because that's the only regulation that you can come up with that's from Obama.

Tax cuts (which failed to increase jobs) and offshore drilling is your magical answer?
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No what it shows is that Business has no confidence in this Administration and knows that the net affect of the Bush tax cut has been negated by this Administration and their regulations and micro managing of the economy. Obamacare and potential for higher taxes offset those Bush tax cuts. If you think we have a revenue problem are you send in more money than required? If not, why not?
 
Boo Radley said:
I think you're missing the point. That is just one eampel, but Maytag is a company that employs people. they might take exception to your disrespect of them. What do you think they don't buy?
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You miss the point, when I say that you can't base an economy on just a handful of different industries. It's important to encourage all industries to grow, such as the oil and gas industry and the coal industry. They employ people, too.
 
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