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Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

Conservative said:
"My side?" What is my side? Keep spinning and ignoring the party that really promotes class warfare, the Democrat Party! Still waiting for the definition of "fair share" that should be required of all Americans. 65 million INCOME EARNING Americans are paying ZERO FIT, is that their fair share?
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Those of you who keep saying there is a class warfare going on. You. TD. Fox political entertainers. Others.

Now you try and change the subject?

And no one is paying zero in overall taxes. So, be more specific in your statements.
 
Boo Radley said:
Those of you who keep saying there is a class warfare going on. You. TD. Fox political entertainers. Others.

Now you try and change the subject?

And no one is paying zero in overall taxes. So, be more specific in your statements.
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You know when the right accuses the left of something, they are doing it themselves. The "class war" is against the lower and middle class.
 
Boo Radley said:
Those of you who keep saying there is a class warfare going on. You. TD. Fox political entertainers. Others.

Now you try and change the subject?

And no one is paying zero in overall taxes. So, be more specific in your statements.
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Really, we are promoting class warfare? You don't see any Conservative calling for raising taxes on a particular group but instead saying that the tax rates should be fair for all, not one group paying 38% and another paying zero.

Overall taxes? That is the liberal spin now when they realize they are losing the argument. FIT is what funds most of the Federal Govt and I have listed the line items. 65 million working Americans don't fund those functions. Other taxes are mostly state and local taxes. Still waiting for your definition of fair including is ZERO FIT fair? Then tell me what happens to state tax revenue when the Federal Govt. raises taxes on one group of taxpayers? Think those people won't be looking for a lower tax state to move to?
 
pbrauer said:
You know when the right accuses the left of something, they are doing it themselves. The "class war" is against the lower and middle class.
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Cite specifics of that class war? I don't see people in the streets protesting those who don't pay any FIT? You continue to complain that we have a revenue problem but fail to offer the definition of fair share or how much raising the taxes on those evil rich people will generate for the govt? Wonder when Buffett is going to pay his billion dollars in back taxes since you support his claim that taxes should be raised on the rich?
 
Misterveritis said:
How does one give a federal income tax break to one who pays no federal income tax? About half of us do not pay anything. A percentage of those get a redistribution of wealth payment from the government.
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Two things...

1 - I never mentioned income tax. You're free to abuse that particular strawman all you like. It has nothing to do with my statement.
2 - You're lying when you claim half of us do not pay anything. In fact, it's a bold face lie. You should be embarrassed.
Class warfare is a Marxist tool. It works. Those of you who are liberal class warriors seeking to take from those who make your lives far better than they otherwise would be, what happens when you run out of their money?
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What I presented was simple and direct. 5% of the population are doing fine and dandy while the remaining 95% are stuggling. We also have a massive deficit. We can cut jobs and make it even harder for those in the 95% range to improve or we can tax the 5% a small amount more to make up the difference. In my view the better option would be to tax the 5% who aren't struggling at all to make up the difference so the 95% can be in a better position to improve the entire countries economy. Something that 5% aren't currently doing because they can't generating the necessary demand to start the any movement... and based on the current situation, are not willing to do it.

Pick your poison.
 
Tettsuo said:
Two things...

1 - I never mentioned income tax. You're free to abuse that particular strawman all you like. It has nothing to do with my statement.
2 - You're lying when you claim half of us do not pay anything. In fact, it's a bold face lie. You should be embarrassed.

What I presented was simple and direct. 5% of the population are doing fine and dandy while the remaining 95% are stuggling. We also have a massive deficit. We can cut jobs and make it even harder for those in the 95% range to improve or we can tax the 5% a small amount more to make up the difference. In my view the better option would be to tax the 5% who aren't struggling at all to make up the difference so the 95% can be in a better position to improve the entire countries economy. Something that 5% aren't currently doing because they can't generating the necessary demand to start the any movement... and based on the current situation, are not willing to do it.

Pick your poison.
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You ought to be the one ashamed as this thread is about FIT and that is what Obama wants to raise on the rich. It does appear that like far too many liberals you don't seem to understand what funds the Federal Govt so let me help you, Federal Income Taxes and Corporate income taxes, NOT FICA(payroll taxes that fund SS and Medicare), state and local taxes which fund state and local expenses including the schools, police, and fire departments, exise taxes which fund roads and infrastructure.

What you are pointing out is that you don't have a clue what taxes fund and what Obama is proposing but you buy his rhetoric.
 
Conservative said:
Cite specifics of that class war? I don't see people in the streets protesting those who don't pay any FIT? You continue to complain that we have a revenue problem but fail to offer the definition of fair share or how much raising the taxes on those evil rich people will generate for the govt? Wonder when Buffett is going to pay his billion dollars in back taxes since you support his claim that taxes should be raised on the rich?
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Who is calling the rich evil besides you, Con?
 
Conservative said:
Do you think this country was built on the class warfare against the Rich?
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Have you ever heard of the Robber Barron era in the nineteen century? Are you anxious to see its return?
 
pbrauer said:
Who is calling the rich evil besides you, Con?
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Why would you promote raising taxes on a group of people that wasn't evil? As I understand it, you are retired. Didn't you work for someone rich?
 
pbrauer said:
Have you ever heard of the Robber Barron era in the nineteen century? Are you anxious to see its return?
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Who are the rich robbing from and why such jealousy on your part? Do you really think the rich and fund the liberal spending appetite? That is naive.
 
Conservative said:
You ought to be the one ashamed as this thread is about FIT and that is what Obama wants to raise on the rich.
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And I think it's the best option we have available. You blather on like the rich are going to be in some danger if they're income tax is increased by a few percentages. That's plain ole stupid.

I have no reason to be ashamed because I told the truth and the other guy straight up lied. Unless of course you're willing to stand behind that lie. Are you?
It does appear that like far too many liberals... blah blah blah...
What you are pointing out is that you don't have a clue what taxes fund and what Obama is proposing but you buy his rhetoric.
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What you did was change the topic to avoid addressing what I stated. I get it. But in the future, please know that I'm aware of what you're doing and it won't work.
 
Conservative said:
Why would you promote raising taxes on a group of people that wasn't evil? As I understand it, you are retired. Didn't you work for someone rich?
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I worked for Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Oregon a public corporation.
 
Tettsuo said:
And I think it's the best option we have available. You blather on like the rich are going to be in some danger if they're income tax is increased by a few percentages. That's plain ole stupid.

I have no reason to be ashamed because I told the truth and the other guy straight up lied. Unless of course you're willing to stand behind that lie. Are you?

What you did was change the topic to avoid addressing what I stated. I get it. But in the future, please know that I'm aware of what you're doing and it won't work.
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You told the truth which has nothing to do with this thread topic or what obama is arguing. The issue is FIT and the fact remains approximately 65 plus million income earning Americans pay ZERO FIT yet liberals like you want to raise the income taxes on those who pay 38% of the tax revenue now. Make sense to you?

When backed into a corner you claim changing the topic when the topic all along is FIT and raising taxes on the rich.
 
pbrauer said:
I worked for Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Oregon a public corporation.
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So you are retired living off a pension or 401k created by that public corporation that you now want to increase taxes on?
 
Conservative said:
You told the truth which has nothing to do with this thread topic or what obama is arguing. The issue is FIT and the fact remains approximately 65 plus million income earning Americans pay ZERO FIT yet liberals like you want to raise the income taxes on those who pay 38% of the tax revenue now. Make sense to you?

When backed into a corner you claim changing the topic when the topic all along is FIT and raising taxes on the rich.
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You're having a hard time aren't you? What exactly does raising taxes on the rich have to do with how the poor and middle class are taxed? That's just a diversion tossed in to detract from the fact that the rich are the best group to increase taxes on right now. They aren't hurting. They don't need a break. The poor need jobs and the middle class is shrink from a lack of jobs.

In a room full of starving people, you're defending the fat person with all of the food.
 
Tettsuo said:
And I think it's the best option we have available. You blather on like the rich are going to be in some danger if they're income tax is increased by a few percentages. That's plain ole stupid.
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Those taxes raised by turning on 'the rich' will never come close to meeting the deficits this administration is creating. It's a smoke scene designed to turn American against American and off his own incompetence.

The adults will just have to win the next election, because a great deal depends on it.
 
Tettsuo said:
You're having a hard time aren't you? What exactly does raising taxes on the rich have to do with how the poor and middle class are taxed? That's just a diversion tossed in to detract from the fact that the rich are the best group to increase taxes on right now. They aren't hurting. They don't need a break. The poor need jobs and the middle class is shrink from a lack of jobs.

In a room full of starving people, you're defending the fat person with all of the food.
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The poor and many of the middle class are paying ZERO Federal Income taxes and that is the point. If someone earns income in this country they should be paying something in FIT before raising the taxes on those paying the most. I am NOT in that top tax bracket but know the lack of fairness when I see it. Who are you to tell someone else what they need or don't need? Where is your outrage over how the trillions sent to the bureaucrats being wasted?
 
Conservative said:
So you are retired living off a pension or 401k created by that public corporation that you now want to increase taxes on?
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I earned the money, do you have a problem with that?

Oregon has one of the lowest corporate tax rates in the nation. Nike was born and lives here, Intel has major facilities here and are building more as of this moment.
 
Conservative said:
The poor and many of the middle class are paying ZERO Federal Income taxes and that is the point. If someone earns income in this country they should be paying something in FIT before raising the taxes on those paying the most. I am NOT in that top tax bracket but know the lack of fairness when I see it. Who are you to tell someone else what they need or don't need? Where is your outrage over how the trillions sent to the bureaucrats being wasted?
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Now, that is class warfare!!!!
They are not paying any FIT because of deductions, they have no TAXABLE INCOME!!!
 
pbrauer said:
I earned the money, do you have a problem with that?

Oregon has one of the lowest corporate tax rates in the nation. Nike was born and lives here, Intel has major facilities here and are building more as of this moment.
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Not at all, so did most of the rich people, why do you have a problem with that? why is it you are more concerned about how much money someone else pays than how that money is spent by politicians? Why would you want more going to the politicians that created the 14.6 trillion dollar debt?
 
pbrauer said:
Now, that is class warfare!!!!
They are not paying any FIT because of deductions, they have no TAXABLE INCOME!!!
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Try to comprehend this statement

If someone earns income in this country they should be paying something in FIT before raising the taxes on those paying the most.
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Conservative said:
Really, we are promoting class warfare? You don't see any Conservative calling for raising taxes on a particular group but instead saying that the tax rates should be fair for all, not one group paying 38% and another paying zero.

Overall taxes? That is the liberal spin now when they realize they are losing the argument. FIT is what funds most of the Federal Govt and I have listed the line items. 65 million working Americans don't fund those functions. Other taxes are mostly state and local taxes. Still waiting for your definition of fair including is ZERO FIT fair? Then tell me what happens to state tax revenue when the Federal Govt. raises taxes on one group of taxpayers? Think those people won't be looking for a lower tax state to move to?
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Rasing it would be fair. As I have noted for you before, the wealthy benefit most from government. So, it is fair that they pay more. And that is not class warfare anymore than a customer who gets more service pays for more service.
 
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