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White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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Conservative said:
What was great about the 2008 spending is that it didn't include TARP and the Obama Stimulus. That is where I would start and then deduct the winddown of the Iraq War from that budget and start cutting from there.
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start cutting from there
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cutting what?
 
pbrauer said:
Why don't the millionaires pay for the wars they profited from?
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Why do millionaires pay for all the entitlement programs that they never get benefits from? It balances out, NOT. The wars haven't cost nearly what the liberal social engineering has cost i.e Great Society
 
EarlzP said:
cutting what?
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I have posted many times in this forum my vision of the budget, you take the 2008 budget and start cutting from that budget. I took SS and Medicare off budget and got the rest of the budget down to 1.4 trillion dollars.
 
donc said:
I lived during them times as well, I’m here to tell you this bush recession puts the misery index into overdrive.:2wave:
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That is your opinion, mine differs but more importantly the policies of Reagan got us out of the recession and the high misery index, Obama policies have made things worse. Reagan won a landslide in 1984 losing only 1 state, Obama doesn't have a chance of duplicating that and his 38% JAR doesn't bode well for re-election. He doesn't deserve a second term and you know it.
 
Conservative said:
That is your opinion, mine differs but more importantly the policies of Reagan got us out of the recession and the high misery index, Obama policies have made things worse. Reagan won a landslide in 1984 losing only 1 state, Obama doesn't have a chance of duplicating that and his 38% JAR doesn't bode well for re-election. He doesn't deserve a second term and you know it.
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If JC was resurrected in put into the situation that President Obama was he would still be dealing with the same problems President Obama is dealing with a do nothing but make promises they have no intentions of keeping Koch Brothers run Tea Party controlled republican party
 
pbrauer said:
Why don't the millionaires pay for the wars they profited from?
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I am a millionaire and I have not profited a cent from wars. I also have had tons of tax dollars wasted on a war that you dems started in order to buy elections for your leaders-its called the war on poverty that was really a war to create dem dependent voters
 
EarlzP said:
If JC was resurrected in put into the situation that President Obama was he would still be dealing with the same problems President Obama is dealing with a do nothing but make promises they have no intentions of keeping Koch Brothers run Tea Party controlled republican party
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That is bull****, Obama resume showed zero experience in managing anything and he knows nothing about the private sector economy. He is a leftwing ideologue that believes in a massive central govt. He has had over 2 1/2 years to correct the problems and they are worse. The results show it and yet you still give him a pass. Wonder if you would have had the same patience with a Republican? By the way are you sending your dividend checks back?
 
TurtleDude said:
I am a millionaire and I have not profited a cent from wars. I also have had tons of tax dollars wasted on a war that you dems started in order to buy elections for your leaders-its called the war on poverty that was really a war to create dem dependent voters
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Great point, War on Poverty! How about it, Pb? Is that something that the rich have funded? You bet so where is the thank you?
 
Conservative said:
Great point, War on Poverty! How about it, Pb? Is that something that the rich have funded? You bet so where is the thank you?
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well in all fairness, rich dems-those who tend to be wealthy due to GOVERNMENT benefited a great deal from that war on poverty since they stuck their greedy beaks in all that money taken from those who earned it and sucked it up as it was being redistributed to mostly dem voters
 
Conservative said:
That is bull****, Obama resume showed zero experience in managing anything and he knows nothing about the private sector economy. He is a leftwing ideologue that believes in a massive central govt. He has had over 2 1/2 years to correct the problems and they are worse. The results show it and yet you still give him a pass. Wonder if you would have had the same patience with a Republican? By the way are you sending your dividend checks back?
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This is what I think and I base my conclusions on interacting with people like you and watching what is going on with the Koch Brothers ruled tea baggers and Republican Party

You don't want job creation period not until you have fulfilled your agenda which is to destroy the middle class. Unfortunately many Americans will fall into the trap and believe the BS republican promises coming: if only regulations were rolled back, if only taxes on businesses where rolled back, if only the unions would give up their collective bargaining rights, The republicans are the party of if only.

I want to join the if only party, if only in 2012 we remove the republicans and replace them with any other party like independants or even some libertarians we might have a chance of surviving economically, if we don't and we allow the republicans controll of either house or the presidency this country and it's middle class is up s--t's creek without a paddle

PS: I did not steal from the poor and elderly of our country by speculating on life essential products, did you?
 
EarlzP;1059857630]This is what I think and I base my conclusions on interacting with people like you and watching what is going on with the Koch Brothers ruled tea baggers and Republican Party
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How many "tea party" members have ever been arrested during their protests?

You don't want job creation period not until you have fulfilled your agenda which is to destroy the middle class. Unfortunately many Americans will fall into the trap and believe the BS republican promises coming: if only regulations were rolled back, if only taxes on businesses where rolled back, if only the unions would give up their collective bargaining rights, The republicans are the party of if only.
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You think liberals want job creation? My are you naive! If people had jobs they wouldn't need liberalism and the dependence that creates.

I want to join the if only party, if only in 2012 we remove the republicans and replace them with any other party like independants or even some libertarians we might have a chance of surviving economically, if we don't and we allow the republicans controll of either house or the presidency this country and it's middle class is up s--t's creek without a paddle
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You don't seem to get it, I don't care and most conservatives don't care how much someone else makes. Why do you? The only hope the liberals have today is the Republican Party.

PS: I did not steal from the poor and elderly of our country by speculating on life essential products, did you?
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By your own standards, sure you did. Are you sending your dividend checks back from that evil corporation you worked for?
 
Conservative said:
...the policies of Reagan got us out of the recession and the high misery index
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That is complete and utter bull**** and if you believe what you're saying, you're only sacrificing credibility to post that, you're not actually making any points. What brought the misery index down was reducing inflation which was accomplished by raising interest rates, which in turn brought on the recession, which was ended by reducing interest rates after inflation was reigned in.

... all of that was accomplished by Paul Volker's policies. Reagan had nothing to do with that other than to keep Volker after he became president.
 
Conservative said:
You think liberals want job creation? My are you naive! If people had jobs they wouldn't need liberalism and the dependence that creates.
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Funny how history disagrees with you ...

period start end chng President Party
Jan 1993 Jan 1997 7.3 5.3 -2.0 Clinton I Democrat
Jan 1985 Jan 1989 7.3 5.4 -1.9 Reagan II Republican
Jan 1961 Jan 1965 6.6 4.9 -1.7 JFK/Johnson Democrat
Jan 1965 Jan 1969 4.9 3.4 -1.5 Johnson Democrat
Jan 1949 Jan 1953 4.3 2.9 -1.4 Truman Democrat
Jan 1997 Jan 2001 5.3 4.2 -1.1 Clinton II Democrat
Jan 1981 Jan 1985 7.5 7.3 -0.2 Reagan I Republican
Jan 1977 Jan 1981 7.5 7.5 0.0 Carter Democrat
Jan 2005 Aug 2008 5.2 6.1 +0.9 Bush, GW II Republican
Jan 2001 Jan 2005 4.2 5.2 +1.0 Bush, GW I Republican
Jan 1953 Jan 1957 2.9 4.2 +1.3 Eisenhower I Republican
Jan 1969 Jan 1973 3.4 4.9 +1.5 Nixon Republican
Jan 1989 Jan 1993 5.4 7.3 +1.9 Bush, GHW Republican
Jan 1957 Jan 1961 4.2 6.6 +2.4 Eisenhower II Republican
Jan 1973 Jan 1977 4.9 7.5 +2.6 Nixon/Ford Republican

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EarlzP;1059857630]This is what I think and I base my conclusions on interacting with people like you and watching what is going on with the Koch Brothers ruled tea baggers and Republican Party
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Conservative; How many "tea party" members have ever been arrested during their protests?
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You only think you are slick what does how many tea party members have been arreseted have to do with any thing?

EarlzP;You don't want job creation period not until you have fulfilled your agenda which is to destroy the middle class. Unfortunately many Americans will fall into the trap and believe the BS republican promises coming: if only regulations were rolled back, if only taxes on businesses where rolled back, if only the unions would give up their collective bargaining rights, The republicans are the party of if only.
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Conservative; You think liberals want job creation? My are you naive! If people had jobs they wouldn't need liberalism and the dependence that creates
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You can keep spinning that BS sterotyping all of the unemployed as liberals looking for handouts, Let me ask you are there any republicans, or libertarians or independents out of work? Show me a source breaking down the unemployed by political party.

EarlzP;I want to join the if only party, if only in 2012 we remove the republicans and replace them with any other party like independants or even some libertarians we might have a chance of surviving economically, if we don't and we allow the republicans controll of either house or the presidency this country and it's middle class is up s--t's creek without a paddle
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YConservative;You don't seem to get it, I don't care and most conservatives don't care how much someone else makes. Why do you? The only hope the liberals have today is the Republican Party.
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No you don't get it I don't care how much money you made or if you wipe your conservative butt with 100.00 dollar bills. But I do care about how you made it and again you have not answered my question were you involved in low life speculation on life essential needs, did you profit by driving up the cost of life essential needs, did you make your money through profitting from predatory lending, I mean lets get real and drop the BS most HR guys don't exactly make a fortune in my experience they are next to useless dead weight adding nothing of value to any company.




PS: I did not steal from the poor and elderly of our country by speculating on life essential products, did you? By your own standards, sure you did. Are you sending your dividend checks back from that evil corporation you worked for?
 
claiming the rich stole stuff is just pathetic class warfare BS

Its more obvious that those who are lazy or don't work as hard as possible to pay their own way are far more likely to be stealing from others than the rich
 
Interesting how when conservatives declare that "class warfare" is in effect it is always somehow only in defense of the richest class. No concern for any other class. Middle class and poor people never get attacked financially. lol
 
poweRob said:
Interesting how when conservatives declare that "class warfare" is in effect it is always somehow only in defense of the richest class. No concern for any other class. Middle class and poor people never get attacked financially. lol
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that doesn't make much sense at all. I haven't heard politicians whining that the poor and middle class don't pay their fair share because they have far more votes than the rich though in reality, the rich are the only group paying MORE than their fair share of income taxes
 
TurtleDude said:
claiming the rich stole stuff is just pathetic class warfare BS
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No what is pathetic is allowing speculators to get rich by driving up the prices on life essential needs.

Its more obvious that those who are lazy or don't work as hard as possible to pay their own way are far more likely to be stealing from others than the rich
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Are you saying that out of work republicans, independents, libertarians, ect are more likely to steal then the rich are? Do you really believe the BS you are trying to sell. Do you have a book of talking points or do you come up with this BS all by yourself

PS: I don't care if you and Conservative light your butts with 100.00 dollar bills but did you steal from the poor and elderly of our country by speculating on life essential products,
 
TurtleDude said:
claiming the rich stole stuff is just pathetic class warfare BS

Its more obvious that those who are lazy or don't work as hard as possible to pay their own way are far more likely to be stealing from others than the rich
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I'll accept this argument only once we have a 100% inheritance tax. Until then, telling the child born into poverty that they just need to stop being lazy or work harder while they look at the children of billionaires who'll never have to work in their lives is just stupid. Either everyone needs to not be lazy / work hard, or that isn't a requirement to have wealth.
 
Conservative said:
Why do millionaires pay for all the entitlement programs that they never get benefits from? It balances out, NOT. The wars haven't cost nearly what the liberal social engineering has cost i.e Great Society
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You are the wrong the millionaires profit from all that social engineering....
 
EarlzP said:
This is what I think and I base my conclusions on interacting with people like you and watching what is going on with the Koch Brothers ruled tea baggers and Republican Party

You don't want job creation period not until you have fulfilled your agenda which is to destroy the middle class. Unfortunately many Americans will fall into the trap and believe the BS republican promises coming: if only regulations were rolled back, if only taxes on businesses where rolled back, if only the unions would give up their collective bargaining rights, The republicans are the party of if only.

I want to join the if only party, if only in 2012 we remove the republicans and replace them with any other party like independants or even some libertarians we might have a chance of surviving economically, if we don't and we allow the republicans controll of either house or the presidency this country and it's middle class is up s--t's creek without a paddle

PS: I did not steal from the poor and elderly of our country by speculating on life essential products, did you?
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You can expect a bunch of talking points and lame ass links in answer to your question.:2wave:
 
donc said:
You can expect a bunch of talking points and lame ass links in answer to your question.:2wave:
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over 2 1/2 years later after campaigning over 2 years for the job, we have worse unemployment, higher debt, and a rising misery index than Obama had when he took office. You can whine and complain about the rich until hell freezes over and nothing you or any other liberal claims is going to make anything better but instead will just grow the size of govt. and make that govt. stronger. Elite liberal greed trumps anything else and is what keeps the poor dependent thus the passion that the liberals have for taking more from one class and buying votes from the middle and poor.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Funny how history disagrees with you ...

period start end chng President Party
Jan 1993 Jan 1997 7.3 5.3 -2.0 Clinton I Democrat
Jan 1985 Jan 1989 7.3 5.4 -1.9 Reagan II Republican
Jan 1961 Jan 1965 6.6 4.9 -1.7 JFK/Johnson Democrat
Jan 1965 Jan 1969 4.9 3.4 -1.5 Johnson Democrat
Jan 1949 Jan 1953 4.3 2.9 -1.4 Truman Democrat
Jan 1997 Jan 2001 5.3 4.2 -1.1 Clinton II Democrat
Jan 1981 Jan 1985 7.5 7.3 -0.2 Reagan I Republican
Jan 1977 Jan 1981 7.5 7.5 0.0 Carter Democrat
Jan 2005 Aug 2008 5.2 6.1 +0.9 Bush, GW II Republican
Jan 2001 Jan 2005 4.2 5.2 +1.0 Bush, GW I Republican
Jan 1953 Jan 1957 2.9 4.2 +1.3 Eisenhower I Republican
Jan 1969 Jan 1973 3.4 4.9 +1.5 Nixon Republican
Jan 1989 Jan 1993 5.4 7.3 +1.9 Bush, GHW Republican
Jan 1957 Jan 1961 4.2 6.6 +2.4 Eisenhower II Republican
Jan 1973 Jan 1977 4.9 7.5 +2.6 Nixon/Ford Republican

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Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. 38-41% JAR and well over 55-60% disapproval ratings.

Keep looking backwards, keep telling half the story, keep ignoring civics and you will never see what is happening TODAY
 
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EarlzP said:
You only think you are slick what does how many tea party members have been arreseted have to do with any thing?

You can keep spinning that BS sterotyping all of the unemployed as liberals looking for handouts, Let me ask you are there any republicans, or libertarians or independents out of work? Show me a source breaking down the unemployed by political party.

No you don't get it I don't care how much money you made or if you wipe your conservative butt with 100.00 dollar bills. But I do care about how you made it and again you have not answered my question were you involved in low life speculation on life essential needs, did you profit by driving up the cost of life essential needs, did you make your money through profitting from predatory lending, I mean lets get real and drop the BS most HR guys don't exactly make a fortune in my experience they are next to useless dead weight adding nothing of value to any company.

PS: I did not steal from the poor and elderly of our country by speculating on life essential products, did you? By your own standards, sure you did. Are you sending your dividend checks back from that evil corporation you worked for?
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You apparently live quite comfortably today which obviously in your opinion makes you much smarter than others. You live on two pensions and your 401K which was generated by working at those evil corporations that you now claim are the problem. Millions of other Americans are just like you yet millions don't have the disdain you have, the question is why? Please don't tell me you give a damn about the poor or anyone else for if you did you would do something about it by truly helping those in need. I do that locally and always will. You on the other hand whine and complain about the problem on a national scale and support those that are making the problems worse. Name for me one liberal social program that cost what it was supposed to cost, did what it was supposed to do, solved a problem, and then went a way? True liberal compassion is not keeping people dependent but by actually creating results that mean those dependent are no long on those liberal social programs.
 
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