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White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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Catawba said:
Obama offered $3 dollars in spending cuts for every $1 dollar of tax increases and the GOP walked away from it.
However, there is still much pressure from both parties now to cut our most wasteful spending, our bloated military spending (that is almost as much as the rest of the world combined) and our optional wars, and to increase revenue by eliminating tax breaks for the wealthiest. The FICA cap will have to be raised to make SS solvent for the long term, and we will eventually have to go to a single payer system, as the rest of the industrialized world has done to get our health care costs under control. We see the people in the streets now demanding these things become priorities.
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So did Tip ONeil and the Congress under GHW Bush. Did we ever get those cuts? Obama says a lot of things and never does any of them. Why do you continue to buy what he says? Where are the documented cuts? Why does FICA have to be increased? How about making Congress take SS off budget and putting it back where it belongs and stop spending the money on everything other than SS?
 
Catawba said:
You don't consider a doctor (Earl's daughter) to be a professional?
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If they are cluttering up the streets of NYC I consider them a public nuisance
 
Jryan said:
Personally I think that the conservatives put out the idea to decrease government just because they want to save the super rich. I think that the super rich got scared because they were actually going to have to pay their fair share.
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This is the typical thinking of a college kid. The super rich are actually benefited by the current opiate of the masses-welfare socialism and its organs-the high progressive income tax and the death tax

The right supports entrepreneurs and independent and prosperous classes and all those who want to be prosperous
 
People need to think about their future instead of doing simply what they want to do. Getting a graduate degree is great but not if it doesn't lead to a future job opportunity. The difference between today and 35 years ago is attitude and accepting personal responsibility then and not now. 35 years ago I aspired to be one of those evil rich people that people are jealous of and achieved that goal by hard work and dedication.
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That's it, we have high unemployment because those durn kids don't want to work.
 
iliveonramen said:
That's it, we have high unemployment because those durn kids don't want to work.
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Majoring in art history, or Japanese Poetry isn't conducive to being quickly hired. Learning how to service HVAC systems or fixing Lexus Automobiles generally will get you hired at 30-40 bucks an hour in some places
 
iliveonramen said:
That's it, we have high unemployment because those durn kids don't want to work.
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To think that many don't is naive. When you don't have incentive to work and get paid to do little many take advantage of that. That is reality, Mr. Very Liberal.
 
Conservative said:
To think that many don't is naive. When you don't have incentive to work and get paid to do little many take advantage of that. That is reality, Mr. Very Liberal.
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Oh you are talking about trustfund babies;)
 
Conservative said:
To think that many don't is naive. When you don't have incentive to work and get paid to do little many take advantage of that. That is reality, Mr. Very Liberal.
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That sounds like a structural problem honestly. Which is why they are protesting, why exactly do people need to get an education to wait tables? What's the incentive? Why take on student loan debt for a low paying job?

There's a lot of large issues looming in the country and honestly the Tea Party and Conservatives seem to think ignoring them is the solution. As of right now, our economy and job markets resemble 1930 more than they do 1975. Call me naive but I think 1930's solutions are needed instead of 1980 Reaganomics.
 
Conservative said:
To think that many don't is naive. When you don't have incentive to work and get paid to do little many take advantage of that. That is reality, Mr. Very Liberal.
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Ok so what do you suggest we do differently to provide incentive for people that are out of work?
 
I heard something interesting on the radio (or an interesting idea which I have always thought of as a good one). We shouldn't just say "Raise taxes on the rich. (Period)" or "Cut government spending. (Period)" rather it should be a mix of the two. Sounds familiar, oh, Obama's 3:1 deal.
 
Catawba said:
Obama offered $3 dollars in spending cuts for every $1 dollar of tax increases and the GOP walked away from it.
However, there is still much pressure from both parties now to cut our most wasteful spending, our bloated military spending (that is almost as much as the rest of the world combined) and our optional wars, and to increase revenue by eliminating tax breaks for the wealthiest. The FICA cap will have to be raised to make SS solvent for the long term, and we will eventually have to go to a single payer system, as the rest of the industrialized world has done to get our health care costs under control. We see the people in the streets now demanding these things become priorities.
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Obama's plan called for a trillion dollars in spending over the next decade. When the United States is bringing in $2 trillion a year but spending $4 trillion, this 'budget cut' is nowhere adequate to get the country back into healthy financial shape. It might be good politics to make these sorts of claims but they are not doing the country any good. Sharp cuts must be made or reality will make them.

When the Unted States is $15 trillion in debt, hoow can they then deal with a genuine crisis? Bank of England Head: World Facing Worst Economic Crisis Ever
 
Conservative said:
You mean the recession that Obama said that he would end and fix. Now we are facing a double dip and you still blame Bush. Here is something to think about

Hereare snippets from a book of "Impressions & Observations" ofSecretService personnel assigned to guard U.S. Presidents/First Ladies, and Vice
Presidents.

Notice the difference according to the Secret Service? Your support for Obama is misguided. He is a true community agitator

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What's the name of that book? I'd like to check that out for myself because my hunch is that you're simply pasing along more bull**** you got in yet another bull**** email.
 
winston53660 said:
Oh you are talking about trustfund babies;)
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I wasn't a trust fund baby and unlike you I have no jealousy and resentment for those who are. How do they hurt you or your family? You are the one obsessed with what someone else makes. You need to get over that jealousy you have for anyone who has more than you regardless of where it came from. That entitlement mentality is a sickness.
 
iliveonramen said:
That sounds like a structural problem honestly. Which is why they are protesting, why exactly do people need to get an education to wait tables? What's the incentive? Why take on student loan debt for a low paying job?

There's a lot of large issues looming in the country and honestly the Tea Party and Conservatives seem to think ignoring them is the solution. As of right now, our economy and job markets resemble 1930 more than they do 1975. Call me naive but I think 1930's solutions are needed instead of 1980 Reaganomics.
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Protesting what? What is the alternative? Is it your desire to have a large central govt. where you send in your money in the form of taxes and have them send back to you what they deem that you need?

The incentive in waiting tables is to get your foot into the door, establish a work record, and move on to something better, if that is your goal. Beats the hell out of sitting at home getting an unemployment check for two years.

You know there is such hatred and ignorance about the T.E.A. Party. Please tell me how many have been arrested for disorderly disruptive actions? For someone your age to attack Reaganomics tells me a lot about you. Never in the history of this country did so many raise themselves up and prosper as they did under Reagan. Why don't you ask yourself why liberals are so anti Reagan? Reagan made people proud of themselves and their efforts thus they didn't need liberalism. No wonder liberals hate Reagan.
 
EarlzP said:
Ok so what do you suggest we do differently to provide incentive for people that are out of work?
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I suggest six months worth of benefits and force people out to work, maybe not THE job but A job. The entitlement mentality today is part of the problem.
 
Jryan said:
I heard something interesting on the radio (or an interesting idea which I have always thought of as a good one). We shouldn't just say "Raise taxes on the rich. (Period)" or "Cut government spending. (Period)" rather it should be a mix of the two. Sounds familiar, oh, Obama's 3:1 deal.
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You want so badly to believe the Obama rhetoric, where are the specifics of that so called proposal? Just like where is the Job's Bill that Obama is touting? It hasn't even been introduced to the Congress. What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty?
 
Never in the history of this country did so many raise themselves up and prosper as they did under Reagan. Why don't you ask yourself why liberals are so anti Reagan? Reagan made people proud of themselves and their efforts thus they didn't need liberalism. No wonder liberals hate Reagan.
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Reagen was controlled by corporations, that is why. He also was the one who lowered the taxes on the rich.
 
Jryan said:
Reagen was controlled by corporations, that is why. He also was the one who lowered the taxes on the rich.
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How do you know what Reagan did, you weren't around. Do you believe he would be as popular today if he did what liberals claim he did? Your textbooks are garbage as apparently is the education you are receiving.

By the way it is Reagan NOT Reagen.
 
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Grant said:
People who are out of work need incentive?
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Based on what I've experienced yes.

Most people who remain unemployed, are the least employable, for a variety of reasons.
Second, unemployment payments have been cited in a number of potential job offers we have made, as being preferred at that time to taking a job they arent' jazz'd about.
Some people are intentionally unemployed. Who really wants to work anyway? Sure a percentage of people love their job, but once you get over the stigma of not working...the lack of "going to work every day" in my experience, is a sweet delight.

And can you blame them? Pay me not to work rather than take a hard job....that's not an easy choice for everyone.
 
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Conservative said:
You mean the recession that Obama said that he would end and fix. Now we are facing a double dip and you still blame Bush.
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You've been claiming that Obama is driving us into a double dip recession for at least a year now ... Looks like your hopes and prayers are not being answered.

By the way ... 400 thousand jobs added last month ...

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12000000?output_view=net_1mth

... that's your idea of heading towards a double dip? Good news for America remains bad news for you.
 
Conservative said:
How do you know what Reagan did, you weren't around. Do you believe he would be as popular today if he did what liberals claim he did? Your textbooks are garbage as apparently is the education you are receiving.

By the way it is Reagan NOT Reagen.
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Back to insults I see.

But seeing as how I want to keep this conversation going:
The top tax rate was lowered from 50% to 28% while the bottom rate was raised from 11% to 15%. Many lower level tax brackets were consolidated, and the upper income level of the bottom rate (married filing jointly) was increased from $5,720/year to $29,750/year. This package ultimately consolidated tax brackets from fifteen levels of income to four levels of income.[1] This would be the only time in the history of the U.S. income tax (which dates back to the passage of the Revenue Act of 1862) that the top rate was reduced and the bottom rate increased concomitantly. In addition, capital gains faced the same tax rate as ordinary income.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Reform_Act_of_1986

That paragraph disgust me.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
You've been claiming that Obama is driving us into a double dip recession for at least a year now ... Looks like your hopes and prayers are not being answered.

By the way ... 400 thousand jobs added last month ...

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

... that's your idea of heading towards a double dip? Good news for America remains bad news for you.
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Yep, that is why his approval rating is so low and the unemployment rate is so high. I know how much he appreciates having people like you supporting his lies and distortions. Keep buying the rhetoric. If 400,000 jobs were created why didn't the unemployment rate drop?
 
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