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White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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Yes, lets take money from those who have none because that makes sense.

Read the article, these are income earners,not people without anything. Destroys your argument, doesn't it?
 
Yes, lets take money from those who have none because that makes sense.

1) to claim they have none is a specious lie

2) you seem not to understand that taxes have at least two purposes

a) the first is to raise revenue-taxing the poor might not raise much (the Tax cuts however "cost" more for the middle and lower class than the top one percent)

b) the second is to provide feedback and incentives or dis-incentives. Right now too many people do not receive the proper feedback as to the cost of government. Thus, they demand more and more government because they don't receive any real increases in taxes needed to pay for it
 
Just want to say, I have classes early in the AM tomorrow so I got to go to bed. I will respond though Turtle :). Don't want you to think I ran away.
 
Just want to say, I have classes early in the AM tomorrow so I got to go to bed. I will respond though Turtle :). Don't want you to think I ran away.

ah another student. okie dokie. SYL
 
Noticed that you have continued to ignore my question so let's try again, how has Wall Street speculators affected my SS and Medicare payments? You certainly are outraged over what you perceive as private sector speculators but apparently none of the govt. waste, fraud, abuse, and creation of the dependent class.

Is that a trick question?I don't receive your SS or Medicare payments you do. So lets move on to why the millionaires should pay more in taxes.Reason #1 if they stole money though speculation, hedge funds, derivatives, predatory lending they should be audited and accessed monetary damages for the scams they knowingly participated in. The scams that robbed the middle class, poor and elderly.
 
Is that a trick question?I don't receive your SS or Medicare payments you do. So lets move on to why the millionaires should pay more in taxes.Reason #1 if they stole money though speculation, hedge funds, derivatives, predatory lending they should be audited and accessed monetary damages for the scams they knowingly participated in. The scams that robbed the middle class, poor and elderly.

Idiotic stereotyping-applying your warped opinion of what a few of the rich did to all of them

this sort of idiocy only poisons our country. Most millionaires did nothing wrong (and those you damn did nothing wrong either-you just hate investments) and your pathetic attacks on all the rich is disgusting
 
Idiotic stereotyping-applying your warped opinion of what a few of the rich did to all of them

this sort of idiocy only poisons our country. Most millionaires did nothing wrong (and those you damn did nothing wrong either-you just hate investments) and your pathetic attacks on all the rich is disgusting

I don't hate any thing or anyone hatred only empowers those to whom it is directed at, I like action better, like the action that is now growing with the occupy Wall Street demonstrations those people under stand what happened and who is responsible for it. I did not damn anyone those who act like parasites and leeches stealing money and jobs from the middle class, poor and elderly knew what they were doing and freely participated and should be forced to return the money they stole and pay for the jobs that were lost
 
the majority is often wrong and often makes up the lowest common denominator. Tax cuts to those who pay more than their share of the income is not a gift. Paying for less than you use is a gift. The rich, therefore aren't getting any gifts

There isn't anyone that isn't blinded by greed that believes that the rich are paying for more than they receive in return, but if it makes you feel like you have some noble cause, go for it!

Fortunately, the majority rules in this country, it is the final equalizer when things get too far out of control. That was the case following the Great Depression and it appears to be what is happening now following the Great Recession. The majority are fulfilling their civic duty to stand up against failed policy like the 30 years of trickle down economics that has lowered the standard of living for the middle class, pushing many into poverty.
 
There isn't anyone that isn't blinded by greed that believes that the rich are paying for more than they receive in return, but if it makes you feel like you have some noble cause, go for it!

To claim people that want free things are not blinded by greed is dishonest you know.

To claim that people wanting to keep more of what they earn and have what they pay in taxes go towards representing them is greedy is again dishonest.

To claim the majority of the rich get more in return than they pay in is again dishonest.

All this just says you're a lier.
 
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To claim people that want free things are not blinded by greed is dishonest you know.

To claim that people wanting to keep more of what they earn and have what they pay in taxes go towards representing them is greedy is again dishonest.

To claim the majority of the rich get more in return than they pay in is again dishonest.

All this just says you're a lier.

To claim that those who have money to spare and are fighting vigorously to maintain a tax rate lower than it's ever been in 50 years during the midst of an economic crisis are not greedy is dishonest.

To claim that people who cite that the 50 percent(includes the retired, children, teenagers, those making under 12 thousand a year, and the unemployed) who don't currently pay taxes should "put some in skin in the game" are the ones being taken advantage of is dishonest.

To claim that the tax contribution made by bleeding the poor dry is more fruitful than a slight increase in the top two percent's taxes is dishonest.

All this says you can't spell liar.
 
To claim that those who have money to spare and are fighting vigorously to maintain a tax rate lower than it's ever been in 50 years during the midst of an economic crisis are not greedy is dishonest.

To claim that the rates affect people in the same way that they did fifty years ago is dishonest. To claim that taxes from those times caused great growth in the country is dishonest. To say anyone has a responsibility to pay more taxes because of hard times is just retarded.

To claim that people who cite that the 50 percent(includes the retired, children, teenagers, those making under 12 thousand a year, and the unemployed) who don't currently pay taxes should "put some in skin in the game" are the ones being taken advantage of is dishonest.

To claim I owe them anything because of their situations is dishonest.

To claim that the tax contribution made by bleeding the poor dry is more fruitful than a slight increase in the top two percent's taxes is dishonest.

To claim anyone wants to bleed anybody dry that is for low taxation is dishonest.

To claim that the rich don't already pay more than their fair share is dishonest.

All this says you can't spell liar.

lol..
 
1) to claim they have none is a specious lie

So you think the bottom 50% have money?

2) you seem not to understand that taxes have at least two purposes

a) the first is to raise revenue-taxing the poor might not raise much (the Tax cuts however "cost" more for the middle and lower class than the top one percent)

b) the second is to provide feedback and incentives or dis-incentives. Right now too many people do not receive the proper feedback as to the cost of government. Thus, they demand more and more government because they don't receive any real increases in taxes needed to pay for it

This is wrong, the rich use more of the services they pay for than anyone else. Who do you think drives the roads to work? Their employees. Who do you think breathes that clean air that they cling to so tightly? Their employees. Who do you think uses food stamps to survive? Their employees. So would it be enslaving the bottom 50% to make them pay for these things or is it fair for the top 1% to pay for their employees to get to work? After all, isn't a salary just a living expense account?

Wow, that came out a lot better than I thought it would. Have a nice day, off to classes :).
 
Is that what you learned growing up that your income should be taken from you so that it can be spent elsewhere vs you spending more of your own money in your own community? Where was that ever in the Founders vision of this country? For some reason you and other liberals make claims that you know nothing about. You have no idea how much I give to charity, how much I give to the church, how much I pay in local and state taxes yet you have no problem claiming that I should pay more. I see no reason other than govt. greed for me to pay higher taxes to the govt. that created a 14.6 trillion dollar debt. Explain it to me.

Stop using the "founders vision". Take a critical thinking class. What they said now obviously does not apply today. Think about that.

Also, it does not help your case gloating that you make more than everyone else on this forum. If you look at my job description it says "Student", so obviously I make less than everyone on this forum.
 
Drastic spending cuts need to take place, not taxing the rich more so that more of their money can be sucked into a government that wastes billions of dollars and passes spending bills that do no good. The answer is not to tax and spend, the answer is to spend less and reform the tax code to prevent tax loopholes from being abused.
 
This is wrong, the rich use more of the services they pay for than anyone else. Who do you think drives the roads to work? Their employees. Who do you think breathes that clean air that they cling to so tightly? Their employees. Who do you think uses food stamps to survive? Their employees. So would it be enslaving the bottom 50% to make them pay for these things or is it fair for the top 1% to pay for their employees to get to work? After all, isn't a salary just a living expense account?
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So it is the wicked rich because they have employees? The employee shares no responsibilities in using of roads, services, and air in your way of thinking. All workes are on food stamps?
Guess you as a student should blame the school you attend. They charge you tuition. You going to class use books, air, fuel, food. Its the rich teachers/admins fault. Tax them more.

Using your logic, the only people not a fault are non workers. It is evident by your post your lack of life experiences. and now you think employers should pay there employees to get to work. Your thoughts make we wonder about the future of this country.
 
Using your logic, the only people not a fault are non workers. It is evident by your post your lack of life experiences. and now you think employers should pay there employees to get to work. Your thoughts make we wonder about the future of this country.

Sense we are bringing professions into this, how does a "Professor" type so poorly. Yes, by paying someone a salary you ARE paying for their transportation, food, car, house, etc etc. So why then should they not pay for the roads they drive on? My logic is sound, yours on the other hand. Also, the workers have to live to sustain the business, they have to use the roads to sustain the business, the CEO does not need either to sustain the business. A CEO is an easily fill-able position. I ask you this, when Steve Jobs retired, did they have his position filled before he left the building on his final day? I'm thinking yes. Think of it in military terms, if you get shot, the person behind you takes your position. That also works the same with the people that work their I guess but they don't have the income (provided by said business) to pave roads, teach students, etc etc. The only people have have this money collectively is the rich. Also, lets remind people here I'm talking about taxing income NOT wealth. (The rich collectively don't have the problem to bail out our country; however, they do have the income to do so.)
 
Nothing wrong with closing loopholes but to penalize one class over another is class warfare.
Well he called on the rich to "pay their fair share" and that is what Obama is doing but it seems that Obama is being called a class warrior and what not... So it must be if your a democrat and you do this your "igniting class warfare" but if your a republican and you do this then there is "nothing wrong"...

That serves no purpose and that isn't what Reagan did.
Well tax rates for the rich were higher than the medium and lower classes...

All were treated the same way
Uhhhh noo... They were not...
1982 16% 22% 49% 50% 50%
1984 14% 18% 42% 45% 50%
1986 14% 18% 38% 45% 50%
1988 15% 15% 28% 28% 28%
and what bothers me is we have a lot of young people here brainwashed against what Reagan actually did.
Oh yes... "Brainwashed"... :shock:
I would say you are the one that is "brainwashed"...

There is a reason his popularity is in the top 10 of all Presidents.
Its because he gives you conservatives a hard on im guessing...

Too bad many here didn't live during his term and see what he inherited.
Well look where the great "Reaganomics" have gotten us!!! He did a fine job right :lamo
 
We need to haul the troops out of Iraq/Afghanistan,any other stan that were in, cose out all of our Unnecessary military bases down, wherever they may be get our country in order for a few decades. Sometimes, imo, a isolationism is a good thing.:2wave:
 
Well he called on the rich to "pay their fair share" and that is what Obama is doing but it seems that Obama is being called a class warrior and what not... So it must be if your a democrat and you do this your "igniting class warfare" but if your a republican and you do this then there is "nothing wrong"...


Well tax rates for the rich were higher than the medium and lower classes...


Uhhhh noo... They were not...
1982 16% 22% 49% 50% 50%
1984 14% 18% 42% 45% 50%
1986 14% 18% 38% 45% 50%
1988 15% 15% 28% 28% 28%

Oh yes... "Brainwashed"... :shock:
I would say you are the one that is "brainwashed"...


Its because he gives you conservatives a hard on im guessing...


Well look where the great "Reaganomics" have gotten us!!! He did a fine job right :lamo


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This graph is pretty well self explanatory.:2wave:
 
If the wealthy don't want to pay more in taxes, then why not take a smaller paycheck from their companies?
 
Out of .1% T-bills and into Needed, real-infrastructure Jobs. (if correctly spent/executed)

OCTOBER 5, 2011, 1:58 P.M. ET
Senate Democrats Propose 5% Surtax on Millionaires
By COREY BOLES
Senate Democrats Propose 5% Surtax on Millionaires - WSJ.com

WASHINGTON—Senate Democrats proposed a 5% surtax on people earning more than $1 million a year to pay for the $447 billion cost of President Barack Obama's job-creation bill, in a move designed to shore up Democratic support for the measure.

The proposal would replace the range of tax deductions for wealthy people, oil companies and other businesses that the president had proposed to end to offset the cost of the job-creation initiatives in his plan.
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Drastic spending cuts need to take place, not taxing the rich more so that more of their money can be sucked into a government that wastes billions of dollars and passes spending bills that do no good. The answer is not to tax and spend, the answer is to spend less and reform the tax code to prevent tax loopholes from being abused.

It took both taxing too little and spending too much to create our debt, it is going to take the opposite to pay it down. One or the other isn't going to be sufficient.
 
Stop using the "founders vision". Take a critical thinking class. What they said now obviously does not apply today. Think about that.

Also, it does not help your case gloating that you make more than everyone else on this forum. If you look at my job description it says "Student", so obviously I make less than everyone on this forum.

Critical thinking? How about logic and common sense? What does a bureaucrat in D.C. know about a local problem in your area that you cannot take care of yourself. That is the point, people making a lot of money give to charities and their churches that benefit the local community. Sending money to D.C. is wasted on social engineering. When are you going to start thinking instead of feeling?
 
Well he called on the rich to "pay their fair share" and that is what Obama is doing but it seems that Obama is being called a class warrior and what not... So it must be if your a democrat and you do this your "igniting class warfare" but if your a republican and you do this then there is "nothing wrong"...


Well tax rates for the rich were higher than the medium and lower classes...


Uhhhh noo... They were not...
1982 16% 22% 49% 50% 50%
1984 14% 18% 42% 45% 50%
1986 14% 18% 38% 45% 50%
1988 15% 15% 28% 28% 28%

Oh yes... "Brainwashed"... :shock:
I would say you are the one that is "brainwashed"...


Its because he gives you conservatives a hard on im guessing...


Well look where the great "Reaganomics" have gotten us!!! He did a fine job right :lamo

Love the liberal and in your case socialist talking points. Define FAIR SHARE by putting a number on it? How much should I pay in Federal, State, and Local Taxes? I have seen no evidence that you have a clue. Love kids of today who are experts on every issue yet have never held a real job.
 
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