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White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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whysoserious said:
Honest question: did he really explicitly say that?

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And the only reason you believe what that Secret Service agent said is because it fits your view of the world. If it was the other way around you'd say he was an un-American dick and you'd move along.
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Hope and change, hope and change. How is that working out for you and how do you think the 25 PLUS million unemployed and under employed Americans think he is doing. YES, that is what Obama said and ran on. Where were you during the campaign?

If you want to see what the Secret Service agent said then get the book
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Uh oh is this Reagan and Obama agreeing!
Reagan agrees to close the tax holes for billion airs and calls on them "to pay their fair share"! Uh oh was Reagan igniting class warfare!?!?
Oh my!!! :shock:

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Nothing wrong with closing loopholes but to penalize one class over another is class warfare. That serves no purpose and that isn't what Reagan did. All were treated the same way and what bothers me is we have a lot of young people here brainwashed against what Reagan actually did. There is a reason his popularity is in the top 10 of all Presidents. Too bad many here didn't live during his term and see what he inherited.
 
Conservative said:
Hope and change, hope and change. How is that working out for you and how do you think the 25 PLUS million unemployed and under employed Americans think he is doing. YES, that is what Obama said and ran on. Where were you during the campaign?
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So, no? I thought as much.

Conservative said:
If you want to see what the Secret Service agent said then get the book
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Why would I want to see that book. Plenty of bad things were written about Bush by people who worked with him, but oddly enough I do not see you quoting them.
 
iliveonramen said:
Don't make assumptions about me. Am I relatively young? Yes. Do I hold a private sector job? Yes, and it's very relevant to the subject matter we're discussing.
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So in your private sector job what happens to your take home pay when FIT is raised? What do you do when you get to keep more of what you earn and do you believe you keeping more of what you earn is an expense to the govt? If you keeping more of what you earn isn't an expense to the govt. then why is someone else keeping more of what they earn an expense to the govt.like many liberals want people to believe as does Obama?
 
Closing loopholes is something entirely different than the so called "Warren Buffet" rule. Obama wants to raise the taxes by percentages, not by just making sure the wealthy pay what they already owe.


Answer this question, if you think we should extort more money from the wealthy in this country...

Do you think that those wealthy americans are going to resign themselves to making less money as a result of increased taxes, IE, raising their business expense? Do you think those people are going to sit there and say to themselves "Awe hell, they went and raised our taxes, guess I won't be able to bring home 1.8 mil this year, I'll just have to settle for 1.35."?
 
whysoserious said:
So, no? I thought as much.



Why would I want to see that book. Plenty of bad things were written about Bush by people who worked with him, but oddly enough I do not see you quoting them.
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As was stated, it does appear that you ignored the Obama campaign rhetoric and did little research on his promises. yes, he claimed he had the answers. His Administration claimed that passing the stimulus would cap unemployment at 8% and that he would halve the deficit by the end of his first term

Oddly enough Bush seems to have a higher rating today than Obama as more and more people realize they were sold a bunch of lies during the campaign. There is a reason obama's approval rating is at record lows as he can no longer blame Bush for the results he is generating. Bush looks better each and every day.
 
KevinKohler said:
Closing loopholes is something entirely different than the so called "Warren Buffet" rule. Obama wants to raise the taxes by percentages, not by just making sure the wealthy pay what they already owe.


Answer this question, if you think we should extort more money from the wealthy in this country...

Do you think that those wealthy americans are going to resign themselves to making less money as a result of increased taxes, IE, raising their business expense? Do you think those people are going to sit there and say to themselves "Awe hell, they went and raised our taxes, guess I won't be able to bring home 1.8 mil this year, I'll just have to settle for 1.35."?
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Amazing how little some know about business, how they operate, the risk they take, and the return on their investment. Really is a shame that far too many are getting such a poor education. Many are book smart and street stupid yet the books they believe are full of bs.
 
Conservative said:
You mean the recession that Obama said that he would end and fix. Now we are facing a double dip and you still blame Bush. Here is something to think about



Notice the difference according to the Secret Service? Your support for Obama is misguided. He is a true community agitator
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I notice you didn't give a link to the Right Wing dickhead that wrote that garbage, but I expect that from you. One day you say you like President Obama and his family and another you post this garbage. Sick. I didn't like Bush, but I would never post sicko stuff like this. Un****ing believable.
 
Conservative said:
As was stated, it does appear that you ignored the Obama campaign rhetoric and did little research on his promises. yes, he claimed he had the answers. His Administration claimed that passing the stimulus would cap unemployment at 8% and that he would halve the deficit by the end of his first term
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No he did not. You are just making a bunch of **** up. Yes, he had a campaign slogan of change and whatnot, but that does not mean that you can go around saying he promised things under that giant umbrella of change. He never once promised he would cap unemployment at 8%. As far as the deficit, and I believe he meant the fiscal deficit, not the national deficit. And I think you and I can both agree that steps are being taken in that direction. Of course, this is all way off topic, since topic is basically that you are just making **** up. Obama never promised he would end the recession, you apparently thought he did.

Conservative said:
Oddly enough Bush seems to have a higher rating today than Obama as more and more people realize they were sold a bunch of lies during the campaign. There is a reason obama's approval rating is at record lows as he can no longer blame Bush for the results he is generating. Bush looks better each and every day.
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Bush has a higher rating today for doing what? What are people approving of? He does not do anything. You are just a rhetoric machine, my friend.
 
Conservative said:
And I am going to continue to focus on the 14.6 TRILLION dollar budget debt created by a govt. who has higher poverty today in spite of all the spending on the Great Society War on Poverty. You need to go down to Wall Street and protest with the other misinformed individuals there. You don't have a clue.

Still waiting for how Wall Street affects my SS and Medicare. Keep dodging and running.
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Clue for YOU

The price of crude oil today is not made according to any traditional relation of supply to demand. It’s controlled by an elaborate financial market system as well as by the four major Anglo-American oil companies. As much as 60% of today’s crude oil price is pure speculation driven by large trader banks and hedge funds. It has nothing to do with the convenient myths of Peak Oil. It has to do with control of oil and its price. How?
First, the role of the international oil exchanges in London and New York is crucial to the game. Nymex in New York and the ICE Futures in London today control global benchmark oil prices which in turn set most of the freely traded oil cargo. They do so via oil futures contracts on two grades of crude oil―West Texas Intermediate and North Sea Brent.

Are you reading Wall Street Speculators drive up the price of oil= millionaires who have no value to society, leeches who feed off the middle class,poor and elderly, This is just one example of how the rich steal from the middle class and poor
 
Conservative said:
As is your total lack of data and lack of understanding of how business and the private sector work. You appear to be a big govt. liberal who has been brainwashed by an ideology that has failed everywhere in the world yet liberal arrogance makes you believe that this group of liberals can do better than the last group. Same results, different players.
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Here's a video you might enjoy:


 
EarlzP said:
Clue for YOU

The price of crude oil today is not made according to any traditional relation of supply to demand. It’s controlled by an elaborate financial market system as well as by the four major Anglo-American oil companies. As much as 60% of today’s crude oil price is pure speculation driven by large trader banks and hedge funds. It has nothing to do with the convenient myths of Peak Oil. It has to do with control of oil and its price. How?
First, the role of the international oil exchanges in London and New York is crucial to the game. Nymex in New York and the ICE Futures in London today control global benchmark oil prices which in turn set most of the freely traded oil cargo. They do so via oil futures contracts on two grades of crude oil―West Texas Intermediate and North Sea Brent.

Are you reading Wall Street Speculators drive up the price of oil= millionaires who have no value to society, leeches who feed off the middle class,poor and elderly, This is just one example of how the rich steal from the middle class and poor
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And they are able to do so with the blessings and BACKING of the very entity that many on here want to grant MORE power to in order to prevent such things from happening.
 
whysoserious;1059847661]No he did not. You are just making a bunch of **** up. Yes, he had a campaign slogan of change and whatnot, but that does not mean that you can go around saying he promised things under that giant umbrella of change. He never once promised he would cap unemployment at 8%. As far as the deficit, and I believe he meant the fiscal deficit, not the national deficit. And I think you and I can both agree that steps are being taken in that direction. Of course, this is all way off topic, since topic is basically that you are just making **** up. Obama never promised he would end the recession, you apparently thought he did.
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That is a downright lie. You want so badly to believe what Obama tells you that you ignore actual information from that campaign and the first years of his Administration. Presidential Administration economic advisors

As the Times reported, in a January 9 report, Romer and Bernstein had predicted "that with the stimulus spending, the U.S. unemployment rate this year would not exceed 8%. It now stands at 9.4%."
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Bush has a higher rating today for doing what? What are people approving of? He does not do anything. You are just a rhetoric machine, my friend.
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Majority Rates Obama ‘Same’ as or ‘Worse’ Than George W. Bush - ABC News
 
pbrauer said:
I notice you didn't give a link to the Right Wing dickhead that wrote that garbage, but I expect that from you. One day you say you like President Obama and his family and another you post this garbage. Sick. I didn't like Bush, but I would never post sicko stuff like this. Un****ing believable.
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Noticed that you still support the failed Obama administration and are stuck on blaming Bush almost 3 years later. "Your" President is an absolute disaster as his resume showed he would be. You paid no attention to the resume and voted for him anyway. You got what you deserved, the rest of us don't
 
EarlzP said:
Clue for YOU

The price of crude oil today is not made according to any traditional relation of supply to demand. It’s controlled by an elaborate financial market system as well as by the four major Anglo-American oil companies. As much as 60% of today’s crude oil price is pure speculation driven by large trader banks and hedge funds. It has nothing to do with the convenient myths of Peak Oil. It has to do with control of oil and its price. How?
First, the role of the international oil exchanges in London and New York is crucial to the game. Nymex in New York and the ICE Futures in London today control global benchmark oil prices which in turn set most of the freely traded oil cargo. They do so via oil futures contracts on two grades of crude oil―West Texas Intermediate and North Sea Brent.

Are you reading Wall Street Speculators drive up the price of oil= millionaires who have no value to society, leeches who feed off the middle class,poor and elderly, This is just one example of how the rich steal from the middle class and poor
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Noticed that you have continued to ignore my question so let's try again, how has Wall Street speculators affected my SS and Medicare payments? You certainly are outraged over what you perceive as private sector speculators but apparently none of the govt. waste, fraud, abuse, and creation of the dependent class.
 
Conservative said:
So in your private sector job what happens to your take home pay when FIT is raised? What do you do when you get to keep more of what you earn and do you believe you keeping more of what you earn is an expense to the govt? If you keeping more of what you earn isn't an expense to the govt. then why is someone else keeping more of what they earn an expense to the govt.like many liberals want people to believe as does Obama?
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My consumption wouldn't really change. If anything the addtional taxes would mean less savings.

I would have no problem with additional taxes unless it became burdensome and as long as spending wasn't out of whack. I don't believe we have a massive spending problem which is the root of where you and I disagree.
 
Conservative said:
That is a downright lie. You want so badly to believe what Obama tells you that you ignore actual information from that campaign and the first years of his Administration. Presidential Administration economic advisors
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You are funny. Oh man. Hey, can you read that quote you posted? Here, I will do it for you:

Romer and Bernstein had predicted "that with the stimulus spending, the U.S. unemployment rate this year would not exceed 8%. It now stands at 9.4%."
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Oh ****, are Romer and Bernstein nicknames for Obama? I didn't know! And when did the word "predicted" become a synonym for "promised"? Holy ****! Where have I been!!! Not to mention:

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Will didn't use the word "promise" as Cantor did when we checked the same claim a year ago, but the meaning is the same, that Obama was offering some sort of guarantee the stimulus would keep the unemployment rate below 8 percent. The administration never characterized it that way and included plenty of disclaimers saying the predictions had "significant margins of error" and a higher degree of uncertainty due to a recession that is "unusual both in its fundamental causes and its severity." In short, it was an economic projection with warnings of a high margin for error, not a take-it-to-the-bank pledge of an upper limit on unemployment.

So we find Will's claim Barely True.
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So, assuming you cannot read, and I think you have made that case yourself so far, let me explain further. Obama never said this himself, however, his administration did say they believed it would cap at 8%, but they also allowed for a high margin of error. If you still do not get it, then they said this, "We think it will cap at 8%, that is what our numbers tell us, but there is room for a lot of error". Get it?

Conservative said:
Majority Rates Obama ‘Same’ as or ‘Worse’ Than George W. Bush - ABC News
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Bush does not run anything. Of course his approval rating has gone up. Need I remind you of this:

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When Bush left office he was right at or under 30% approval rating. Obama began at a 60% approval rating and has dipped a to under 50%, but has actually steadily increased over this year. Any other bull**** you want to spread around or are we done here? Yeah, links and good sources are a good thing to bring to an argument (by the way).
 
iliveonramen said:
My consumption wouldn't really change. If anything the addtional taxes would mean less savings.

I would have no problem with additional taxes unless it became burdensome and as long as spending wasn't out of whack. I don't believe we have a massive spending problem which is the root of where you and I disagree.
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Really? We don't have a massive spending problem? What is your vision as the role of the Federal Govt. and the State Govt? Any idea how much of the Federal Budget is duplicated at the State level in the state budget? Don't know how anyone can state we don't have a spending problem
 
Conservative said:
R What is your vision as the role of the Federal Govt. and the State Govt?
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You seem to ask this alot (like every other post) so what is your vision of these roles?

BTW I plan on saving your response for future reference.
 
whysoserious said:
You are funny. Oh man. Hey, can you read that quote you posted? Here, I will do it for you:



Oh ****, are Romer and Bernstein nicknames for Obama? I didn't know! And when did the word "predicted" become a synonym for "promised"? Holy ****! Where have I been!!! Not to mention:

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So, assuming you cannot read, and I think you have made that case yourself so far, let me explain further. Obama never said this himself, however, his administration did say they believed it would cap at 8%, but they also allowed for a high margin of error. If you still do not get it, then they said this, "We think it will cap at 8%, that is what our numbers tell us, but there is room for a lot of error". Get it?



Bush does not run anything. Of course his approval rating has gone up. Need I remind you of this:

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When Bush left office he was right at or under 30% approval rating. Obama began at a 60% approval rating and has dipped a to under 50%, but has actually steadily increased over this year. Any other bull**** you want to spread around or are we done here? Yeah, links and good sources are a good thing to bring to an argument (by the way).
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Good Lord, Man, Obama Administration officials speak for the Administration and thus speak for Obama. In fact that real unemployment rate is over 16.2% but then again keep making excuses for this empty suit.

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1910208,00.html

As for the Obama approval rating, not sure what rating you are looking at but

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Obama Job Approval

Bush never had an approval rating this low during his first term so try again

Your support for Obama policies is misguided as the results don't warrant that support
 
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Conservative said:
Really? We don't have a massive spending problem? What is your vision as the role of the Federal Govt. and the State Govt? Any idea how much of the Federal Budget is duplicated at the State level in the state budget? Don't know how anyone can state we don't have a spending problem
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There's always ineffeciencies when you're talking about trillions of dollars....at the same time the majority of state and local spending goes towards education and law enforcement. The majority of spending at the federal level goes towards entitlements/Defense. I think all those things are necessary and make up a build of what I'm taxed on.
 
iliveonramen said:
There's always ineffeciencies when you're talking about trillions of dollars....at the same time the majority of state and local spending goes towards education and law enforcement. The majority of spending at the federal level goes towards entitlements/Defense. I think all those things are necessary and make up a build of what I'm taxed on.
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Except entitlements are funded by your FICA taxes not FIT. Suggest you go to the Treasury site and tell me what items there are reallly justified and needed that aren't funded at the state level. I came up with a 1.5 trillion dollar govt by eliminating duplicated expenses at the Federal level.
 
Large Majority Of Americans, Including Most Republicans, Support Raising Taxes On The Wealthy!

"As the debate about how to deal with the federal deficit heats up, two new polls show that large, bipartisan majorities of Americans support raising taxes on the wealthy, as President Obama has proposed doing.

A central piece of Obama's deficit reduction plan calls for raising taxes on annual income above $250,000. Though tax hikes are generally thought to be unpopular, both a Washington Post/ABC News poll and a McClatchy-Marist survey found that a majority of Americans supported that proposal. What's more, even a majority of Republicans in the Washington Post/ABC News poll said they favored raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans."
http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/108627-white-house-tax-plan-would-ask-more-millionaires-128.html


Even the Majority Of Wealthy Support Tax Increases On Millionaires: Poll


"For those earning $1 million or more annually, 65 percent of respondents said they would support income tax increases.

Majority Of Wealthy Support Tax Increases On Millionaires: Poll
 
Catawba said:
Large Majority Of Americans, Including Most Republicans, Support Raising Taxes On The Wealthy!

"As the debate about how to deal with the federal deficit heats up, two new polls show that large, bipartisan majorities of Americans support raising taxes on the wealthy, as President Obama has proposed doing.

A central piece of Obama's deficit reduction plan calls for raising taxes on annual income above $250,000. Though tax hikes are generally thought to be unpopular, both a Washington Post/ABC News poll and a McClatchy-Marist survey found that a majority of Americans supported that proposal. What's more, even a majority of Republicans in the Washington Post/ABC News poll said they favored raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans."
http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/108627-white-house-tax-plan-would-ask-more-millionaires-128.html


Even the Majority Of Wealthy Support Tax Increases On Millionaires: Poll


"For those earning $1 million or more annually, 65 percent of respondents said they would support income tax increases.

Majority Of Wealthy Support Tax Increases On Millionaires: Poll
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So that makes class warfare right? Again, why such passion for raising taxes on anyone during a recession and with 25 Plus million unemployed and under employed?

Interesting how many of those millionaires supporting raising taxes on them haven't sent in more than they are required. Guess spreading liberal misery equally is always the goal of a liberal.
 
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